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post #1 of 22 Old 12-14-2008, 05:05 PM - Thread Starter
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So I know that there is about 4 threads regarding this issue and I have read all of your responses, but I still haven't gotten an answer that I'm necessarily looking for.

Where I work we have special factory direct pricing on Panasonic sets. After reading the forum rules I am going to try to avoid typing out the "Price" that I can get Panny sets for. The issue I have is that I am the type of guy who doesn't mind spending a little extra to get something that is better, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself with this Pioneer Kuro non - elite and even moreso the Elite.

I just got married and luckily my fiance loves video and a nice TV set as much as me. We both agree that we both would love to own the Elite, but the price is a little too steep at this moment. I know the history of Elite and how amazing it is (I ran a tweeter for over 5 years, well United Audio than tweeter). At an authorized retailer it sure seems expensive still. We need to buy 2 TV's also. One for the Bedroom and One for the main room. We sit about 9 ft away from the TV in the main room and bedroom about the same. My question is this....

Would you:

A: Buy a TH-58PZ800u or 850U for right around $2500 shipped
B: Buy the Pioneer online at an authorized retailer for about the same price?

My main uses are Video games. I work about 60 hours a week and when I come home I don't generally come home and watch too much TV unless it is with the wife.

My feelings on it currently are:
A: Bigger TV more of a theater feeling with the 58 inch TV and probably amazing with 360, PS3, and Wii.
B: Superior picture, smaller, same price. Also amazing with video games.

We plan on buying a home in a year or so, so odds are we'll be buying another TV so something the wife mentioned was maybe get the Pioneer now (because shes in love with the picture) and getting a 60 Inch Kuro a year from now since we'll save up for it.

Thanks for the help and I'm glad to be a member here not sure how I worked in the Audio/Video industry and didn't post to the site

PS i'll have to post my pictures of my visit to Pioneer's Production lab where I got to see how they make the panels. Was an awesome trip that Tweeter sent me on 3 years back
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Here are a bunch of threads comparing the two

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=5020+800


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=5020+800

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=5020+800

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=5020+800

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Do the Panasonic. At 9' for mainly video games, the 58" is going to be much more immersive than a 50" can be.
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its directly from Panasonic no scams
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One thing to ask yourself is that you plan watch deep black films that require deep shadow detail without diminishing black levels the Pioneer is the better choice. For everyday sporting events, news, etc...the 58PZ800 is a good choice. The difference in black levels are noticeable during dark movies. What's ironic is that if I increase the brightness on the 46PZ800 it just kills the black levels. If you have the brightness to low it just crushes blacks. Overall, I am quite satisfied...

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I can tell you that you can't go wrong with the 5020FD. This TV is amazing and I play a lot of video games. I haven't noticed any lag, and I am particularly sensitive to it. I ran GH2 lag calibration and the results were consistently 0 (2/10 tests were 10-20ms, rest were 0). It looks amazing. I'm playing at 9" away also.

PS the XBOX is connected through HDMI @ 1080p. Also was satisfied with results on my wii through components. Hope this helps in case you have concern in that regard.
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Well you said you are buying two so I say buy a Panasonic for the main room as it is larger, and get the Kuro for you and your fiance to enjoy in the bedroom and don't share its beauty with visitors .
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I'm thinking I should go with the 8 extra inches for the same price. As nice as the Kuro is the Panasonic can't be that much worse right?
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I'm thinking I should go with the 8 extra inches for the same price. As nice as the Kuro is the Panasonic can't be that much worse right?

The 5020FD will have slightly better black levels. Color accuracy is about the same. I just Pioneer would wake up and smell the coffee and street price the 5020FD under $2k and street price the 6020FD under $3k. There would be no discrepancies.

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The 5020FD will have slightly better black levels. Color accuracy is about the same. I just Pioneer would wake up and smell the coffee and street price the 5020FD under $2k and street price the 6020FD under $3k. There would be no discrepancies.

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So are you saying stick with the panny since it's the same price? I feel like i'm losing 8 inches if I do get the Pioneer, but gaining a better performance.
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So are you saying stick with the panny since it's the same price? I feel like i'm losing 8 inches if I do get the Pioneer, but gaining a better performance.

I was in the same situation - 5020 or 58 panny. I chose the 58PZ850 and have no regrets! Having the extra 8 inches of real-estate makes a HUGE difference. The picture quality is outstanding. You really do feel immersed into the picture. Yes the Pioneer has better blacks, but size, to me, was a bigger factor in the end.

btw, I also sit about 9 feet back. Good luck with your decision.
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So are you saying stick with the panny since it's the same price? I feel like i'm losing 8 inches if I do get the Pioneer, but gaining a better performance.

Hmm...it depends. I am not saying that the Pioneer is head and shoulders over the PZ800, but their are small advantages. However, going from the 5020FD to 58PZ800 equates to 34% difference in screen size. I like the PZ800 in this area. The black levels is going to determine why you would need the 5020FD. Overall, given the price of the 5020 and 58PZ800 I would go with the 58PZ800.

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Your situation is not unique, it is common.Biggest or bestest (sic).
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I'd go with the screen size, esp. with heavy gaming use (not for 'critical viewing') and at the distance you'll sit.

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I'd like to start off by saying, that this is a good situation to be in.

I have to agree with most here. It is a rather large pill to swallow, considering the significant difference in size. Personally, I'd have to go with the Panny, although, as another poster mentioned above, you could go with the 800u f or the living room, and the Kuro in the bedrrom.


Best of both worlds if you ask me.
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I chose screen size vs. the 2 TV's. I got my Panny today!!! can't wait to go home and hook it up!
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I will say this, you are going to find yourself falling asleep on the couch, as the 4065 in the bedroom isn't going to look the same to you anymore.

Just speaking from personal experience here.
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Ah, employee pricing ! I had it too and still chose the Kuro even though it costs a lot more. At that price, that is though, because that is an 8" difference. I would guess in that case I would go with the Panasonic too.

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Anyone can get the 58pz800 for the same price as the OP posted. Since we can't post links just check Slickdeals forums and you'll find it.
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Pulled the trigger

Bought the TV I'm sure I'll be happy with my Panasonic. I'll wait till next year and see what Pioneer does in a different economy and challenging competitors.
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I just Pioneer would wake up and smell the coffee and street price the 5020FD under $2k and street price the 6020FD under $3k.

Chris

You trying to put other manufacturers out of business?
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