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Sorry - I was too tongue in cheek!

Opps...Thanks for the correction!

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D-Nice,

Thanks for your post. Now we have more to work with.
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When does Panasonic typically release their pricing?

I hope their not quite as much of a premium for the 65" models as other have guessed. Wouldn't surprise me though. I'll probably wait and see what Pioneer has up their sleeve and buy later. I'm sure the Panasonics will drop somewhat in price by the fall. The price guesses on the Panny's are a little scary thinking what Pioneer would price their sets at.
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When does Panasonic typically release their pricing?

I hope their not quite as much of a premium for the 65" models as other have guessed. Wouldn't surprise me though. I'll probably wait and see what Pioneer has up their sleeve and buy later. I'm sure the Panasonics will drop somewhat in price by the fall. The price guesses on the Panny's are a little scary thinking what Pioneer would price their sets at.

Pricing is typically released after CES. I would say no later than a week or two. I agree that the 65" S-series should be priced no higher than $4k. It just doesn't make sense, given that its their mid-level display.

Off the record, can you image a TC-P65Z1 = $8999? That would be amazing.

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D's guesstimates provide hope that mid range 50" displays may discount deep enough this year to be feasibly replaced annually by even the common man.
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D's guesstimates provide hope that mid range 50" displays may discount deep enough this year to be feasibly replaced annually by even the common man.

Yes that is ideal, however, consider the fact that they have the 46" and 55" models that they have added, which could either do one or two things. Bring the 50" down closer to the 46" and/or place the 55" up near the 58". So they can do a variety of things with the pricing based on the model numbers that they added.

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A post somewhere on AVS showed the NeoPDP (Panasonic) and Kuro technology merged into NeoPDP Eco. Since Pioneer is releasing their display later, can this be the resulting blend?

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wait till March, we will know X/S Series price
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any more pics of the V10 series? I'd love to see the side profile that is 2"

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I went back and read the VX100 posts, and I beleive you basically said the neo would be about the same to slightly better than the VX100 ( sorry if I read your posts incorrectly) After the announcements and Spec's at CES for the 65V10, how do you compare the 2 now!! Thanks
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How come we can't post non-MSRP's at AVS...
butt we can post guesses?

How do guesses (mostly the wrong info) help people out?
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I will say, the demeanor here is MUCH better than the older thread on the same topic.
Good info (the non-guessing stuff ;-) ) as well!

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The only badd news "I'm" getting on the new Panas (IMO) is the '09 Neo's are not necessarily Neo eco.
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I wouldn't be surprised if pricing was delayed this year. Given the economy, they may need to wait to determine what they can charge. No real reason to announce prices 4 months or more before they ship. I've seen car companies delaying pricing until new vehicles actually start shipping.
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Z-series:
TC-P54Z1 = $4999

V-series:
TC-P65V10 = $5999
TC-P58V10 = $3499
TC-P54V10 = $2399
TC-P50V10 = $1999

G-series:
TC-P54G10 = $2199
TC-P50G10 = $1799
TC-P46G10 = $1499
TC-P42G10 = $1299

S-Series:
TC-P65S10 = $4999
TC-P58S10 = $2499
TC-P54S10 = $1999
TC-P50S10 = $1699
TC-P46S10 = $1399
TC-P42S10 = $1199

X-Series:
TC-P50X10 = $1199
TC-P42X10 = $999

According to the Panasonic reps at CES there will only be 1 model of the 58" and 65". The V series will be a cobination of this years 800 and 850. In the end, with time, we will see as this info comes out. ( It will be a few months yet)
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D's guesstimates provide hope that mid range 50" displays may discount deep enough this year to be feasibly replaced annually by even the common man.

That pretty much removes any doubt, I'm so not in that common category to be able to spend $1000+ per year for a new TV.
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TC-P54V10 = $2399

Obviously this TV would be the Best Bang for the Buck.

don't you think?


