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Sure, I think if your PC already has a serial port, you're in business. The cable I bought from MonoPrice was product ID 449. It's different than the link you had and I'm not quite sure from the description what's different about them. The only thing I'm weary of is that the description of the PID 440 doesn't say 'straight through'. It might just be that it's missing from the description and if you want the longer cable, it might be worth a call to MonoPrice.

Looks like the 440 (m/m) is good to go. Just spoke with them over a monoprice - I hinted they should update the description

Im pretty sure the port on the laptop is Female..... lol

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Looks like the 440 (m/m) is good to go. Just spoke with them over a monoprice - I hinted they should update the description

Im pretty sure the port on the laptop is Female..... lol


Good deal. I didn't catch what your TV was, but is that serial port F as well? My Pro-111FD has a male serial port.

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Good deal. I didn't catch what your TV was, but is that serial port F as well? My Pro-111FD has a male serial port.

Really? I thought they had F ports? I have a 151FD - just did a quick ubox last night and have not hooked up any of my components yet LOL

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I am all set up now for isf day/night for inputs 5,6,7 on the 151. It doesn't seem so much brighter, yet the pop factor is there. It is daytime right now, and the isf day looks the better than pure....so all is well.

It seems my issues were with a driver, and maybe a com port mismatch between the usb to serial cable, and the com port selected on control cal.

Thanks for the pointers over the last day.
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D-nice Thank you for those game settings! so between your game settings and the default game settings what is the difference?

Is it just me or i cannot tell almost any difference between game mode and pure mode.?

this is for the pioneer elite pro-111 with a xbox 360 hdmi cable

sowk their is NO code to get into service menu, ask your self if their was such code from a remote do you honestly think people would go tro trouble buying cables and installing a program when insted they could of just press buttons from a remote?

i know i wouldnt so short answer no service menu code that anyone knows of yet


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D-Nice,

Can the Kuro Elites via the normal menu / service menu get to gamma 2.5?

I am about to purchase the Pro-151.

Is ControlCal really needed to calibrate the ISF modes?

What is the codes to get into the service menu?


Also i keep hearing that D-nice made some screen shots of controlcal?

can i see those instructions? i honestly have no clue and get lost in the controlcal which is the only reason stoping me from fellowing this method.

is jeff umr the only one coming to california to do pro calibrations?

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I'm going to have my set calibrated and I obviously want to get the most for my money. One question I have is about the 3 ISF modes that can be set using ControlCal. Is there any semantic meaning to each of these modes? I assume that day and night are intended for setting reference levels for viewing during the day and night, respectively, and the names of these modes are just handy names for these settings.

If that is the case, how is "auto" mode used? Is it controlled by the light sensor in some way? How does it differ from the day and night modes?

From what others have written, I have the impression that these are all identical in nature and could just have well been labelled isf1, isf2, isf3. Is that correct?

So with what settings are people doing for these different modes? When you set them, what differences are you trying to establish between the three modes?
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I'm going to have my set calibrated and I obviously want to get the most for my money. One question I have is about the 3 ISF modes that can be set using ControlCal. Is there any semantic meaning to each of these modes? I assume that day and night are intended for setting reference levels for viewing during the day and night, respectively, and the names of these modes are just handy names for these settings.

If that is the case, how is "auto" mode used? Is it controlled by the light sensor in some way? How does it differ from the day and night modes?

From what others have written, I have the impression that these are all identical in nature and could just have well been labelled isf1, isf2, isf3. Is that correct?

So with what settings are people doing for these different modes? When you set them, what differences are you trying to establish between the three modes?

You're right, those are just labels. It may well have been less confusing to label them idf1, isf2, and isf-auto. Auto self-adjusts on the fly, like Optimum,
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Auto is day mode with sensors activated to work like optimum.
day mode is refference for normal viewing,
night mode has the slightly different settings, the gamma, and the contrast are two of them, to make the set less bright during dark. no lights viewing.

I like auto during the day, and night at night.

pure looks a lot like night.

speaking of a 151fd here.
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Auto is day mode with sensors activated to work like optimum.
day mode is refference for normal viewing,
night mode has the slightly different settings, the gamma, and the contrast are two of them, to make the set less bright during dark. no lights viewing.

I like auto during the day, and night at night.

pure looks a lot like night.

speaking of a 151fd here.

I'm glad you resolved your problem and were able to get your 151 set up. Silly question...I just used ControlCAL and I was able to enter settings for ISF-Auto, but I'm unable to select it as a viewing mode. I have the light and color sensors turned on, but there must be something else I'm forgetting to do.

**I just read a product description that said that the ISF-Auto mode was for PC Input. If that's true, that might be why I can't select it!

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Man im soooo looking forward to finally messing with my set today - or am I. It seems like such a headache with day, night, auto, optimum, performance and whatever settings there are to play with

Maybe I should enjoy the simplicty of the breakin settings and slides

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I was just going to order some additional cables from monoprice, and with the recent discussion about the proper cable for ControlCal I figure I would just ask.

my laptop has a serial port, so im guessing this cable is good to go?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

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Yep. Thats the one.

