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Check out how thin it is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFJNhHiF6Z8&NR=1


I said wow....


EDIT: That side shot was of the 65 inch panel, BTW
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here is another vid of the 65 incher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4__ze6S-SM
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here is another vid of the 65 incher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4__ze6S-SM

Nice find, keep any info coming please!
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All right, so what's the deal on these NeoPDPs? What are all the picture improvements? I know it has better blacks than 9G Kuros, but how much better? Is motion resolution improved? Are they more resistant to IR? Will all of 2009 models be NeoPDPs like that woman was saying? What sizes will they be offered in? Will they be cheaper?
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Holy Crap, looks like I will be buying one of these next year.

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WOW. Talk about razor thin. Our Panasonic's look like DLP's compared to the Neo's...

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All right, so what's the deal on these NeoPDPs? What are all the picture improvements? I know it has better blacks than 9G Kuros, but how much better? Is motion resolution improved? Are they more resistant to IR? Will all of 2009 models be NeoPDPs like that woman was saying? What sizes will they be offered in? Will they be cheaper?

I would like to know this too. I am just waiting to buy a new plasma TV and this would be worth waiting for. I get the Panasonic EPP pricing so it is even better. Any details on better picture quality would be helpful.
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Is motion resolution improved?

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Not 100% sure what this means. Does it keep 1080 lines during motion while others lower to 900 or less?
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Not 100% sure what this means. Does it keep 1080 lines during motion while others lower to 900 or less?

Yes, Neo-PDP will keep 1080 lines during motion. Notice how much current PDPs performance drop when the motion gets faster. The following picture might help you to understand the first picture:

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I wonder what this is gonna cost. Looks like it will be pretty expensive. I don't really see the need to make these sets much thinner. If you wall mount it, it will most likely look just as thin as current models when viewed from the front which is where most of the viewing will be done. If you use a stand, the stand will still determine your depth. I hope there's a big jump in PQ.
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Looks nice! Perfect blacks, perfect motion resolution and a beautifully thin panel will be here in the next couple of years. While I love my Pro151, I can't wait to move it to the bedroom and get a new panel in a couple of years.
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WOW!
looks like all the people claiming that 2009 is going to be "THE" year to buy a new plasma are correct.

Super thin, less heat, Better motion resolution, lower power consumption, higher brightness capabilitys, etc.

The neo-pdp's are going to be zero MLL also right??

If next years plasmas will have all this, How is LCD going to stand a chance??

Looks like my 151 might not be in my living room for very long.

My biggest question now is should I get a neo-pdp next year or wait until later in the year and get a 10G Kuro??

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Talk about anticipation:

"The 65in screen snapped below will weigh less than 29Kg and has a thickness less than a two euro coin. Best of all – building on the 50in NeoPDP set announced at CES – the tech is now deemed ‘market ready’ and will hit shelves in spring 2009."





Keep in mind....29 kg = 63.8 lbs. Now that's being weight friendly. No more $200-$300 shipping cost on plasmas.

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panasonic needs to make a 42" size as well.


if phosphor lag/fringing is nonexistent on the neopdp i will sell my pz800 and buy one upon release.
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But the Neo-PDP's will be capable of being brighter correct?

The Neo-PDP's will Definitly be "The One" (maybe thats why they call them "NEO" pdps? lol. u will have to be a matrix fan to understand that...)

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Well, i am definitely holding onto my 5080 now. I was thinking about getting a 151 or 111, but now I know i need to wait to see a NEO-PDP and probably not buy anything till i see a 10G kuro too. That will give me time to build up my system's audio and save some money for a new TV. The future looks exciting.

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Looks like my 151 might not be in my living room for very long.

good thing we all have bedrooms
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Looks nice! Perfect blacks, perfect motion resolution and a beautifully thin panel will be here in the next couple of years. While I love my Pro151, I can't wait to move it to the bedroom and get a new panel in a couple of years.

I am not sure we know what the black-levels will be. I think D-Nice stated better than the 9G by a sizable amount but not 0 LL.

Still, If we are talking spring. Perhaps, I will wait for my game room display.

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I am not sure we know what the black-levels will be. I think D-Nice stated better than the 9G by a sizable amount but not 0 LL.


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A sizable amount darker than the 9G's would have to pretty much be zero MLL.lol

There is already so little to measure on the 9G's, any less would be so close to Zero Idle luminance that I don't think my eyes could see a bit of difference.

Sometimes when I am watching my 151 at night with a small amount of ambient light, I Literally cannot see the break between the bezel and the screen.
With all the lights out I can see some luminance though once my eyes adjust, but with a small amount of light, I simply see blacks that look like nothingness.

It will be awesome to turn all the lights out and have absolute black like the 9G looks after 30 seconds. With the 10G kuros and possibly the neo-pdps, IT will be that way.

I can't wait!