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Z-series:
TC-P54Z1 = $4999

V-series:
TC-P65V10 = $5999
TC-P58V10 = $3499
TC-P54V10 = $2399
TC-P50V10 = $1999

G-series:
TC-P54G10 = $2199
TC-P50G10 = $1799
TC-P46G10 = $1499
TC-P42G10 = $1299

S-Series:
TC-P65S10 = $4999
TC-P58S10 = $2499
TC-P54S10 = $1999
TC-P50S10 = $1699
TC-P46S10 = $1399
TC-P42S10 = $1199

X-Series:
TC-P50X10 = $1199
TC-P42X10 = $999

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Ok, so I am confused now. Is there or is there not two 65" versions? The S version and the V version?

And if there is, what does the extra $1000 in price get you on the V version?

Finally, do these sets include the stand this year?

Per D-Nice

V-series:
TC-P65V10

S-Series:
TC-P65S10

I have not seen a mention on the stands being included this year. Lets hope they are. I guess we just need to wait for all of the information to slowly trickle down.
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If D-Nice's price guesses were correct, I'd have a very tough time paying twice as much for a 65" S series as the 58" version. That'd just be insane for 7" of screen size. I'd almost rather buy the 58" version in the summer and upgrade to the new Pioneer later on. I'd hate losing 2" of screen size (not that it would make much of a difference), but that's a lot of money for such a small difference.
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Well, since i'm an LCD guy, and have said many times that for plasma to compete with LCD in the showroom for the average Joe, plasma had to increase the lumen level so that the perceived "dirty" whites looked brighter and comparable to LCD's (in the showroom), these neoPDP's, with a D-NICE comment of 110fL (100% stimuli white window), truly is intriquing. Why? Well the news at CES pertaining to LCD's this coming year is LED, 120hz/240hz, thinness, 55" screens. I have to admit that LED is to compensate for backlight leakage inherent to CCFL LCD's, 120hz/240hz is to compensate for the sample & hold way of refreshing pixels which result in motion blur/smearing (motion resolution). Well, plasma blacks on the new Panny should be about the same (not quite kuro) but about the same as an LED LCD, at least measurement wise. The 120hz/240hz panel is not needed on a plasma, of course, especially now that Panny is claiming a 1080 motion resolution, the new Panny is thin, and now comes in 54", and efficiency should be comparable to a similar size LCD. The one sticking point many of us LCD people feel was/is luminence/efficiency level. So after reading this thread i get the impression that the new Panny Z/V series can be had at 54", 1080 lines of motion resolution (at least 900), super thin, lower energy cost, and whites that don't look "dirty" but can start out comparable to LCD before calibration with a prediction from a well respected member in here of 5 lumens 110fL (100% stimuli white window) . This is major news to many LCD people since most of us realize that the advances in LCD technology, like 120hz/240hz panels for instance, are a direct result in correcting the shortcomings of LCD compared to plasma. This may not be important to most of you long time plasma consumers as far as the perceived brightness compared to LCD (i'm speaking of the showroom and the average Joe with a first impression). If Panasonic truly cleaned up the "dirty" whites, well, this far surpasses anything LCD is doing at CES.
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Well, since i'm an LCD guy, and have said many times that for plasma to compete with LCD in the showroom for the average Joe, plasma had to increase the lumen level so that the perceived "dirty" whites looked brighter and comparable to LCD's (in the showroom), these neoPDP's, with a D-NICE comment of 110fL (100% stimuli white window), truly is intriquing. Why? Well the news at CES pertaining to LCD's this coming year is LED, 120hz/240hz, thinness, 55" screens. I have to admit that LED is to compensate for backlight leakage inherent to CCFL LCD's, 120hz/240hz is to compensate for the sample & hold way of refreshing pixels which result in motion blur/smearing (motion resolution). Well, plasma blacks on the new Panny should be about the same (not quite kuro) but about the same as an LED LCD, at least measurement wise. The 120hz/240hz panel is not needed on a plasma, of course, especially now that Panny is claiming a 1080 motion resolution, the new Panny is thin, and now comes in 54", and efficiency should be comparable to a similar size LCD. The one sticking point many of us LCD people feel was/is luminence/efficiency level. So after reading this thread i get the impression that the new Panny Z/V series can be had at 54", 1080 lines of motion resolution (at least 900), super thin, lower energy cost, and whites that don't look "dirty" but can start out comparable to LCD before calibration with a prediction from a well respected member in here of 5 lumens 110fL (100% stimuli white window) . This is major news to many LCD people since most of us realize that the advances in LCD technology, like 120hz/240hz panels for instance, are a direct result in correcting the shortcomings of LCD compared to plasma. This may not be important to most of you long time plasma consumers as far as the perceived brightness compared to LCD (i'm speaking of the showroom and the average Joe with a first impression). If Panasonic truly cleaned up the "dirty" whites, well, this far surpasses anything LCD is doing at CES.