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Sure, I think if your PC already has a serial port, you're in business. The cable I bought from MonoPrice was product ID 449. It's different than the link you had and I'm not quite sure from the description what's different about them. The only thing I'm weary of is that the description of the PID 440 doesn't say 'straight through'. It might just be that it's missing from the description and if you want the longer cable, it might be worth a call to MonoPrice.

No No, the one above is Male to Male - you need a DB9 Female to DB9 Female Straight-Through Serial Cable

Check this one (I think that is the link).



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Im pretty sure the port on the laptop is Female..... lol

Serial Ports on the PC side are always Male.

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Man im soooo looking forward to finally messing with my set today - or am I. It seems like such a headache with day, night, auto, optimum, performance and whatever settings there are to play with

Maybe I should enjoy the simplicty of the breakin settings and slides

the day i got my 151 i switched mine to pure mode - used dnice's settings - and started enjoying my tv. you guys must have way more patience than me.

congrats again on the 151. having said that i think we have blown the break-in procedure way out of proportion.
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Can anyone tell me if there's a simple correlation between the Gamma (settings 1, 2, or 3) in the user menus and the Gamma points (10% - 90%) in the ISF calibration menus of the Pro-111FD?

This may have been discussed somewhere else and, if so, I'd appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks!

Unfortunately, no one has posted the Gamma Presets to 9-Point Gamma Controls conversions (I don't think anyone has taken the time to even try to figure it out)...

If you are going to use the 9-Point Gamma controls, it's best to adjust them when you are using the proper equipment (meter) and additional software (i.e CalMAN) anyways.

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Man im soooo looking forward to finally messing with my set today - or am I. It seems like such a headache with day, night, auto, optimum, performance and whatever settings there are to play with

Maybe I should enjoy the simplicty of the breakin settings and slides

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Also i keep hearing that D-nice made some screen shots of controlcal?

can i see those instructions? i honestly have no clue and get lost in the controlcal which is the only reason stoping me from fellowing this method.

is jeff umr the only one coming to california to do pro calibrations?

Here are step-by-step instructions to activate and set an ISFccc Memory.


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I was able to run ControlCAL yesterday for the first time. Although the documentation is VERY thorough, I was still a little nervous about screwing up the terrific calibration that had been done on my Pro-111FD back in November (by Kevin Miller) by doing something I shouldn't do.

No need!! The software is terrific and is super easy to use! Since I was not doing any calibration of my own, merely making a couple of small adjustments to the ISF modes, I used the steps outlined here by turbe specifically for entering settings. Worked great!

Thanks so much, turbe, for a great, easy-to-use, affordable piece of software and thanks for providing such extensive documentation (the worst part, isn't it?)!

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I am all set up now for isf day/night for inputs 5,6,7 on the 151. It doesn't seem so much brighter, yet the pop factor is there. It is daytime right now, and the isf day looks the better than pure....so all is well.

It seems my issues were with a driver, and maybe a com port mismatch between the usb to serial cable, and the com port selected on control cal.

Thanks for the pointers over the last day.




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I'm glad you resolved your problem and were able to get your 151 set up. Silly question...I just used ControlCAL and I was able to enter settings for ISF-Auto, but I'm unable to select it as a viewing mode. I have the light and color sensors turned on, but there must be something else I'm forgetting to do.

**I just read a product description that said that the ISF-Auto mode was for PC Input. If that's true, that might be why I can't select it!

isf Auto works for Video too....

Recheck your settings for that Input's isf Auto memory, make sure to pressed the SAVE Button too..

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You mean a modified version of Zoombo?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=985807

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hehe....

We'll see.. I'm about to final v1.41, need to work on next version and I have 2 new Projects..

I have to put some thought into it, but probably Zoombo would need minor modifications... not sure though, it's been a while since I looked at the source...

Do you have a list of those who would be interested?

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isf Auto works for Video too....

Recheck your settings for that Input's isf Auto memory, make sure to pressed the SAVE Button too..

Wilco! I'll try it again. Good to know it works for video as well. Thanks so much, turbe!

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hehe....

We'll see.. I'm about to final v1.41, need to work on next version and I have 2 new Projects..

I have to put some thought into it, but probably Zoombo would need minor modifications... not sure though, it's been a while since I looked at the source...

Do you have a list of those who would be interested?

EDIT: might be a fun project..

We could put one together.

If you're trying to figure out financial incentive vs time spent I can understand that. I think it would be a product enhancing feature that could last for long time. I have a few ideas. I'll email you.

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No No, the one above is Male to Male - you need a DB9 Female to DB9 Female Straight-Through Serial Cable

Check this one (I think that is the link).





Serial Ports on the PC side are always Male.

Ahh i might be confusing the connection on the laptop then. At quick glance It might just be a port to plug in an external monitor - because I am pretty sure its a female.

