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post #181 of 6178 Old 08-27-2008, 06:13 AM
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We are in the middle of a remodel job and we took down our drapes and curtains in the den for the time being. We have a whole wall of south facing windows and I live at altitude in the desert southwest (read brightest sun you will ever see) The THX mode in bright daylight looks a little dull. You may have to switch to another mode during the day in a bright room. At night however this is when THX mode shines. Perfect color and contrast at the touch of a button.

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If you are in fact comparing it to the 950, how does the thx-mode panasonic do regarding brightness, contrast in daylight with ambient light, or anti-reflective screen capabilities (I understand the 950 is not a matte finish)?

Thanks for any info you can provide. It seems nobody has a comparison review of the 950 that I can find, but I'm inclined to go with the panasonic.

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wow I am an idiot...I have been posting pics in here of my tv, but I never eve looked at the title. I didn't realize that this was just the 58" thread...wow
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&skuId=8955455

Click on the more images link.

Awesome. Thanks. I just wanted to see if it had a hump on the bottom like the 700(I think) has. Glad it doesn't.

Ordered mine yesterday from Chris.
Can't wait! So psyched......
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just hit format on your remote to zoom it in. I would stick to zoom for the first 120 hours of use then you can view it with the black bars after that

just curious, why would it be ok after the first ~120 hours?
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Also, I have a Peerless SF660 Flat Wall Mount that I used for my 5010 Kuro. Is this wall mount fine for the 58PZ800U?

The mount will work <<< Click here >>> however you will need longer bolts with the spacers to make the mount work. Did you keep the bolt pack with the mount?

If you were buying a mount I would sugest this one <<< Click here >>> , but since you have this one i would work with it.

Side note to all... Panasonic TH-65PZ850U have hit the streets
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just curious, why would it be ok after the first ~120 hours?

Basically the phosphors have warmed up enough where you will not get any uneven breaking in on the screen, if you just watched letterbox images in the early hours you will have the part where the movie is being display being broken in while the black bars will not. This would cause you to see a slight difference between where the bars where and where the movie was. You can watch letter box, just be careful with it.
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Is the break in disk recommended on this set? And for how long?
Settings during break in?
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can someone take a picture of the side of the set please? I want to see the back of the panel and the profile pic
Many thx

The sides have nothing on them and the back panel looks exactly like the drawing in the owner's manual. What specifically are you interested in?
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Also, for right now I plan on using the base, however I will want to wall mount it eventually. I want the lowest profile mount that will not be hindered by the cables. In talking with CHris, he suggests the Sanus which has the tilt and flat mount arms. What I may do is get that put the tilt arms on first, work out all the kinks by getting all my components and everything set up and working properly, then change to the low profile non tilt arms. I imagine this is one of the reasons Sanus includes both.
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The sides have nothing on them and the back panel looks exactly like the drawing in the owner's manual. What specifically are you interested in?

I haven't seen the owners manual. What I am trying to figure out is if there is a "hump" or "bubble" that sticks out on the bottom oon the back of the set. Some wall mounts do not work with certain plasmas. I read on some review of a mount that said the literature said was compatible with Panasonic, however his installers could not get it to work due to the "hump". I just wanted to see the profile pic to make sure the back of the set is indeed flat is all.
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I haven't seen the owners manual. What I am trying to figure out is if there is a "hump" or "bubble" that sticks out on the bottom oon the back of the set. Some wall mounts do not work with certain plasmas. I read on some review of a mount that said the literature said was compatible with Panasonic, however his installers could not get it to work due to the "hump". I just wanted to see the profile pic to make sure the back of the set is indeed flat is all.

The back is rounded at the top/sides then flat. However, the section with the input jacks is recessed in about an inch from the back. So, no hump sticking out anywhere on the back. I think they were thinking about your wall mount challenges when the set was designed.
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The mount will work <<< Click here >>> however you will need longer bolts with the spacers to make the mount work. Did you keep the bolt pack with the mount?

If you were buying a mount I would sugest this one <<< Click here >>> , but since you have this one i would work with it.

Side note to all... Panasonic TH-65PZ850U have hit the streets

Chris,
Looking at the product specs, the width is 27". It appears like it expands. Can you confirm how this works to mount on 3 studs. May sound like a stupid question but I hate to assume anything.