It looks like Panny may win some LCD guys/ If Panasonic can remove burn in myths from peoples minds, then LCD/plasma may be on equal ground in a store room environment. If so, I see plasma with a nice edge here as plasma PQ doesn't degrade to the extent that standard LCDs do in a darkened room.

If these new neoPDPs draw in Westa6969, then they have made a MAJOR accomplishment and he may even forget his old Panny experience(as I know he wants a larger screen as well).
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Ok, so I am confused now. Is there or is there not two 65" versions? The S version and the V version?
And if there is, what does the extra $1000 in price get you on the V version?
Finally, do these sets include the stand this year?

There will be confusion, until just before they come out. Manufacturers change plans all the time. For the 65" we will not know probably until May or later as they probably will not come out till mid-summer
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There will be confusion, until just before they come out. Manufacturers change plans all the time. For the 65" we will not know probably until May or later as they probably will not come out till mid-summer

The only confusion I am experiencing is why we wouldn't just take the press release at face value, at least for the time being. It mentions both a V and S series 65" model.
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The only confusion I am experiencing is why we wouldn't just take the press release at face value, at least for the time being. It mentions both a V and S series 65" model.

Like Chris said plans can change, but I would find it hard that they would only reproduce a V 58" and 65", as the press release states that their will be V and S 58" and 65" model.

I can justify Chris's point as releasing an S 58" and 65" would diminish the sales of the V 58" and 65" based at the price point.

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TC-P54V10 = $2399

Obviously this TV would be the Best Bang for the Buck.

don't you think?

If you're talking best bang for the buck I'd have to go with the 54" S series at $1999.
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I can justify Chris's point as releasing an S 58" and 65" would diminish the sales of the V 58" and 65" based at the price point.

I didn't see him make such a point, but even if he has, it is not a very good one. The reason I say so is that this same thing could be argued when comparing like-sized models throughout the range. In other words, by the same logic, one could reason that Panasonic should only have a single model for each size, because having more than that would inevitably leave the lower priced model stealing sales of the greater. I think that this happens is elementary, and it is precisely why the pricing must be tiered in order to justify production of higher end products.

To me, the 65" and 58" S series (if they do indeed come to pass as I suspect) are simply there as acknowledgement that a value-priced display does not have to mean a smaller sized display. There needn't be anything special about the size - its just one feature of a display among many. This basic fact has been demostrated in RPTV market where 60-inch-plus displays sold for little premium, and even in the LCD market by Sharp who has sold some very low priced 65" products as well.
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I know this has been debated here and I don't recall what the outcome was, but is there a downside to the S-series not having a single sheet of glass? I recall my old Panny plasma had a "double-image" from the side but at the time I hadn't had a Pioneer with a single sheet of glass and am wondering if there is a down side to the double sheets(besides the obvious off-axis viewing).
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The only confusion I am experiencing is why we wouldn't just take the press release at face value, at least for the time being. It mentions both a V and S series 65" model.

While at CES there was only 1 of each 58 and 65, not two and the Panasonic guy said there would be only one. I guess it depends who is right.
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There might be two tiers for the 58 like there are now? I'm most interested in the 54 myself. I've always wondered why no one had an in between size on plasmas just LCDs. now we get it. YAY!!
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