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post #451 of 3994 Old 01-13-2009, 08:57 PM
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The speculation in this thread has been that Panasonic has fixed the problem by displaying the signal at a higher multiple of 24 Hz, like 72 Hz, or 96 Hz. I'm interested to see if they really have fixed the problem and how they fixed it.

Well, the Pioneers use 72Hz (I think) to display 1080/24p sources, and I don't think people have complained about flicker with them, so I'm sure the solution is similar. I don't really know enough about Plasma tech to know what constitutes and is involved in a "refresh" of the screen though from frame to frame and why it's more difficult to do this on Plasmas versus LCDs.
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More pictures of the NeoPDP:

Contrast comparison: Left Previous model Panasonic (probably 2007), Right NeoPDP (2009). More details can be seen on the right.



Brightness:Left 2007 model, Right NeoPDP eco at same power consumption level.




Brightness:Left 2007 model, Right NeoPDP eco at 66% power consumption level. We should expect the 2009 NeoPDP models to be similar to this comparison in brightness.

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Hmmmmm ..... might be a little more detail, but also looks very washed out I prefer the rich colors on the left However, I'm sure once the Neo is 'dialed in' it will be spectacular!
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Hmmmmm ..... might be a little more detail, but also looks very washed out I prefer the rich colors on the left However, I'm sure once the Neo is 'dialed in' it will be spectacular!

I was thinking the same thing. I'm debating a 58PZ800 now with the price drop (Thanks CP) or waiting for a 54 V series set. I have very light sensitive eyes and a really bright display really irritates them so this concerns me with the new model line.

Decisions,decisions...
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well, right. Those pictures are mainly to show you the improvement in brightness at the same power levels, and then how even at 66% of the NeoPDP's power, it's still brighter than the older version.

It would have been neat to see at what level the NeoPDP would need to have been dropped in order to match the overall look of the older model. 50% power/brightness? 40%, etc. Even at 66%, that's an impressively huge drop in power, isn't it? Or am I misinterpreting something?

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Great post tinghai.

I'm sure the brightness can be dialed down on the Neo so that the pic isn't as washed out and matches the vibrancy of the model on the left, thus saving even more power.
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31% still looks good



As tinghai has already noted the power consumption comparison pictures are of the "eco" panel.
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31% still looks good


Now that is impressive, I wonder just what the numbers will be on these things. (power consumption numbers) could these things be more efficient than similar sized LCD sets?

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They're supposed to use like half the power of the previous models. I could be mistaken and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.
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Now that is impressive, I wonder just what the numbers will be on these things. (power consumption numbers) could these things be more efficient than similar sized LCD sets?

well, since real-world power consumption #'s tended to be within 20-25% of each other even before this Eco Neo stuff, I would say so (that is to say, this plasma is definitely more efficient, much more probably).

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This years panels--the neopdp--is said to use half the power and achieve the same brightness as the 07 panels.

The neopdp-eco is said to use 1/3 the power of the 07 panels and achieve the same brightness.

The eco panel, as I understand it, is to be a 2010 model.
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Forget the eco crap! Can I get one that uses 2x the power, has lead components, pcbs in the capacitors, comes in a wooden crate made out of a freshly chopped down rain forest tree(preferably slow growing hardwood) and was assembled by children working 18 hour shifts. This pc stuff is about to make my head explode

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In the house picture it's so washed out that the clouds have disappeared.
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I think that's cranked up to 100. The fishing one is put down to 31 and looks much better.
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2007 1080p Contrast Ratio 5,000:1 (PZ77, PZ700 & PZ750)
2008 1080p Contrast Ratio 20,000:1 (PZ80)
2008 1080p Contrast Ratio 30,000:1 (PZ85, PZ800 & PZ850)
2009 1080p Contrast Ratio 40,000:1 (All 1080p Models)

You can see why Panny likes to compare the figures to the 2007 models.

I wonder if this holds ture for the 720p models as well?
2007 720p Contrast Ratio 10,000:1 (PX75 & PX77)
2008 720p Contrast Ratio 15,000:1 (PX80)
2009 720p Contrast Ratio 30,000:1 (X Series)
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It just looks like the contrast is set wayyyy too high on the neo models. Some of those shots look really bad and washed out. I don't know who could comfortably watch it at 100%. I guess it's a plus though because they will be nice and bright in the stores to compete with lcd. I still don't get why they are comparing them to the 2007 models. Is it possible that there isn't as much of an improvement over the 08 models as we were led to believe?