Product Information
Model Code: VMPL3
List Price: $ 249.99
UPC Codes: VMPL3b - 793795360588 - Black
VMPL3s - 793795360595 - Silver
Product Specifications
Product Width: 27" / 68.58 cm
Product Height: 17" / 43.18 cm
Product Depth: 2.5" / 6.35 cm
Package Specifications
Package Width: 28.25" / 71.76 cm
Package Height: 3.75" / 9.53 cm
Package Depth: 9.5" / 24.13 cm
Package Weight: 26 lbs / 11.79 kg
Product Type Specifications
TV Size Range 27" - 84" / 68.58 - 213.36 cm
Maximum TV Weight 280 lb / 127.01 kg
Mounting Pattern Universal
Tilt Range +6 / -12
Swivel +0 / -0
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Just ordered my new 65" TH-65PZ850U from Chris (Dale actually took the order!) They are a reality! I'm sure Chris will be starting a thread pretty soon- they just got them a couple of hours ago.
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Is there any reason to wait for the 58" TH-58PZ850U instead of getting the 58" TH-58PZ800U. I am looking to get a tv in the next few weeks, I have seen the 800U at a couple of sites but haven't seen the 850U anywhere.

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Is there any reason to wait for the 58" TH-58PZ850U instead of getting the 58" TH-58PZ800U. I am looking to get a tv in the next few weeks, I have seen the 800U at a couple of sites but haven't seen the 850U anywhere.

I looked at both and decided there wasn't anything extra offered on the 850U that I needed. The most important thing I wanted was a nicely calibrated picture and THX mode delivers that on the 800U.
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I looked at both and decided there wasn't anything extra offered on the 850U that I needed. The most important thing I wanted was a nicely calibrated picture and THX mode delivers that on the 800U.

I would get the 800U, too. When Cnet reviewed the new 50 inch HDTVs it ranked the 50 inch version of the 800U number 1, primarily because of the remarkably accurate colors provided by its THX mode:

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/

EDIT: Note that the Cnet reviewer ranked the 50 inch 850U only number 3 because its color accuracy was inferior to that of the 800U, thanks to the 800U's THX certification.
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I looked at both and decided there wasn't anything extra offered on the 850U that I needed. The most important thing I wanted was a nicely calibrated picture and THX mode delivers that on the 800U.

Thanks. Just looking at Amazon.com the differences are Gradation/H.264/Digital Cinema/Studio Reference/Pro Setting/Serial Port. Most of that stuff I have no clue what it is anyhow, and if by saying H.264 they are referring to streaming HD videos then I would rather do that through a media extender, not a tv. I have no clue what the price difference is between the 800 and 850model as I have not even seen the 850 model available anywhere, but I think I agree with your take. So I take it you are happy with your tv???

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&skuId=8955455

Click on the more images link.

Am I the only one having issues with this link?
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Am I the only one having issues with this link?

Does not work for me.
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Does not work for me.

Maybe you should reverse the first 2 words Kidding, it doesn't work for me.
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Thanks. Just looking at Amazon.com the differences are Gradation/H.264/Digital Cinema/Studio Reference/Pro Setting/Serial Port. Most of that stuff I have no clue what it is anyhow, and if by saying H.264 they are referring to streaming HD videos then I would rather do that through a media extender, not a tv. I have no clue what the price difference is between the 800 and 850model as I have not even seen the 850 model available anywhere, but I think I agree with your take. So I take it you are happy with your tv???

Very happy with it. The color rendition is just about perfect. I'm sure the picture could be tweaked to get a bit more out of it, but really, I bought the 800U with THX mode so I'd be happy with it and wouldn't get the bug to get it ISF calibrated like the TV it replaced. At this point, I see no need to even contemplate getting it calibrated. It's gorgeous. Now....I see the need to get my Sony LCD TV in the family room calibrated!
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Thanks. Just looking at Amazon.com the differences are Gradation/H.264/Digital Cinema/Studio Reference/Pro Setting/Serial Port. Most of that stuff I have no clue what it is anyhow, and if by saying H.264 they are referring to streaming HD videos then I would rather do that through a media extender, not a tv. I have no clue what the price difference is between the 800 and 850model as I have not even seen the 850 model available anywhere, but I think I agree with your take. So I take it you are happy with your tv???

I should have added that you do get more controls and the ability to tweak the picture on your own with the 850U, but given THX mode on the 800U does such a beautiful job with one simple menu selection, why spend the extra money for tweaking you probably won't need?

