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I celebrated my 1 year anniversary my 141 today drinking a case of Becks. The actual day was the 25th, but I was out of town. I believe I was the first in canada to have one.

I have watched 2643 hours on it over the last year.
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Hey all, since ROMAN O dropped out the last couple of weeks as I was trying to place an order, I'm now trying to find another provider of the 141. Please PM with suggestions. I'm in LA LA land here in Cali (as long as the wildfires don't wipe us out). Thanks!

Hoping to join the brotherhood (no offense to the ladies).
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Hey all, since ROMAN O dropped out the last couple of weeks as I was trying to place an order, I'm now trying to find another provider of the 141.

Have you tried Cleveland Plasma at the top of each page?

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Will do in the morn. Thanks. ht - you look familiar. Way back to the Samsumg "M" series DLPs if I recall. Those were the days.
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Will do in the morn. Thanks. ht - you look familiar. Way back to the Samsumg "M" series DLPs if I recall. Those were the days.


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Hey all, since ROMAN O dropped out the last couple of weeks as I was trying to place an order, I'm now trying to find another provider of the 141. Please PM with suggestions. I'm in LA LA land here in Cali (as long as the wildfires don't wipe us out). Thanks!

Try John Marty @ Axxis Audio. I just bought a 141 last Friday and it is on its way from Colorado. When I first called he didn't think they had any in stock, but he checked and was surprised to find out they had some. He didn't say how many, but the impression I got was that it was definitely more than one.

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fianlly I'm an owner of a pro-101fd...
no cracks
but I have a question....I can see on each side a series of kind of dot...this looks like the beggining and ending of the pixels matrix or something...is itnormal that it's not hidden by the frame??? the picture kind of stop there (can't see this thing on the top and bottom)

+ mine is apr 2009 (i remeber d-nice said something abouth manufacturing dates)
somethign wrong with this date...something to watch???

My 101 does not have it. But my friend's 111 has it. Interesting. Experts?
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thanks for your reply theaterlover....someone else...experts yeah????
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My 141 has that. No worries. It's just the lands at the end of the pixel map. You may also be able to see three triangles on the sides. All of this is outside the pixel map and will not affect viewing.

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fianlly I'm an owner of a pro-101fd...
no cracks
but I have a question....I can see on each side a series of kind of dot...this looks like the beggining and ending of the pixels matrix or something...is itnormal that it's not hidden by the frame??? the picture kind of stop there (can't see this thing on the top and bottom)

+ mine is apr 2009 (i remeber d-nice said something abouth manufacturing dates)
somethign wrong with this date...something to watch???

My 101 also has the same thing.
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Does the Pioneer Elite 141 moniter support 16 bit dig. video processing? I ask because the Pioneer Elite Blue Ray 09 upsamples the video from 8bit to 16 bit
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Does the Pioneer Elite 141 moniter support 16 bit dig. video processing? I ask because the Pioneer Elite Blue Ray 09 upsamples the video from 8bit to 16 bit

No, the 141FD will accept 36-bit Deep Color but I believe the panel is still 30-bit. I don't think upsampling quite conveys the nature of greater than 24-bit processing.


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well thanks hd-av and stevec325 for the replies...

this is what I though but just wanted to make sure
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well thanks hd-av and stevec325 for the replies...

this is what I though but just wanted to make sure

Although, I thought it's probably normal but not 100% sure, so I was glad that you posted the question.
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This is a bit of a cross-post, but I just released a free software application - KuroReader - for the KRP's, 101FD, and 141FD. If you are interested, please click on the link in my signature to view the thread.

If you have any questions or comments about KuroReader which might be considered off-topic in this thread, please post them in the KuroReader thread instead.


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I actually purchased the panel in late July, but asked them to keep it in the warehouse. I've been looking to change the audio/video in a multi-purpose room, and it's taking longer to absorb the 2009 world of audio/video than I anticipated.

So, I had them deliver the panel today and mount it on the wall. There were no dead pixels and no blotches and no buzzing (I've been lurking for about 2 years...), so I guess I'm good. The build date was April 2009. Call me crazy, but I think the picture is better than the November 1993 build of the Mitsubishi 35" CRT it is replacing.

It looked good out of the box. Haven't read the manual or looked at the various settings recommended here as yet, but it's not bad as is. Even the wife seems to be smiling ear to ear, much to my surprise!

The new amp and blu-ray player are in (and sitting boxed in the corner by the piano) as is the ideal-lume lighting. Still waiting on the AVP, subwoofers, speakers and acoustical treatments. Hope to get everything calibrated before Christmas.

Thanks for the wealth of info here. Proud to be a Signature 141FD owner!

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I have a Pioneer Elite monitor 141fd and I just installed a new blue ray Pioneer Elite 09fd.
My question is as follows: I played two blue ray dvds last night. One was top gun and the other was a James Bonds movies both had the black borders top and bottom. How do I remove the borders?
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How do I remove the borders?

You can't without removing part of or distorting the image. In a movie theatre they can "change" the size of the screen to using curtains. Likewise if you have a projector at home -- otherwise turn down the room lights, install a bias lamp and enjoy the show.