If the neo's actually do release in spring, then it is gonna be hard as heck not to buy one. But I have to wait and see what the 10G kuros will be like.
The 10G kuros will not be the ECC concept will they? I think I heard that they won't be, but I could have sworn I saw somewhere that they would be. I dunno

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Well I'm glad now that I went with the 50" PX80 instead of the PZ800 for my daughter because it looks like I will be replacing it next year.

So if you really need a tv this year you just might want to get the 42" PX80 to hold you over until the Neo's are out & there was another post that said it will be going for under seven hundred on Columbus Day at one of the chain stores. Makes you wonder what the "Closeout Prices" will be on the PZ800 & PZ850? might just be some great deals on them for 2nd rooms & etc.
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My biggest question now is should I get a neo-pdp next year or wait until later in the year and get a 10G Kuro??

So many decisions.

I really do like the idea of a bigger set, e.g. 65" or perhaps even bigger...

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It will be awesome to turn all the lights out and have absolute black like the 9G looks after 30 seconds. With the 10G kuros and possibly the neo-pdps, IT will be that way.

I can't wait!

If the neo's actually do release in spring, then it is gonna be hard as heck not to buy one. But I have to wait and see what the 10G kuros will be like.
The 10G kuros will not be the ECC concept will they? I think I heard that they won't be, but I could have sworn I saw somewhere that they would be. I dunno

Agreed. From what I recall, Pioneer was going to have 0 LL Plasma's in 5 Lumen/Watt displays and it was 10 Lumen/Watt that would not be available until 2010.

I help my Friend setup his 151 and the black and contrast are phenomenal. We were able to see that the screen was not absolutely black with the lights out, but I have to say, that level was so good, that I cannot imagine being bothered by it. He did not have it calibrated or broken in, but I did feel there was some white crush.

Psychologically, it is easy to be bothered by knowing that 0 LL exists and I do not have it

This and the economy has altered my view of what I will do for the game room. If the 5020 gets to 2K, I will probably get one before Christmas. If not, I will probably get a Pioneer 50PZ800 which I think will be about $400 less than that before long At that, point, it can become the kids TV and that is good enough for them I think

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So many decisions.

I really do like the idea of a bigger set, e.g. 65" or perhaps even bigger...

I have a 65 now, and I would go lateral but never smaller.
75 would be great, 80 better, and 85 a friggin dream come true

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I wonder what this is gonna cost. Looks like it will be pretty expensive. I don't really see the need to make these sets much thinner. If you wall mount it, it will most likely look just as thin as current models when viewed from the front which is where most of the viewing will be done. If you use a stand, the stand will still determine your depth. I hope there's a big jump in PQ.

The reason to make them thinner is to make them lighter. That means that it will be possible to ship them for less money, and also means that they will be able to increase the screen size while keeping weight manageable.

They are reportedly cheaper to manufacture, not more. This should mean reasonable pricing for the consumer.
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Come on guys. Ya'll killing me here. I already got the 151 and am seriously considering getting the 111 to replace a 32" LCD.
And now you're telling me they got these new things coming out next year? Wow does it ever end? My only recourse now is to go ahead as planned right now. No need in chasing next year when next year is not promised to me. As far as pricing just because something can be made cheaper doesn't mean it will be cheaper (see HD-DVD in the beginning )

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Is there any pricing info on these new neoPDPs?

i.e. Compared to models available now, will the prices be more comparable to:

A) entry level Panasonics (PZ80)
B) high end Panasonics (PZ800)
C) Pioneer Kuro
C) Pioneer Elite Kuros



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Is there any pricing info on these new neoPDPs?

i.e. Compared to models available now, will the prices be more comparable to:

A) entry level Panasonics (PZ80)
B) high end Panasonics (PZ800)
C) Pioneer Kuro
C) Pioneer Elite Kuros


They are cheaper to build but there are the fixed cost of getting the factories on-line.

I think the biggest reason for hope is the continuing price erosion cause by competition with LCD's. You are likely to see some very thin, local dimming LCDs, with faster refresh and better motion resolution.

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BTW, one of the improvements 5 lumen tech bring to the table is indeed true zero-luminance blacks...

That Extreme Contrast Concept Pioneer was indeed base on 5 lumen tech, not to mention the NEO PDPs are also said to have 0.0 idle luminance....it was talked about in that thread about next years PDPs....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1070094


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IMO...buy nothing that is either too large or too expensive to be moved into your bedroom next year.

I was treated to an insider's view of two different manufacturers next generation pre-production models about three weeks ago.


I cannot reveal which MFRs they were or go into any details, so no sense in asking, but here are few bullets:
  • 0.0 FL Idle Luminescence
  • THX
  • Amazing color accuracy
  • WiFi
  • Dead silent operation

Some of these will be released staggered by screen size, but you will see the first of them in about six months.

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