If thats the case, then im 90% sure my home comp has an extra serial port... will have to check for sure when i get home

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Ahh i might be confusing the connection on the laptop then. At quick glance It might just be a port to plug in an external monitor - because I am pretty sure its a female.

If thats the case, then im 90% sure my home comp has an extra serial port... will have to check for sure when i get home

If it's female, does it have 15 pins (in 3 rows)? If so, that is your external VGA Monitor Port..

The DB9 Serial Port on the PC side will have 2 rows of Pins (Male)......

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ISF Auto mode is an option in control cal that can be selected. If you don't send settings, it will not appear in the menu after your calabration/tweaks have been finished. I set up day/night for inputs 5,6,7. Then saw that only day and night were in the menu. Went back in and used all the settings from isf day for the isf auto, plus changed inteligent mode from a 0 to a 1. Then it appeared in my menu...and it is sweet!

Hint. If you go into control cal and have day mode inputs complete, and want a fast auto mode: (start control cal, and load part 2)

1 press power on
2 start calabration
3 select input
4 select day mode
5 refresh to fill the fields with the day settings
6 select auto mode (the fields will be there from the previous fill fields)
7 send all (all fields from the day settings will now be sent to auto)
7.5 select inteligent mode to 1
8 save
9 load part 1
10 select day mode
11 refresh
12 select auto mode
13 send all
14 go through gama 2 through 9 and send the -1 for each (the send all took care of gama 1
15 save
16 end cal
17 power off

If you want to quickly do another input, you can use the same way of populating fields, then selecting a different input, then send all. Only the gama 1 through 9 can not have this cut and paste type approach. Saved me a bunch of time though.

For anyone that wants to quantify the value of unlocking the isf's.

I broke in my 151 with the colours for maybe 50 hours, and watched tv for 2 weeks with this 50 hours of breakin between viewing. On day 1 I put the dnice settings in for sport for thumb drive breakin, and pure for viewing. Pure looked good right from the get go vs the original pure.

isf's with my half assed breakin is VERY GOOD. My wife can tell in an a,b test of the same show between pure, and day mode. ISF settings are brighter, more 3d, unbelieveable texture, detail. I would call it a 20% better picture....AND I am being very analytical in this 20% value. Now not all sets may react the same, but I am 100% impressed, and if I had known just how good this was going to look (like if it were a trial, and I had to pay for a full time unlock...I'd put the value that I would pay post trial at 200 dollar ish.)

for 25 bucks, plus 50 for the cables....go ahead, then be amazed that your unbelieveable tv just got 20% better. the realism is...well i am speechless.

I'll post some pictures to show the difference between pure and day.
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Thanks so much, simplemath! I appreciate you taking the time to detail this. I'm going to give it a try tomorrow.

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Unfortunately, no one has posted the Gamma Presets to 9-Point Gamma Controls conversions (I don't think anyone has taken the time to even try to figure it out)...

If you are going to use the 9-Point Gamma controls, it's best to adjust them when you are using the proper equipment (meter) and additional software (i.e CalMAN) anyways.

Okay, thanks so much, turbe. Not a big deal. I was just wondering how the gamma points in ISF modes might map to the gamma presets in something like the Standard mode. Appreciate the feedback!

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This thread is very difficult to follow...


Lets start with the basics

Using ControlCal:

On non-Elite 9G models

What are the differences between this and normal user menu settings?
What are the benefits to using ControlCal with the non-elites?


&

On Elite 9G Models

What are the differences between this and normal user menu settings?
What are the benefits to using ControlCal with the Elites?









D-Nice once my line of questioning is done you may want to add these the the first post as a mini FAQ.

I have many more questions, but I will go in order.
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Anyone here have a code for the RC64 remote that will work functions on the PDP-6020 other than the volume/mute and channel up/down buttons?

I tried most of the codes on the HR20 OSD and also the RC64 pdf manual, but none of them will work anything other than the volume and channel control. I'd like to be able to get into the menus or other functions, just like the RC64 will do on my Sony sets.

Any idea?
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This thread is very difficult to follow...


Lets start with the basics

Using ControlCal:

On non-Elite 9G models

What are the differences between this and normal user menu settings?
What are the benefits to using ControlCal with the non-elites?

controlcal allows you to tweak grayscale which you won't be able to do in the user menu. for non-elites the only thing that can be adjusted is grayscale, so controlcal basically opens up 3 more settings for you to tweak, R-High, G-High, and B-High

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On Elite 9G Models

What are the differences between this and normal user menu settings?
What are the benefits to using ControlCal with the Elites?

on the elites you will get access to change settings in the ISF-Day and ISF-Night modes.



D-Nice once my line of questioning is done you may want to add these the the first post as a mini FAQ.

I have many more questions, but I will go in order.

to be honest i dont see a reason to add these questions to the faq on the first posts. basically all the SM settings listed require controlcal to set. there already is a line of text specifying the parts that require controlcal to tweak.
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