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Old 03-22-2009, 08:50 PM
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Thanks FlashJordan - those are great pics!

I'm assuming when you say tweaked pure mode you are referring to the pure mode settings listed earlier from another board? If not, would you please post your settings?

"Tweaked" just meaning changed from default. I'm using many of the settings posted from another board but those settings seem very wrong on the color temp settings for my set. I had been using Low color temp which seems very accurate but I am now experimenting with the settings below (going the opposite direction to the temp settings from the other board).

I'm also experimenting with a Standard mode setting as my "ISF Day" substitute and so far I'm liking it. I'll post those too if anyone is interested.


Current settings I'm using:

Pure Mode

Contrast 40
Brightness 0
Color +4
Tint 0
Sharpness -15

PRO ADJUST

PURE CINEMA
Film Mode Advanced
TXT Opt OFF

Intellegent Mode OFF

PICTURE DETAIL

DRE OFF
BLACK LEVEL OFF
ACL OFF
Enhancer Mode 1 (Hard)
Gamma 2


COLOR DETAIL

Color Temp Manual (push right arrow to adjust)

Red High +4
Green High 0
Blue High +5
Red Low -1
Green Low 0
Blue Low -1

CTI OFF

Color Management

Red 0
Yellow 0
Green 0
Cyan 0 (originally posted -1 in error)
Blue 0
Magenta 0 (originally posted -1 in error)

Color Space 2

Noise Reduction All Off


I took a few more zoomed in pictures tonight from Bolt. Fun movie with the kids and definite eye candy.











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Thanks again FlashJordan for the pics - very nice!

Yes, your color settings are a lot different than those posted on the other thread. Interesting....given your photos I'd say they look accurate. If you get a chance, please post your standard settings once your satisfied with the picture. I think they might make a nice "day" setting.

However, your settings are much closer to D-Nice's pure settings for the pro-151fd (see post #6 on The Official Pioneer 9G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread).

Thanks again!
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Can someone explain to a newbie why Page 67 of KRP-600 manual says:

Caution:
With the flat panel display, browsing Internet websites and sending/receiving E-mails are unavailable.
Broadcasts and on-line video services via the Internet are unavailable

I wanted to Network my laptop to the KRP-600 so that I could surf web sites or watch Youtube/ESPN/Hulu Video. Is there a way to do that despite the warning on page 67 of the manuel ?

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Wow Flash! Pics look great!

What kind of camera are you using?

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FlashJordan, thank you sharing your settings and please keep them coming.
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Can someone explain to a newbie why Page 67 of KRP-600 manual says:

Caution:
With the flat panel display, browsing Internet websites and sending/receiving E-mails are unavailable.
Broadcasts and on-line video services via the Internet are unavailable

I wanted to Network my laptop to the KRP-600 so that I could surf web sites or watch Youtube/ESPN/Hulu Video. Is there a way to do that despite the warning on page 67 of the manuel ?

Thanks

GStarr, since the 600M Ethernet (Network) interface is for adjusting picture control, it DOES NOT have what Pioneer called Home Media Gallery build-in which plays JPG slide show and MPEG video (available in xx20 and Elite but NOT Signature). However, you can always use a laptop/desktop connected to either the DVI or VGA port to use it as a computer monitor. In addition, just make sure you take precaution on standard burn-in prevention procedure.
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FlashJordan. Awesome Pictures. Thanks for sharing.
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I think he meant 2 out of 8 600m he sold and shipped .

2 out of the 8 600M's were delivered broken, the other 6 were perfect.
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Quick question.
Given the chance to purchase the PDP6010FD for $500 less than the KRP600M, which one would you guys choose?
Thanks.
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Wow Flash! Pics look great!

What kind of camera are you using?

Chris

Thanks Chris. Camera was my 6 year old Canon 10D DSLR on a tripod using manual exposure.

Also, I realized I pasted the wrong settings I was using in the color management section above and edited the post to fix it.
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I had the opportunity to calibrate a 500M this past Saturday. Post calibration, it was the one of most accurate displays I have ever calibrated. Its performance is identical to the Signature series performance when both are set to Pure mode... IDENTICAL.

If you do not need a stand, tuner, and/or speakers, this is the best bang for the buck display on the market today... HANDS DOWN.


The owner of the display I calibrated will be posting the results at a later time.
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I had the opportunity to calibrate a 500M this past Saturday. Post calibration, it was the one of most accurate displays I have ever calibrated. Its performance is identical to the Signature series performance when both are set to Pure mode... IDENTICAL.

If you do not need a stand, tuner, and/or speakers, this is the best bang for the buck display on the market today... HANDS DOWN.


The owner of the display I calibrated will be posting the results at a later time.

Ah, great news. My 500m is coming in tomorrow.

Do you have any general tips or is it just exactly the same as the Signature? I have a i1 and was going to try for a DIY calibration.
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I had the opportunity to calibrate a 500M this past Saturday. Post calibration, it was the one of most accurate displays I have ever calibrated. Its performance is identical to the Signature series performance when both are set to Pure mode... IDENTICAL.

