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post #1261 of 4963 Old 04-10-2009, 04:25 PM
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do you do any gaming whatsoever? or have any desire to stream media? If so, go with the PS3.

The Oppo's boot times seem terrific and the built in IR is nice, but if you do any gaming, get the PS3 without hesitation. If you dont game, well the Oppo may just be the ticket.

I do, do some gaming. I loved Gran Turismo, but I don't know how much longer I can wait to have GT5 to come out. but that's another topic. I do some gaming, but not a heavy gamer. I am hesitant, because what if the oppo is that much better as a blu ray player and just blow everything out the water? and I had also checked with elite on this, the ps3 with the proper firmware can now decode DTS MA, am I right on that?

I'd love to be able to stream my music from my PC or Mac, through to the PS3 too. which is why I am only looking at either PS3 or the Oppo. choices, choices.......
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^^ Is it possible for you to post what a crack on this set looks like? I am curious as to what I should be looking for when this set comes next week. I also ordered 500M from Value Electronics and I am having them install it with a Peerless Mount. I will have them turn it on and make sure it works and then look over the screen myself. So if you can or anyone else ... that you be great.



here ya go. of course all cracks are different but this is on a 60" Elite. the kuros have a bonded color filter on the outside of the glass so that is why you need a flashlight or other good light source shining on the glass to see smaller or not as obvious cracks. good luck with your delivery, as long as it powers on with a pic or the menu you know it's not cracked.

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That would be great. This is a example of what settings would be helpful for everyone to get a good starting point...

Hi Rouge, since D Nice said the 151 settings is way off, I actually started using the settings that was posted in hometheatermag.com, it is the setting for 141, and I think it looks decent. but I think elite's settings from D nice will be by far the closest we can get, providing that our panels do not have a large deviation. but I'd recommend the 141 settings too, if you are inclined to experiment also...
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Even though I own the 600M, if have to admit that the cal reports for the 500M are amazing! Looks like the 60" is great up until the 90-100 range. Any ideas why that is? Is that something that we can even see with our own eyes in the picture quality department. Please excuse my lack of knowledge here . Regardless, thank you so much for posting those. I am looking forward to the settings and thanks in advance!
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here ya go. of course all cracks are different but this is on a 60" Elite. the kuros have a bonded color filter on the outside of the glass so that is why you need a flashlight or other good light source shining on the glass to see smaller or not as obvious cracks. good luck with your delivery, as long as it powers on with a pic or the menu you know it's not cracked.

Wow, that is a hundred times more obvious that the cracks in my 500M (I now realize there are two--a one inch and a four inch--but without a flashlight, they're invisible).

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Even though I own the 600M, if have to admit that the cal reports for the 500M are amazing! Looks like the 60" is great up until the 90-100 range. Any ideas why that is? Is that something that we can even see with our own eyes in the picture quality department. Please excuse my lack of knowledge here . Regardless, thank you so much for posting those. I am looking forward to the settings and thanks in advance!

Most of the 9G 60" models have issues in the 90-100% stimuli region.
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Most of the 9G 60" models have issues in the 90-100% stimuli region.

Please pardon my ignorance when it comes to this, but how does that specifically affect the picture in laymans terms. Is this something that can be seen by the average eye?
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I really haven't had the chance to enjoy since the calibration, it has been a long week at work so I am looking forward to this weekend and really getting a feel for the changes.

I will say the limited amount of time I have watched the 600m the changes have been really amazing. I look forward to rewatching my collection of movies and with the wife and kids in Florida for Easter- believe me I WILL


That's pretty cool to here. I deff want to get mine done by him also if able.

Have fun! Just hoping mine comes in one piece!


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Please pardon my ignorance when it comes to this, but how does that specifically affect the picture in laymans terms. Is this something that can be seen by the average eye?

In layman's terms, the brightest white scenes on 2.35:1 movies would be more yellow than it should be.
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here ya go. of course all cracks are different but this is on a 60" Elite. the kuros have a bonded color filter on the outside of the glass so that is why you need a flashlight or other good light source shining on the glass to see smaller or not as obvious cracks. good luck with your delivery, as long as it powers on with a pic or the menu you know it's not cracked.

Holy Cracks! wow deff can see them. That sucks. Sorry. . .

