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Can anyone with a 6020 tells us how big of a differnce the picture looks after the RGB offset change.
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Thanks D-Nice. I was successful making the changes you recommended to my 5020. This was my first attempt and I merely made the RGB offsets with out the use of a meter. I will probably buy one down the road. But the offsets alone do a nice job improving the picture, what I notice the most is the whites are brighter without losing detail. Movie mode no longer has that brownish/yellow cast.

This made me wonder what others had for their original factory settings, here are mine:

original after changes
R-H 523 510
G-H 522 522
B-H 500 549
All lows at 500

my originals are:
R-High: 515
G-High: 511
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Been enjoying my pro 151 the last couple days. One question I have is right now we have a STD dvd player hooked up through component and quite honestly the picture has been disappointing. I'm guesing that is just the short comings of STD DVD on a STD player. HD cable has been night and day better over DVD
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RGB offsets have been posted in Post #2 of this thread. Please be aware the ControlCAL is required to use these settings.

As always, enjoy

D-Nice, I made the SM RGB changes per your recs, and I did it with the room light sensor off, also per your instuctions. My questions are what does the room light sensor really do? And if I turn it on how does it affect the SM changes I made with controlcal?
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Can anyone with a 6020 tells us how big of a differnce the picture looks after the RGB offset change.

In my case it was very significant. I always thought the 6020 had a great picture out of the box, but now it has a quality that's hard to describe.

I'm not happy that Pioneer chose to make it difficult for the consumer to calibrate his own TV, but thanks to D-Nice and ControlCal, we at least have a workable solution.
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In my case it was very significant. I always thought the 6020 had a great picture out of the box, but now it has a quality that's hard to describe.

I'm not happy that Pioneer chose to make it difficult for the consumer to calibrate his own TV, but thanks to D-Nice and ControlCal, we at least have a workable solution.

Did it make the red's and the green's not has saturated??

I wonder if these settings are closer to a Elite out of the box. (before calibration)
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Did it make the red's and the green's not has saturated??

To my eyes, yes it did.

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I wonder if these settings are closer to a Elite out of the box. (before calibration)

I'm not qualified to say. I've not seen an Elite. If I were to guess, I'd say the settings make it look better than an uncalibrated Elite.
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I noticed in the service menu calibrated settings for the 5020/6020 that the film mode is not set to 'advance' but rather 'off'. I was under the impression that in order to take advantage of the 24p->72hz feature, this needed to be set to advance. Is this the case and why the change between a non calibrated and calibrated panel?
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I noticed in the service menu calibrated settings for the 5020/6020 that the film mode is not set to 'advance' but rather 'off'. I was under the impression that in order to take advantage of the 24p->72hz feature, this needed to be set to advance. Is this the case and why the change between a non calibrated and calibrated panel?

1080p/24 will still run @ 72Hz with PC set to Off.


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My questions are what does the room light sensor really do?

Adjust the brightness of the picture based on your room lighting.

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And if I turn it on how does it affect the SM changes I made with controlcal?

It doesn't affect the actual settings , however, it may affect the accuracy of the settings.


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1080p/24 will still run @ 72Hz with PC set to Off.

Thank you! Is there somewhere on this forum that describes the break-in procedure in more detail? I'm not clear on exactly how it would need to be done, if you are allowed to use the TV for regular use during it, etc. I recall you had a website with a bit more of these details but cant seem to locate it now. Thanks in advance for any info!
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D-Nice...I've been hanging around these threads for quite some time and hear you have done a review of the Pioneer 6020FD but I can't find it. Can you, or someone, provide me the URL? Thanks!
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D-Nice...I've been hanging around these threads for quite some time and hear you have done a review of the Pioneer 6020FD but I can't find it. Can you, or someone, provide me the URL? Thanks!

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Hey D-nice, first off thank you for your hard work. You can't receive enough thank you's for what you provide here. I will be getting my 151 in probably about a month and even though I saved the settings on my computer I was wondering if there was any reason you took down the D55 movie settings, and the D75 Sport settings? I understand you only had so many reserved spots and wanted to show the ISF day/night modes but I just wanted to double check and make sure those others were the same or maybe you were tweaking them or changing them or something. Once again thanks.
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I will be getting my 151 in probably about a month and even though I saved the settings on my computer I was wondering if there was any reason you took down the D55 movie settings, and the D75 Sport settings?

I also have the same question for D-Nice regarding my 111FD. I finished my 150 hour breakin some time ago and set my Kuro not only to your D65 but also to your D55 & D75 settings. I definitely see a difference viewing live sports when using your D75 settings and prefer them over the D65 settings. When I have my friends over to watch a live game they concur in this opinion.

Is there a particular reason why you removed those two settings (especially D75)?
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Is there a particular reason why you removed those two settings (especially D75)?

I took both down off the front page because I wanted consistency between the 151FDs and 111FDs and I do not have the time to maintain numerous settings for each model. Also, I never had the chance to create D55 and D75 settings for the 151s, so with those three reasons, down they went.