D-Nice,

Wow that is good to hear. When you say identical to the Signature series, there is no loss in PQ being the M series does not have the isf modes.

Thanks,
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I had the opportunity to calibrate a 500M this past Saturday. Post calibration, it was the one of most accurate displays I have ever calibrated. Its performance is identical to the Signature series performance when both are set to Pure mode... IDENTICAL.

If you do not need a stand, tuner, and/or speakers, this is the best bang for the buck display on the market today... HANDS DOWN.



The owner of the display I calibrated will be posting the results at a later time.

D-Nice:
Any feel for if light-output could be boosted using ControlCal ?
TIA
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Ah, great news. My 500m is coming in tomorrow.

Do you have any general tips or is it just exactly the same as the Signature? I have a i1 and was going to try for a DIY calibration.

You will have fun with this beauty. Just remember that the 500M have multiplue Pure modes (1 for each signal type).
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I had the opportunity to calibrate a 500M this past Saturday. Post calibration, it was the one of most accurate displays I have ever calibrated. Its performance is identical to the Signature series performance when both are set to Pure mode... IDENTICAL.

If you do not need a stand, tuner, and/or speakers, this is the best bang for the buck display on the market today... HANDS DOWN.


The owner of the display I calibrated will be posting the results at a later time.

Thanks D-Nice for the early review - I look forward to the settings...I'm assuming they might also work nicely with a 600M? Please advise....
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D-Nice:
Any feel for if light-output could be boosted using ControlCal ?
TIA

No. ControlCAL is not needed to calibrate the 500M/600M.
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D-Nice,

Wow that is good to hear. When you say identical to the Signature series, there is no loss in PQ being the M series does not have the isf modes.

Thanks,
barry

I never said anything about the ISFccc modes. I'm speaking strictly about Pure mode. The KRP series equals the Signature series when it comes to Pure mode ONLY.
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I'm assuming they might also work nicely with a 600M? Please advise....

Doubt that very seriously. However, I won't know until I see one.
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You will have fun with this beauty. Just remember that the 500M have multiplue Pure modes (1 for each signal type).

Oh, that's right! That would be great for 480i signals, where noise reduction could be applied while letting HD signals pass through untouched.
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I had the opportunity to calibrate a 500M this past Saturday. Post calibration, it was the one of most accurate displays I have ever calibrated. Its performance is identical to the Signature series performance when both are set to Pure mode... IDENTICAL.

If you do not need a stand, tuner, and/or speakers, this is the best bang for the buck display on the market today... HANDS DOWN.


The owner of the display I calibrated will be posting the results at a later time.

D,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I knew that these were similar in performance to the Elites 111/151/101/141.

Good to hear!

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I never said anything about the ISFccc modes. I'm speaking strictly about Pure mode. The KRP series equals the Signature series when it comes to Pure mode ONLY.

So the PQ will still be better or is better on the Elite and Signatures if ISF calibrated?
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So the PQ will still be better or is better on the Elite and Signatures if ISF calibrated?

Speaking purely on Pure mode performance, this is how I would rank them... from best to worst:
  • 101FD/141FD/500M/600M
  • 111FD
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Ok Pure mode, I understand.
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Speaking purely on Pure mode performance, this is how I would rank them... from best to worst:
  • 101FD/141FD/500M/600M
  • 111FD
  • 151FD

What are the differences you're seeing with a calibrated Pure mode between the displays that would lead to those three levels of rankings?
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The owner of the display I calibrated will be posting the results at a later time.

Would it be possible to at least post the max fL reading for brightness in pure mode? I have an entire seperate thread asking, but I would love to put my mind at ease .
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Would it be possible to at least post the max fL reading for brightness in pure mode? I have an entire seperate thread asking, but I would love to put my mind at ease .

The max on the 500M I calibrated was 42fL before clipping, but I dialed it back to 36 (or was it 38)fL per the owner's request.
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What are the differences you're seeing with a calibrated Pure mode between the displays that would lead to those three levels of rankings?

The 151s have a 100% peak white challenge at 100% stimuli where they are redder than the other models.. at least the plus green grayscale models are.
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Do the ISF modes improve the picture quality over Pure mode by a significant amount? My understanding of the ISF modes was that it allowed a higher peak brightness without clipping whites. Does that have any correlation to better picture quality? Or are higher brighness and ISF modes more dependent on the viewing environment/user preference?
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The 151s have a 100% peak white challenge at 100% stimuli where they are redder than the other models.. at least the plus green grayscale models are.

What about the 111?

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Do the ISF modes improve the picture quality over Pure mode by a significant amount? My understanding of the ISF modes was that it allowed a higher peak brightness without clipping whites. Does that have any correlation to better picture quality? Or are higher brighness and ISF modes more dependent on the viewing environment/user preference?

To my eyes, it's more of a viewing environment/preference thing. I do not find anything noticeably different between calibrated Pure and calibrated ISF Night/Day other than brightness and "pop".
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