I was wondering about the menu thing. So If able I don't have to hook up the cable box to it to see if it works. As long as I can get the power on and hit the menu to full it up that's fine enough?

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In layman's terms, the brightest white scenes on 2.35:1 movies would be more yellow than it should be.

Thanks for breaking it down for me. Thats exactly what I was looking for. I dont think that will be a problem for me at all really because it looks plenty white to me . So, does having ISFccc affect this at all, or is it unrelated?
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AV Selection: Pure
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THANKS ELITE-HOME! Better Friday indeed I'll be sure to post feedback.
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Hi Elite,

thanks for the calibration report so far. and thank you in advance for posting the settings for 500m/600m perhaps later tonight. if you don't mind provide the source components that you are using, that'd be great too. if not, certainly no worries. thanks again!

my source components are:
500m is in the Master Bedroom with the PS3 as the source. No Cable box, ordered it though.

Great Room:
600m with Denon AVR 989 for receiver attached to the 5.1 Mordaunt Short Genie system except for the Front L/R which are Mordaunt Short Alumni 8 speakers to the left and right of the TV. Bluray is the Denon 2500BTCI and my cable box is an HD box from Time warner.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting that up. Gives us a good starting point to tinker with it. I am off to play now . Did I say thank you
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Wow, 39? That's great. Is this done by cranking up the RGB L/H's?

Did you ever find a way to get your fL up higher like D-Nice reported? If so, have you re-calibrated anything to compensate for it with your standard settings? Thanks!
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THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting that up. Gives us a good starting point to tinker with it. I am off to play now . Did I say thank you

you are welcome, hope they work as well for you guys as they do me. the pic is amazing. getting to enjoy finally, underworld 2 is jaw-dropping@!
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E-H, thank you!!

D-Nice, thank you!!
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thanks Elite, and thanks to D Nice as well. I too, will be playing with settings tonight. this weekend simply just got better!
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Wow, that is a hundred times more obvious that the cracks in my 500M (I now realize there are two--a one inch and a four inch--but without a flashlight, they're invisible).

anyway you can take a picture of those? just so we can have an idea.
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Here are images of the cracks in the screen of my first 600M. None of these were visible to me or the delivery guy with indirect daylight. The flash of the camera makes them MUCH more visible.
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Wow, that is a hundred times more obvious that the cracks in my 500M (I now realize there are two--a one inch and a four inch--but without a flashlight, they're invisible).

eelton,

Here are mine. I actually let fedex leave before I noticed that mine was cracked. You definitely need a flashlight.

You can see from two of the pics that the screen looks good.

Alex at Invision took care of me, no questions asked...
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Elite,

Thx for the settings. The Masters never looked so good...
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Is this a packaging or manufacturing defect?
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where can you purchase a 600m in the states?
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With contrast and brightness dialed down I watched my first movie, Get Smart, on my new 500m played on my PIO BD51. Just awesome. I don't know how to read the available color charts of this machine, but I'm sure glad the engineers at Pioneer do.
Sorry to hear, again, of cracked screens received by others. What a tragic waste.
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Holy Cracks! wow deff can see them. That sucks. Sorry. . .
I was wondering about the menu thing. So If able I don't have to hook up the cable box to it to see if it works. As long as I can get the power on and hit the menu to full it up that's fine enough? jimi

don't worry no sorry. it's just a numbers game and some panels are gonna get cracked due to the various shipping/handling issues. My dealer John Marty at Axxis Audio, axxisdurango.com had another panel shipped out asap and I had it in 7 days. Well worth the wait, the second one came in pristine condition and pixel perfect.

Yes, the panels are sealed and if it has any crack(s) it will not function, you will get a blank screen with a loud Tazer buzz sound=DOA.

You power it up and any menu comes up that means you have a good working panel, no need to hook a cable box/dvd/antenna up to check it out on delivery.

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Is this a packaging or manufacturing defect?

the 600m have a packaging defect. it was reported that pioneer was going to study a way and attempt to repack any that were still in the distribution chain.

My cracked panel had a dumbass on a forklift defect

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What a disaster by Pioneer. You would think a company with their experience would know how to pack televisions by now.

I feel no sympathy for them going out of business when I read about stuff like this.
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