To speak further on the D75 settings, I personally found a more pleasing picture for sports (the original reason for D75 settings) using ISF-Day and /or Performance mode settings...the latter was posted by me last month in this thread (you will have to plow through the pages to find them).


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I took both down off the front page because I wanted consistency between the 151FDs and 111FDs and I do not have the time to maintain numerous settings for each model. Also, I never had the chance to create D55 and D75 settings for the 151s, so with those three reasons, down they went.

To speak further on the D75 settings, I personally found a more pleasing picture for sports (the original reason for D75 settings) using ISF-Day and /or Performance mode settings...the latter was posted by me last month in this thread (you will have to plow through the pages to find them).

What about love for the 151 owners on some game settings (were performance settings 111 only??). I understand if it's hard to get in, but we'd love it.

What is dead can never die. Long live my 151!
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I took both down off the front page because I wanted consistency between the 151FDs and 111FDs and I do not have the time to maintain numerous settings for each model. Also, I never had the chance to create D55 and D75 settings for the 151s, so with those three reasons, down they went.

To speak further on the D75 settings, I personally found a more pleasing picture for sports (the original reason for D75 settings) using ISF-Day and /or Performance mode settings...the latter was posted by me last month in this thread (you will have to plow through the pages to find them).

When I copied the post and saved it to my computer it was stated as being 111/151 settings. So they were really just 111 settings then and not suitable for the 151?
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When I copied the post and saved it to my computer it was stated as being 111/151 settings.

They were until it was confirmed that the majority of 60" 9G Kuros have a plus green grayscale.


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What is the configuration of your serial cable? It needs to be "straight through" (required pins are #2, 3 & 5 (Rx, Tx and Ground). Most Female-Female serial cables I have seen are made to connect one PC to another and are "Null Modem" serial cables, where pins 2 & 3 are inverted from one end to the other. This type of cable will not work to connect a PC to a Pioneer serial port.

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I had a feeling it was the cable and I thought my serial cable was 'defective' as I didn't realize that there are two types...straight through and null modem. Turbe, maybe you should include this in your MS Word doc because it never would have occurred to me until I read Dan's post!

D-Nice, I've used your ISF-night settings and added +2 clicks to the brightness (from DVE). Watching the Batman Begins now and also the Dark Knight prologue and I definitely have to say the picture looks more "textured", flesh tones look more natural. I've also taken your game mode settings... Awesome! Thanks
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1080p/24 will still run @ 72Hz with PC set to Off.

Were you able to confirm this? I've noticed a difference in judder (less when using Advance) during credit scrolling when watching Blu-rays as I switched PureCinema settings between Off and Advance.

Would like to get others' findings on this as well.


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Were you able to confirm this? I've noticed a difference in judder (less when using Advance) during credit scrolling when watching Blu-rays as I switched PureCinema settings between Off and Advance.

Would like to get others' findings on this as well.

Why in the world would they include the "advance" setting if there is no difference with it on. Just doesn't add up.


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Why in the world would they include the "advance" setting if there is no difference with it on. Just doesn't add up.

Accd to D-Nice's previous comments it appears to be mostly a difference in reliability for 24fps material:

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In almost all cases, a 1080p/24 signal will be displayed at 72Hz even if Pure Cinema is set to off. However, there are some rare cases where it will be displayed at 60Hz. To guarantee that it woks 100% of the time, keep Pure Cinema set to ADV.



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Why in the world would they include the "advance" setting if there is no difference with it on. Just doesn't add up.

advance(72hz) works with all resolutions minus 1080p it detects a film based source, if you set it to off then it only does 72hz for 24hz input.
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advance(72hz) works with all resolutions minus 1080p it detects a film based source, if you set it to off then it only does 72hz for 24hz input.

what i'm finidng tho is it doesnt always do 72Hz for 24p sources when set to off.


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what i'm finidng tho is it doesnt always do 72Hz for 24p sources when set to off.

yeah I am basing it on what D-NICE and others state, has someone verified it by changing HDMI to PC and see it the TV states 72hz?
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They were until it was confirmed that the majority of 60" 9G Kuros have a plus green grayscale.

Ahhh ok. I understand now. Thank you for your patience.
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advance(72hz) works with all resolutions minus 1080p it detects a film based source, if you set it to off then it only does 72hz for 24hz input.

Please give me an example where you've confirmed the TV is in 72hz mode while watching anything other than BD or HD-DVD. I'd really like to know.

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yeah I am basing it on what D-NICE and others state, has someone verified it by changing HDMI to PC and see it the TV states 72hz?

It'll actually say 24hz to confirm what the incoming signal is. It doesn't say that it's in 72hz display mode from the user menus.
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Please give me an example where you've confirmed the TV is in 72hz mode while watching anything other than BD or HD-DVD. I'd really like to know.



It'll actually say 24hz to confirm what the incoming signal is. It doesn't say that it's in 72hz display mode from the user menus.

1. Only example I have was a 720p DVR recording, with advance I had a weird stuttering problem during a certain panning scene. Turned if off and it went away, verified it a couple times and my wife noticed it too.

2. you are correct, got confused what it states.
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