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Old 10-08-2008, 02:52 PM - Thread Starter
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Well is there any way i can fix burn in that hasnt went away with the image cleaner function while running it for 8 hours. Its not very bright but its just that i bought this tv as a display and it seems to have burn in from one of the dvd menus that stayed on the screen for who knows how long. YOu cant see the burn in at all when you are watching regular tv unless a white screen comes up then you can sorta see it. What can i do to try and remove it? It there a video i can download and load onto my ps3 and run in a loop overnight or something. I dont wanna have to burn a cd or dvd or hook my tv up to my pc because i dont have the right connections. So what could i do that is free? Thanks

btw its the vizio vp422
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Well is there any way i can fix burn in that hasnt went away with the image cleaner function while running it for 8 hours. Its not very bright but its just that i bought this tv as a display and it seems to have burn in from one of the dvd menus that stayed on the screen for who knows how long. YOu cant see the burn in at all when you are watching regular tv unless a white screen comes up then you can sorta see it. What can i do to try and remove it? It there a video i can download and load onto my ps3 and run in a loop overnight or something. I dont wanna have to burn a cd or dvd or hook my tv up to my pc because i dont have the right connections. So what could i do that is free? Thanks

btw its the vizio vp422

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how much is the screen burn in removal dvd?
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how much is the screen burn in removal dvd?

I don't think there is any such thing as a Burn-In Removal DVD. The best thing i think you can do is just leave an HD channel on for several days (something that's always full screen like HDNet) and see if that washes away the Burn-In. Can you return the TV?

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if it's really "burned in" (which it sounds like), you are basically sol...

image retention will "wash out" easily.... burn-in, not so easy.... i suppose you could try randy's suggestion, but it might kill the tv entirely...

bring it back...

imo, given vizio's woeful breakdown rate (and inability to get parts), buying a demo vizio is asking for trouble anyway...

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It may very well fade over time.
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If it is in fact true Burn-in then its there to stay.

But it may just be heavy image retention.

How long did the DVD menu stay on the screen?

How long have you had the TV?? (is it still in its first 150-200 hrs?)

Does this TV have any type of anti-burn-in features (ex.orbitor/pixel shifter)???
If so, were you using it???

I would reccommend doing what Randy stated.
Put it on an HD channell that fills the entire screen, turn the contrast up a little and let it play non-stop for a long time.

Or you could run JScreenfix ( www.jscreenfix.com ) for a good while.

The good thing is that you can't see it during normal TV. So thats very good.
If its just heavy IR then it will go away after a while.

Keep me posted on what you are doing and what the outcome turns out to be.
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If it is in fact true Burn-in then its there to stay.

But it may just be heavy image retention.

How long did the DVD menu stay on the screen?

How long have you had the TV?? (is it still in its first 150-200 hrs?)

Does this TV have any type of anti-burn-in features (ex.orbitor/pixel shifter)???
If so, were you using it???

I would reccommend doing what Randy stated.
Put it on an HD channell that fills the entire screen, turn the contrast up a little and let it play non-stop for a long time.

Or you could run JScreenfix ( www.jscreenfix.com ) for a good while.

The good thing is that you can't see it during normal TV. So thats very good.
If its just heavy IR then it will go away after a while.

Keep me posted on what you are doing and what the outcome turns out to be.


Well chad. it was a display model vizio (ino ino)at walmart that i asked to buy for 30% off. Sp o, not really positive how long the menu screen was on the screen for, i also dont know how long they had this tv on for so im not sure how many hours the screen has. How would I go by finding out if it was burn in or just IR?
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...How long did the DVD menu stay on the screen?...

From someone with little to no experience in this matter, asking one who seems to have more experience:

How long would it take a static image to produce true burn in with pixel orbiters on and standard(non torch) settings?

Just asking for an experienced guesstimate time range? Thanks.
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So much for all the guys on this forum that say that burn-in is no longer an issue on plasmas
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So much for all the guys on this forum that say that burn-in is no longer an issue on plasmas

I still say its not an issue.
Maybe on floor models that may have been abused.
But for newer sets that have anti-burn-in features and are not flat out abused, I say its not an issue at all.
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I still say its not an issue.
Maybe on floor models that may have been abused.
But for newer sets that have anti-burn-in features and are not flat out abused, I say its not an issue at all.

