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Ok so I have been looking around at difference between 42, 46, and 50 inch tv's. Well, mostly 42 and 50 inch cause they are the more common sizes. Basically, my dilemma is this:
I was going to go for a 42" plasma, but now I'm thinking I might as well just get a 50 inch.

But then I started reading about how far away you should be and what not. Well, I'm putting this in my room, and my room is only about 11 feet wide. I suppose I could rearrange my room so that the tv to viewer distance is longer, but I dont want to have to deal with window and lighting issues.

my main use will be video games (360, maybe wii) and secondary will be movies and tv.

I kinda want to get a big, 50" tv, but if my viewing distance is say... 8 or 9 feet will it look crappy? Also, cash is somewhat a factor so im ruling out 1080p.

So what do you think? Making the distance more than 9 ft would mean that either the screen is directly across from my window, or right in front of it facing opposite toward the room. And it being a plasma and all, I dont want glare to be a problem. (my room is painted dark green). so if any of you guys know much about lighting and how much it affects todays plasma tvs that would help too. but i really would prefer the tv to be positioned where the viewing distance is 8-9 ft just cause of plugs and space and room arrangement reasons
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Our 50" television sits a couple inches less than eight feet from our eyeballs to the surface of the screen. It's a 1366x768 resolution plasma. When I initially placed it exactly where the old 36" CRT had been located the distance was almost a foot farther but it looked so good (and took up so much less space than the CRT behemoth) that I scootched the sofa up closer.

I can't imgaine anyone thinking that 50" is "too big" for your viewing distance or, conversely, that you're "too close" for a 50" display. You'd have to be about half that distance to see any screen door effect if that's what you're worrying about.
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My main concern is that standard quality stuff like some tv shows or a regular dvd will be noticeably blurry or pixilated. I know HD stuff will look fine but it would just be annoying if standard stuff was blurry.

thanks for your insight though. from what i read i got the impression that the viewer experience begins to decline with 50 inchers when you go any closer than 9 or 10 ft
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I've read similar calculations and speculations but it just doesn't jibe with our experience. I mean don't get me wrong, standard definition TV shows don't look as good as HD ones. But I just went and checked out the baseball game on analog cable from 10', our normal 8' and up close at 6' and it doesn't look worse up close it just doesn't have any more detail at 6' than at 10'.

With an HD sporting event as you move closer to the screen you can pick up blades of grass or beads of sweat on the players, right up to the point where you start seeing pixels instead of picture. But with the SD stuff you can kind of get any distance you want and it's all the same picture.

I think the advice you're thinking of must come from HD displays that actually have artifacts or noise from the upconversion of SD stuff. And maybe some of the plasma sets are like that but an SD picture on our TH-50PX80U looks just like it did on our 36" CRT except about 50% larger. It still sucks compared to HDTV though...my goodness I love me some NFL football in HD!
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I had a 40" in my room and just upgraded to a 50". I sit between 7-12 ft. away. The 40" will definitely not be small, the 46" would be ideal, but if money is no object, go for the 50"
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Since 50" is only about $200 more than 42" go with 50" for sure. You can get Panasonic 50px80u for under a grand.
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if you can get 60 go for it! i upgraded my tv in my room from 42 to 60 and i dont regret it one bit! the bluray movies look awesome now thanks to pioneer 6020fd and i sit bout 8-9ft away. in my opinion its just right.
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Personally, I think 50"- 54" TV would be ideal, depending on actual distance and personal preference. Since you are going Plasma (smart choice), that leaves a 50" TV as my choice. Definately, don't get less than 46" TV at that distance.
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Ok so a 50" plasma seems to be the way to go. I could get a 720p for pretty well under 1000. But now I'm thinking 1080 would be a good idea because in a year or two all the input sources will be 1080. Of course I won't be able to tell the difference very much, but I think the difference between 1080 and 720 will be more discernable then 1080 vs anything higher. so im thinking if i go 1080 i'll be set for a while

so... the question is, do I wait for black friday to come around? Or christmas? Or will prices drop even further after christmas?
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From 8-9 feet you are very unlikely to see any difference between a 50" 1366x768p and a 50" 1920x1080p television. It isn't a matter of what the source material is, it's a matter of your eyeballs not being able to distinguish the extra 20% finer resolution from that distance. Now I suppose if you have very sharp eyes then under some particular circumstances you might catch a glimpse of something on the 1080p set that isn't there with lower resolution. But only if you have eagle eyes and are looking very closely.

Not that there's anything wrong with getting a 1080p television. The only reason to get a 1366x768 (or other so-called "720p") display is that's where there happen to be some great bargains at this particular point in time on plasmas that are otherwise quite good but don't have the 1080p spec. But it's only money, if you can afford a few hundred extra you might as well spend it.

As for your last question, prices on any given specification always drop more later. A given product will likely be cheaper in November/December than now and almost certainly cheaper still next summer. Or you can get better for the same money next year. Heck, we waited six years to go flat screen and sure enough we got a $1,000 plasma TV that is worlds better than the 6-year-old $3,000 CRT it replaced.
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thanks for the input. But would it be safe to say that because most the newer plasmas are 1080, that perhaps the newer, 1080p plasmas have other aspects that have been improved, or are overall better quality than a 720p that was manufactured a while ago?

If its really that hard to distinguish a 720p from 1080p, and that is the ONLY difference, then I suppose I'll go 720 and spend the money I save on a sound system or something, but if 1080p's also have better color generally or something I'll want that.

Also, I am concerned about upscaling and downscaling stuff. I read that converting it either way can cause there to be some undesired results. If this is true, which suffers least from the conversion? ive heard that 1080 goes best with 1080, and if everything is gonna be 1080 in a couple years then I don't want to be stuck with a 720p
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Well the latest and greatest models are pretty much going to be 1080p and I'm certainly not saying you should avoid buying that. The only advantage to lower resolution is that there are a few good deals out there at the less-expensive end. Apples to apples I don't think a 1080p television is worth hundreds more in your circumstances than an otherwise similar one with lower resolution. But that's not to say you can't buy a better picture with more money and past a certain point the best ones are likely to be 1080p.

My experience is entirely at the low end. When I was shopping and comparing I only had $1,500-ish to spend, preferably less, and needed a 50" one. In range there was nothing to be gained from the 1080p specification because the TH-50PX80U had such a nice picture for its price. If I'd been shopping in a higher price bracket I'd have ended up with a 1080p model anyway.
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Ok so a 50" plasma seems to be the way to go. I could get a 720p for pretty well under 1000. But now I'm thinking 1080 would be a good idea because in a year or two all the input sources will be 1080.

That's not true. Cable is 720p and 1080i and that is not changing anytime soon if ever. You have Blu-ray and some xbox 360/PS3 games at 1080p but that's it. Just get the 50px80u it's the best bang for the buck right now.
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That's not true. Cable is 720p and 1080i and that is not changing anytime soon if ever. You have Blu-ray and some xbox 360/PS3 games at 1080p but that's it. Just get the 50px80u it's the best bang for the buck right now.

not true. Dish already is 1080P. trend is in that direction.
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It doesn't matter if the source is 1,000,000p if you're sitting far enough back from the screen that your eyes can't distinguish between a 1366x768 and a 1920x1080 pixel count. The whole concept of needing to maintain a one-to-one mapping of source resolution to screen resolution is a red herring.
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