The one caveat on all of this is the amount of ambient light in your room. Based on what folks are saying here and in the 42/46/50800U thread, if you have a room with lots of windows and sun light, you might want the ability to tweak the picture up for the bright environment. My TV is in my basement home theater where I can easily control ambient light. I bought an LCD TV for my family room specifically because of all the sun light and light reflections (even with lamps during the evening) the room has due to where the TV is positioned.
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I really appreciate the response, it definitely helps me out in my decision. I am not really a fan of doing too much tweaking, and I think the other main difference is that with the 850 you get viera cast. That is not important for me as I can just use my media extenders. Looks like the 800U it is!!!

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does this set have the 24p flicker cnet talks of?
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I would get the 800U, too. When Cnet reviewed the new 50 inch HDTVs it ranked the 50 inch version of the 800U number 1, primarily because of the remarkably accurate colors provided by its THX mode:

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/

EDIT: Note that the Cnet reviewer ranked the 50 inch 850U only number 3 because its color accuracy was inferior to that of the 800U, thanks to the 800U's THX certification.

I too have been trying to decide between the 800U and 850U so I've read everything I could find on the subject, here are three great links:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post14205983

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...ws;summaryList

http://hdguru.com/panasonic-th-50pz8...st-review/249/

I'm leaning towards the 850U after reading these. Oh, and look at what the only model the TH-65PZ850U is available in, no 800U.
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Thanks for the links Zyphyros, some stuff there I hadn't seen. I have been kinda confused why the 800 would be preferred over the 850. Seems the only advantage of the 800 is a preset group of settings, THX, that give it a better look out of the box. I would imagine with the additional pro settings on the 850 you could get the THX like picture if you wanted to and had the ability. Not to knock anyone who has chosen the 800, if it was available in a 65 I would have a tough decision also. I was just starting to think there was something wrong with the 850 I should know about before I commit to the 65.
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Thanks for the links Zyphyros, some stuff there I hadn't seen. I have been kinda confused why the 800 would be preferred over the 850. Seems the only advantage of the 800 is a preset group of settings, THX, that give it a better look out of the box. I would imagine with the additional pro settings on the 850 you could get the THX like picture if you wanted to and had the ability. Not to knock anyone who has chosen the 800, if it was available in a 65 I would have a tough decision also. I was just starting to think there was something wrong with the 850 I should know about before I commit to the 65.

Several posts I read said they liked the 850U "Pro Setting" in place of the THX setting on the 800U. In one of the reviews, cnet or hdguru I think, they tried to calibrate the 850U to get close to the 800U, but did not get exact, but of course since the 850U has 120% of the color gamut of the 800U.

( credit http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9891317-1.html )
Panasonic TH-PZ850U series
Although it's the most expensive series of Panasonic plasmas announced so far in 2008, the TH-PZ850U lacks the THX Display certification of its step-down 800U brothers. Instead it adds Digital Cinema Color, which increases the color gamut to 120% of the HDTV color space. The company claims that the wider gamut makes the colors appear closer to digital cinema
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I would like to have the option of the 800u and a THX setting. I'm watching a 65 right now and when I mount the plasma on the wall I will end up 2' further away so I can't see going any smaller. I guess having less options makes my decision a little easier though.
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I'm seriously thinking about this tv. I currently have the Kuro 5010 which is a fantastic set, but seems a bit small for me now. I want the 6020, but damn the 58PZ800U is cheaper than what I paid for my 5010, and i've seen it in action, and it certainly holds it's own against the 6020. Being a guy with two kuros, I went in biased and was shocked at the quality of this panny set, so much so that it is a serious contender. What a wonderful set. I am now questioning if the price of admission for the 6020 is worth it. The price difference is obscene. Decisions, decisions!

Also, I have a Peerless SF660 Flat Wall Mount that I used for my 5010 Kuro. Is this wall mount fine for the 58PZ800U?



Wow btf ...you may have just posted a 'collectors edition' post here ....... I think this is the first time i've seen a Kuro owner (owns TWO no less) that has bestowed such high praise on the Panny 800 My comment is all in fun here, of course. Not trying to stir the pot between Pio / Panny owners. But I personally do find it rather refreshing (and encouraging) that another shares my personal sentiments about the 800 series Pannys. Yeah, overall I feel the Pio produces the best picture i've seen to date, however, I think the Panny, is VERY - VERY good and certainly deserves all the acculades that it has garnered from the professional reviews so far! I've spent a lot of time lately auditioning the Elite 111, fantastic set! I've also spent considerable time with the 50pz800 and while not quite to the level of the Elite ... the Panny (to my eyes) delivers a HUGE slice of the pie.
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