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post #271 of 3994 Old 01-10-2009, 05:18 AM
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Will these new Pannys finally be true 8-bit displays? Or are we still going to be stuck with dithering next year? If they are as bright as indicated I might want to pick up a 42" for computer use but banding might kill it.

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Will these new Pannys finally be true 8-bit displays? Or are we still going to be stuck with dithering next year? If they are as bright as indicated I might want to pick up a 42" for computer use but banding might kill it.


I need a 101, what is DITHERING?

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I need a 101, what is DITHERING?

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Dithering is a technique used in computer graphics to create the illusion of color depth in images with a limited color palette (color quantization). In a dithered image, colors not available in the palette are approximated by a diffusion of colored pixels from within the available palette. The human eye perceives the diffusion as a mixture of the colors within it (see color vision). Dithering is analogous to the halftone technique used in printing. Dithered images, particularly those with relatively few colors, can often be distinguished by a characteristic graininess, or speckled appearance.

All plasma do it some better than others. As of now the Pioneer's do the best job but still use dithering.

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Chasing Technology.....was about to purchase the 58" 800U then stumbled upon this thread and now require a shrink.

So for those of you that have actually seen the 12G stuff and aren't hellbent on PIO (I can't argue and respect that...I'm just not there for the premium) do I take the plunge on the 58" 800U or wait until summer for the new 58"? (Whatever the top 58" is under the Z silver bullet)

I need to get my old 42 set into my bedroom, may just buy a 50 to hold over and then toss that into the basement when the new 58 arrives.

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Does anyone know if Panasonic was demonstrating the now famous "ball bearing bounce test" on the '09 PDPs as they did last year at CES? I'm looking to replace my 32" JVC tube TV but the propensity of my children to toss items is a concern. The ability of the JVC to withstand about anything the kids throw at it is probably the biggest reason we don't have a FP set.
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All plasma do it some better than others. As of now the Pioneer's do the best job but still use dithering.

I disagree - to my eyes the pioneer dithering technique is far far more visible than other plasmas.
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I didn't realize they were comparing brightness levels to the 07 models. Those things were very dim. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of current 720p panels are already twice as bright as the pz750.

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Definitely Panasonic marketing is doing a poor job of communicating with the public.

All 1080p 2009 Panasonic Plasma will be using NeoPDP panels which means their luminance efficiency are 2 times better than the 2007 PZ750 panels (Whenever Panasonic compares the luminance level they are always referring to the first generation 10G 2007 1080p panels). .

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I didn't realize they were comparing brightness levels to the 07 models. Those things were very dim. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of current 720p panels are already twice as bright as the pz750.

ahhhhhh!!
They were comparing the "3 times brightness" to the 07 models??

I too thought they were speaking of the 08 models!

So how much more bright are the 07 models than the 08 models??


And I am probably alone here, but I wish panny would stop telling so much about the power consumption of these panels and start tellling more about performance.
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I noticed that the pz80/85 sets started coming out in late Feb. could that mean that the S and G series might make it before the March target date or am I reading too much into this? (If you can't tell, I am really looking forward to getting one of these as soon as they are available, the 50inch S series to be exact)

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And I believe last year Panasonic stated the release date as a more nebulous "spring 2008" as opposed to specifying the exact month. But hey, I am still glad they are coming out in March.

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When can we expect pricing?
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Does anyone know if Panasonic was demonstrating the now famous "ball bearing bounce test" on the '09 PDPs as they did last year at CES? I'm looking to replace my 32" JVC tube TV but the propensity of my children to toss items is a concern.

Can't be as bad as what they might do to a RPTV or DLP screen.

Just be sure and keep the drawer with the sack of ball bearings and guns locked up.
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Anyone think that plasma will ever get to the point of being able to game and use as a monitor?

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Anyone think that plasma will ever get to the point of being able to game and use as a monitor?

I've been doing both since 2005.

You are OT though, I suggest posting questions like this in the master burn-in thread.
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anyone find out there weights?? any size, just to get an idea if they will be easier to hang.
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...And I am probably alone here, but I wish panny would stop telling so much about the power consumption of these panels and start tellling more about performance.

You're not alone at all. It seems like the vast majority of everything at CES is about thinness and features. Is this CES or the Biggest Loser? LOL

While this info is nice, I want to know about PQ advancements. Looks like we're being left with a cliff hanger and will have to "wait and see".
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Again Panasonic is competing against the 55" LED LCDs, as they were with the 46" models. Panasonic is going to have its hands full with Samsung!

Chris

Chris,

Any idea on how the Samsung and Panny's compare PQ wise? Specifically in brightness and black levels?
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Look--maybe I could take the 2009 Panasonics not having blacks as good as 8G Kuros if one could satisfactorily asnser the following question:

EXACTLY how much BRIGHTER is a 2009 Panasonic compared to a 2008 Panasonic?

If they aren't a whole lot brighter--if the 2009s are MARGINALLY brighter and have MARGINALY better blacks then the bottom line is:

Buy one of them if you have to buy one now--if you can wait then this year's models are a big yawn!
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Look--maybe I could take the 2009 Panasonics not having blacks as good as 8G Kuros if one could satisfactorily asnser the following question:

EXACTLY how much BRIGHTER is a 2009 Panasonic compared to a 2008 Panasonic?

If they aren't a whole lot brighter--if the 2009s are MARGINALLY brighter and have MARGINALY better blacks then the bottom line is:

Buy one of them if you have to buy one now--if you can wait then this year's models are a big yawn!

Do you own an 8g Kuro?
Do you own a 9g Kuro?
Do you even own a Panasonic?
Do you even care?

If they are brighter will your head explode?
If they are both brighter and blacker will the earth stop spinning?
If they out perform the Kuro will space/time collapse in upon itself?

Can you take it?
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Look--maybe I could take the 2009 Panasonics not having blacks as good as 8G Kuros if one could satisfactorily asnser the following question:

EXACTLY how much BRIGHTER is a 2009 Panasonic compared to a 2008 Panasonic?

If they aren't a whole lot brighter--if the 2009s are MARGINALLY brighter and have MARGINALY better blacks then the bottom line is:

Buy one of them if you have to buy one now--if you can wait then this year's models are a big yawn!

They will not be "MARGINALLY" brighter. They will be A LOT brighter than any plasma on the market today. None knows at what level Panasonic will cap the peak light output at. However, It should be no less than 110fL (100% stimuli white window).
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D-Nice: It is great news that they're that brighter and that makes them worth buying! I ask alot of dumb questions around here not because I'm trying to be rhetorical but because I do not know--thanks for answering.

VFR: My answers are no, no, yes, yes, no, no, no, and yes--thanks for asking!
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I'm most excited about the fact they will have an in between model with the 54". I was gonna buy a 50 but now I'm gonna wait till these come out to see what pricing is.
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They will not be "MARGINALLY" brighter. They will be A LOT brighter than any plasma on the market today. None knows at what level Panasonic will cap the peak light output at. However, It should be no less than 110fL (100% stimuli white window).

Which probably means the Pioneer 10G's will also be as bright since they will also be using 5 lumen tech.
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They will not be "MARGINALLY" brighter. They will be A LOT brighter...It should be no less than 110fL (100% stimuli white window).

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anyone find out there weights?? any size, just to get an idea if they will be easier to hang.

67 LBS, 5/8 of an inch thick, and 54"

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Any idea on how the Samsung and Panny's compare PQ wise? Specifically in brightness and black levels?

The samsung series 8 LED displays are just awesome. In the next few years NeoPDP and LED will be head to head. If I had to choose I am not sure at this point what I would pick, they are that close. We will see where the pricing ends.

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