So this original poster of this thread and all the other burn-in posts on this board are figments of our imagination. Yeah, and the moon landings never happened either.
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So this original poster of this thread and all the other burn-in posts on this board are figments of our imagination. Yeah, and the moon landings never happened either.

your right. It didnt
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So this original poster of this thread and all the other burn-in posts on this board are figments of our imagination. Yeah, and the moon landings never happened either.

go back and read my post before making statements like that.

I'de say that if you think a couple AVS members buying floor models that could have been heavily abused without checking them for burn-in a reason to say "Burn-in is an issue with Plasmas" then you are the one with figments in your imagination.

I didn't say its was not possible, It is.
Just like it is possible on CRT and LCD if abused.
If something is a result of abuse should it be considered an issue??
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Those that haven't purchased floor models have also complained about burn-in. See those posts here all the time
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He said it had burn-in when he bought it. Who knows how long it could have sat in store with a menu up on the screen. Not surprised if it is burn-in, but at least it's not very visable. Enjoy the set and just don't concentrate so much on looking for the burn-in, ignore it and maybe it will go away with time. You get what you pay for and the 30% off was a discount for burn-in I suppose.
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Those that haven't purchased floor models have also complained about burn-in. See those posts here all the time

I don't.

Most of the burn-in complaints/threads are actually IR and goes away.

Until today I had never heard of a Kuro with actual Burn-in.
So thats only 1 case.
And this case was someone that bought an 8G Kuro floor model from a store that had been showing the same station logo for 6 months with the burn-in prevention feature (Orbitor) turned off.
In my opinion, that is total abuse and is simply asking for burn-in.
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It may disappear also, a local shop has a Pioneer 7th gen with screenburn, it was quite noticeable about 6 months ago with a large bar burnt in the bottom, it's been on every day during work hours and it's almost gone, to the point now that it's not noticeable.

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So much for all the guys on this forum that say that burn-in is no longer an issue on plasmas

I'll sum it up for you, static logos or menues displayed 24/7 over months at a time, can and sometimes do result in burn in. Now the good news, people don't use their displays in there home to disply the same screen for thousands of hours at a time. A smart guy like you should be able to figure that out, but if the idea of burn in really bothers you have other options.
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Someone has reported screenburn on a Pioneer for 10 hour gaming sessions, with orbiter off. So the myth that new plasmas are impossible get screenburn isn't true. However if you use dynamic and play games for hours like that it's bound to happen. Orbiter won't stop a fixed area being burnt in either.

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I'll sum it up for you, static logos or menues displayed 24/7 over months at a time, can and sometimes do result in burn in. Now the good news, people don't use their displays in there home to disply the same screen for thousands of hours at a time. A smart guy like you should be able to figure that out, but if the idea of burn in really bothers you have other options.

Burn in doesn't affect me as I stretch 4:3 content and am not a gamer. But it is an issue which is why there is a master burn-in thread, manufacturer's warnings in the user manual and numerous complaints on this forum. A smart guy like you should be able to figure that out.
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Burn in doesn't affect me as I stretch 4:3 content and am not a gamer. But it is an issue which is why there is a master burn-in thread, manufacturer's warnings in the user manual and numerous complaints on this forum. A smart guy like you should be able to figure that out.

If you really wanted to make a pitch for plasma burn in, you sure picked a poor thread to use as an example.

I wouldn't want a display model of any product from Wal-Mart. Leaving a display sitting on a DVD menu for days and days, which is pretty likely at such a store? Seriously that's not a very strong example to cling to.

My perspective is kind of funny on this. I took a long AVS break, maybe close to a year. I come back and a handful of people are still trying to grind on the same exact stuff.
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So much for all the guys on this forum that say that burn-in is no longer an issue on plasmas

Maybe you should tone it down a little.

Burn-in is an issue with CRT and LCDs, too...if they are abused.

