Guys, I am as surprised as anyone on how good the panny is. I have been on this forum for a long time researching plasma tvs and am a pioneer guy (already own an elite pro 53hd). We want to move the existing elite to our downstairs rec room and replace it in our family room with a high end plasma. I had come to the conclusion that a pioneer was the way to go as money isn't really an issue for me. I wanted the best and it was going to be either the 6020 or 151. But the final decision as to which one was going to be up to my wife. The issue was the location of the speakers, on the bottom on the 6020 and the sides on the 151. So we go this high end store to see the pios and purchase a tv (we had already seen them at a local Best Buy) so we had only to make a final decision. We were ready to buy. So we walk into this store and on the left they have a big panny display with the 58 hanging on the wall. My wife says what are those and we go look at them but I tell her that we are here to make a deal on a pioneer. A salesman comes up to us and tells me that the pios are in a special room and we go there. What we find in this darkened room is a 6020, a 151 and a 58pz800u right next to each other showing the same content. We spend the next 2 1/2 hours comparing them all. We had the remotes so we could go through the menus and make some of the changes I have read about on this forum. We had the salesman go from br to hd cable to sd. We saw movies, a baseball game and various tv shows. We look for flicker on the br movies but don't see any. At the conclusion of all this she turns to me and says she wants the panny and I had to agree with her. It's not just the money since that wasn't the issue. The panny is an awesome flat panel. The panny, when compared to the pios is in some ways even better (brighter whites). It may not have the deep blacks of the pios, but we couldn't detect that much of a difference. Especially not the grand difference that the 6020 would have been (or two in the case of the 151). The bottom line is that we went in to buy a pioneer and walked out with the panny. Are the pios better, maybe, but if better, only marginally so. It is our belief that anyone considering a pioneer should also look at the panny.