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I'm trying to decide between the Panasonic TH-50PZ85OU and Kuro 5020FD. Both are about $3k and 50 inch. When I was comparing specs the thing that stood out was the refresh rate of these two sets. The Panasonic is 480hz and the Kuro is only 60hz. Therefore will the Panasonic be better for watching fast action sports?

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No. You have identified a new marketing buzzword.

Search is handy as well. This has been beaten to death.
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I'm trying to decide between the Panasonic TH-50PZ85OU and Kuro 5020FD. Both are about $3k and 50 inch. When I was comparing specs the thing that stood out was the refresh rate of these two sets. The Panasonic is 480hz and the Kuro is only 60hz. Therefore will the Panasonic be better for watching fast action sports?

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Beyond buzz words, pixel response time is the salient feature:

Response time (Motion)

Panasonic PDPs w/48hz refresh rate are reported to "flicker" when playing 1080p/24 content on Blu-ray disc where Pioneer PDPs w/72hz do not.

Buy the Pioneer
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Beyond buzz words, pixel response time is the salient feature:

Response time (Motion)

Panasonic PDPs w/48hz refresh rate are reported to "flicker" when playing 1080p/24 content on Blu-ray disc where Pioneer PDPs w/72hz do not.

Buy the Pioneer

There are many reasons to buy a Pioneer, but unless you know that judder bothers you then I wouldn't worry too much about the 72hz vs 48hz issue for 24p material. If you don't even know what judder is then I recommend not worrying about it.
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There are many reasons to buy a Pioneer, but unless you know that judder bothers you then I wouldn't worry too much about the 72hz vs 48hz issue for 24p material. If you don't even know what judder is then I recommend not worrying about it.

Unless I am this seems like a "why I bought a Panasonic instead of a Pioneer" kind of rationalization to me.
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Why do you want to spend 3 grand on a 50pz850u? You can get a 50pz80/85u for $1200-1400 that's going to be 99% as good as the overpriced (IMO) 800 series. Better bang for the buck.
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Unless I am this seems like a "why I bought a Panasonic instead of a Pioneer" kind of rationalization to me.

I own a Pioneer. I just don't think judder is a big deal, there are so many other more important aspects to picture quality.
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I own a Pioneer. I just don't think judder is a big deal, there are so many other more important aspects to picture quality.

When a manafacturer touts capabilities like:

"480Hz Sub-Field Drive provides clear, vivid images when viewing action movies or watching sports events such as tennis, baseball or football games."

"24p Cinematic Playback displays movies in natural, cinematic motion, allowing you to experience theater-like viewing at home."

"Does the TV have a 480-hz sub-field and what benefit does it provide?

Yes; the 480Hz sub-field provides a much smoother motion picture.
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for a $4000 TV that doesn't deliver...
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When a manafacturer touts capabilities like:

"480Hz Sub-Field Drive provides clear, vivid images when viewing action movies or watching sports events such as tennis, baseball or football games."

"24p Cinematic Playback displays movies in natural, cinematic motion, allowing you to experience theater-like viewing at home."

"Does the TV have a 480-hz sub-field and what benefit does it provide?

Yes; the 480Hz sub-field provides a much smoother motion picture.
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for a $4000 TV that doesn't deliver...

But that TV does let you view 24p sources without judder. I don't understand your point.
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But that TV does let you view 24p sources without judder. I don't understand your point.

The Panasonic? It just "flashes" instead?
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But that TV does let you view 24p sources without judder. I don't understand your point.

It actually lets you view 24p sources without judder but with flicker. After seeing it in person in a store, I know which one is more apparent when watching (flicker is way more noticeable to me).

If you don't worry about judder (from telecine/pulldown), then Samsung is not a bad choice. I'm pretty happy with my PN50A650.
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The Panasonic? It just "flashes" instead?

Yeah, but those marketing bullet points that you quoted are all accurate.
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Yeah, but those marketing bullet points that you quoted are all accurate.

With no mention of the "flashing" issue. Sounds like a Pioneer marketing ploy to me.
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