With reasonable use, you don't have to worry about "burn in" on modern plasmas.

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I'm going to capitulate and start using the term "burn-in" to describe all types of residual images on plasma. I do this because it seems everyone else is doing it and this way it may be easier to understand.

If you have "burn-in" there are three types and three solutions.

Type 1 - residual wall charge - solution: display full screen material for a few minutes to a few hours

Type 2 - MgO sputtering - solution: display a full white screen for many hours (24 - 100hours)

Type 3 - uneven phosphor aging - solution: buy a new TV


Now here is the most important point : All three types can look the same (some minor differences). On the other hand, the time required for each type of burn in to happen is not the same. Type 1 will happen before Type 2 and Type 2 will happen long before Type 3. So if you notice "burn-in" don't panic and jump to solution #3.

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So much for all the guys on this forum that say that burn-in is no longer an issue on plasmas

Not to be callus to the OP, but it is in fact a Vizio in a Walmart, where the staff isn't exactly the upmost of knowledgable. It wouldn't surprise me if the set were left with a static image for over 12hrs.

You don't see anyone drawing comparisons of Tier 1 LCD's to the likes of Dynex or Insignia do you?
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Those who have purchased new sets and do get burn in is a result of abuse.

I do not possibly see how one can possibly have burn in on a brand new set if SIMPLE precautions are taken.

TV's are not like they used to be. Remember those tubes? Plasmas are more complex with more available functions and with newer technologies. New plasma TV's are better in prevention than the plasmas from a few years back, however to mention that it can not happen at all needs to be broken down just a little. Burn in can happen with new Plasmas too, if the user is constantly watching CNN (most famous static logo), or playing COD4 (HUD) or leaves the image of the DVD player on for a couple of hours on end (because he or she dozed off in front of the TV...most common line ) well then what did they expect?

Those are the ones who were misinformed about burn in to begin with or did not take it too seriously and only found out after the fact (a little google search) IMO.

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Burn in doesn't affect me as I stretch 4:3 content and am not a gamer. But it is an issue which is why there is a master burn-in thread, manufacturer's warnings in the user manual and numerous complaints on this forum. A smart guy like you should be able to figure that out.

Again, the master burn in thread is more about people asking what procedures to take with a new plasma.

Should I start quoting people with burn in in the LCD forum? Because I sure have seen a few.
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Those who have purchased new sets and do get burn in is a result of abuse.

I do not possibly see how one can possibly have burn in on a brand new set if SIMPLE precautions are taken.

TV's are not like they used to be. Remember those tubes? Plasmas are more complex with more available functions and with newer technologies. New plasma TV's are better in prevention than the plasmas from a few years back, however to mention that it can not happen at all needs to be broken down just a little. Burn in can happen with new Plasmas too, if the user is constantly watching CNN, or playing COD4, or leaves the image of the DVD player on for a couple of hours on end (because he or she dozed off in front of the TV...most common line) well then what did they expect?

Those are the ones who were misinformed about burn in to begin with or did not take it too seriously and only found out after the fact (a little google search) IMO.


Agreed.

With that being said, I have left a static image on my sets for 8hrs at times (fell asleep during a movie), only to wake up and switch to cable, and see the IR disappear. Funny thing is, this was only one time, on a panel with roughly 180 hrs on it. My other plasma has never shown a hint of IR, which has well over 3000hrs on it.

Granted, I do have two Kuros, which from what I have read, are probably one of the better sets in this regard. How much better? Marginally, which says a lot about how good other well regarded manufacturers are with this.
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My perspective is kind of funny on this. I took a long AVS break, maybe close to a year. I come back and a handful of people are still trying to grind on the same exact stuff.

i did too, and i found upon my return that i liked it a lot better if i didn't feed certain trolls and just ignored them...

point 1: the display in question is a substandard set, at best.
point 2: it sat there as a demo for heaven knows how long, probably running the exact same logo 24/7.
point 3: point 2 would qualify as "abuse".

as said in first response to the op... take it back... number 1, you really didn't get all that great of a deal, and number 2, i wouldn't stake my life on it getting any better... you may do what you like, of course...

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