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I have a Pioneer Elite monitor 141fd and I just installed a new blue ray Pioneer Elite 09fd.
My question is as follows: I played two blue ray dvds last night. One was top gun and the other was a James Bonds movies both had the black borders top and bottom. How do I remove the borders?


Unfortunately, you are stuck with having to watch letterbox with these borders- just make sure that you watch 3- 1.78:1 movies after each letterbox movie that you watch to avoid image retention! Believe me it really bothers me too- underutilizing the full screen of my 141fd. I literally try and find everything I can that will fill up the screen and then only watch select letterbox movies with my kuro! I ended up buying an RGB LED LCD for watching the majority of letter box movies that come out and just use the kuro for "special" viewing times!

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I have a Pioneer Elite monitor 141fd and I just installed a new blue ray Pioneer Elite 09fd.
My question is as follows: I played two blue ray dvds last night. One was top gun and the other was a James Bonds movies both had the black borders top and bottom. How do I remove the borders?

Return the 09fd and replace it with an Oppo BDP-83. Then use the zoom mode to fill the panel.

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just make sure that you watch 3- 1.78:1 movies after each letterbox movie that you watch to avoid image retention!

Are you making a joke?


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Joke or not..you certainly dont need to follow that advice.
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Does the literature that came with your 141fd not recommend filling the screen with an active image for 3 times the amount of time that you had letterbox or 4:3 image being displayed? I've just been following what I thought to be Pioneer's recommendation for prevention of image retention with regards to images that don't fill the entire screen. After reading the entire manual of Operating Instructions I found this information to be in section 8.3 under Cautions and Warnings: Usage Guidelines: See for yourself.

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Parrish is right. It is in the Pioneer manual. That being said, a properly calibrated 141 is much, much less sensitive to image retention. I was talking to someone from Pioneer Canada about this a few months ago. He only watches blu-rays and he has not seen any image retention and his set is properly calibrated.
I also believe silly sally only watches blu-rays and his set is properly calibrated as well.
Turning the contrast/brightness down to "theater-like" settings will significantly reduce the chances of burn in.
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Does the literature that came with your 141fd not recommend filling the screen with an active image for 3 times the amount of time that you had letterbox or 4:3 image being displayed?

No, of course I don't have a 141 but my KRP manual says:

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View full-motion, high-action video in WIDE or FULL screen after playing a game or showing a still/PC image. The recommended duration for showing the action video is three times as long as the game or PC image was on the screen.

My manual says use dynamic side-masks to deal with 4:3 which makes sense. The rest of it is clearly nonsense.


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No, of course I don't have a 141 but my KRP manual says:



My manual says use dynamic side-masks to deal with 4:3 which makes sense. The rest of it is clearly nonsense.

So are you implying that if a guy watches nothing but letterbox movies everyday, that he will never reach the point where there is uneven wear between the middle and top and bottom of the screen? It seems logical to me that by making every third or fourth movie that you watch on the kuro a letterbox movie, you will be maintaining even wear and thus never have to worry about this problem sneaking up on you! Why else would they include this recommendation in the operating manual of the Signature Elite Kuro 141fd Monitor! By all means consider me as obsessive, but I really don't have any difficulty following this regimen and I highly recommend it for those who would like to make their kuros last as long as possible!

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Why else would they include this recommendation in the operating manual of the Signature Elite Kuro 141fd Monitor!

We have the same Ch. 8. It says:

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View full-motion video in WIDE or FULL screen after playing content with side, top, or bottom masking (black bars). Extensive viewing of masked content without this recovery process can cause uneven wear on the
plasma cells.

There's nothing about a ratio nor is extensive defined. You should certainly do what makes you happy but your orginal assertion is incorrect.

Why is the boilerplate in the manual? So Pioneer can attempt to avoid replacing panels that are abused or genuinely defective.


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Even though it's been stated that using the break in disc is primarily for following up with D-Nice's settings - I have found (this is my 3rd Elite panel) it also is a great way to get 150-200 hours of even wear & tear on the panel. That, IMHO, helps significantly keeping the IR devil away. Since the first hours on new phosphors are most critical, I'd suggest keeping every pixel lit, with NO logo's or black bars during hours 0 through 300. Overkill? Maybe...

But, I now have almost 1000 hours on my 141, using calibrated ISF-Night, with not a hint of IR. I watch 2.40:1 aspect films indiscriminately. Every 100, or so hours I also run the wipe a couple times.

I never even think about IR... except when a pure white, full screen comes up... and there is not a trace of anything but perfect white

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So are you implying that if a guy watches nothing but letterbox movies everyday, that he will never reach the point where there is uneven wear between the middle and top and bottom of the screen? It seems logical to me that by making every third or fourth movie that you watch on the kuro a letterbox movie, you will be maintaining even wear and thus never have to worry about this problem sneaking up on you! Why else would they include this recommendation in the operating manual of the Signature Elite Kuro 141fd Monitor! By all means consider me as obsessive, but I really don't have any difficulty following this regimen and I highly recommend it for those who would like to make their kuros last as long as possible!

Ever since I finished the 200 hour break in period I have not paid any attention to the type of content displayed. This is coming from someone who games sometimes 4+ hours at a time, watchings hours of movies with black bars etc. I have never noticed any sign. IMO watch and do you what want without any worry.
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