Where are you getting these pictures from? Link?
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It just looks like the contrast is set wayyyy too high on the neo models. Some of those shots look really bad and washed out. I still don't get why they are comparing them to the 2007 models. Is it possible that there isn't as much of an improvement over the 08 models as we were led to believe?

Or maybe no improvement? Or only aesthetically.

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When and where can I get a 65VX100 - needed asap
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I have a question about Vieracast and firmware/feature updates. How has Panasonic been with firmware updates for tv's in the past, especially the current Vieracast models? Since those tv's are internet connected, it seems the Vieracast models would offer simple firmware/feature updates if Panasonic wants to do that.

At the extreme is Tivo who constantly pushes updates to their boxes including adding features that weren't available initially, like the newly added Netflix streaming. Anybody have any speculation or historical reference if Panasonic's Viercast models might get updates with additional features/services or even bug fixes in the future? That might justify jumping from the S-series to the G-series if the later is more likely to get updated via firmware.
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It just looks like the contrast is set wayyyy too high on the neo models. Some of those shots look really bad and washed out. I don't know who could comfortably watch it at 100%. I guess it's a plus though because they will be nice and bright in the stores to compete with lcd. I still don't get why they are comparing them to the 2007 models. Is it possible that there isn't as much of an improvement over the 08 models as we were led to believe?

Where are you getting these pictures from? Link?

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I have a question about Vieracast and firmware/feature updates. How has Panasonic been with firmware updates for tv's in the past, especially the current Vieracast models? Since those tv's are internet connected, it seems the Vieracast models would offer simple firmware/feature updates if Panasonic wants to do that.

At the extreme is Tivo who constantly pushes updates to their boxes including adding features that weren't available initially, like the newly added Netflix streaming. Anybody have any speculation or historical reference if Panasonic's Viercast models might get updates with additional features/services or even bug fixes in the future? That might justify jumping from the S-series to the G-series if the later is more likely to get updated via firmware.

They have been good about fixing bugs in the past.
New features? None that I am aware of, but I really don't expect new features.
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When and where can I get a 65VX100 - needed asap

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I think the white crush is probably just a limitation of the camera taking the pictures. When I try to take pictures of my old KV-32XBR450 crt, I can never capture all the contrast with just one photo. I have to merge a couple into an .hdr. That's with a newer DSLR shot in RAW format. This was shot with an old Nikon D100, probably in jpeg mode. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about picture quality based on images posted on a webpage.
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When and where can I get a 65VX100 - needed asap

It is strange how that display has sort of been MIA thus far. The original pre-release info by HDGuru had pegged it for December, but we've not heard a peep from Panasonic on it since. In fact, Panasonic has never even officially acknowledged this product (product line, actually) with a press release to my knowledge. Either it is something they are putting almost no marketing effort behind whatsoever, or plans have been changed. You might try to call a custom installer in your area (or find one on the forum) and ask them if they have any news on the VX100. I suspect that this product may not even be sold in high end retail stores, like Magnolia. It may be truly a custom install product only, which would mean it will end up being even more pricey that the $10000 MSRP would suggest.
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Here is the link from the Panasonic Pro web site, I did not notice it to began with
http://www.panasonic.com/business/pl...sma-series.asp

I have been told by an installer in Portland Or that they are close to being released.

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It is strange how that display has sort of been MIA thus far. The original pre-release info by HDGuru had pegged it for December, but we've not heard a peep from Panasonic on it since. In fact, Panasonic has never even officially acknowledged this product (product line, actually) with a press release to my knowledge. Either it is something they are putting almost no marketing effort behind whatsoever, or plans have been changed. You might try to call a custom installer in your area (or find one on the forum) and ask them if they have any news on the VX100. I suspect that this product may not even be sold in high end retail stores, like Magnolia. It may be truly a custom install product only, which would mean it will end up being even more pricey that the $10000 MSRP would suggest.

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Here is the link from the Panasonic Pro web site, I did not notice it to began with
http://www.panasonic.com/business/pl...sma-series.asp

I have been told by an installer in Portland Or that they are close to being released.

Wow, cool, thanks for the link.

Interesting that the 50" model has lesser specs than the 65", and in fact has the same contrast ratio as the newly announced 1080p models from CES.
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I was thinking the same thing. I'm debating a 58PZ800 now with the price drop (Thanks CP) or waiting for a 54 V series set. I have very light sensitive eyes and a really bright display really irritates them so this concerns me with the new model line.

Decisions,decisions...

Uou guys will be waiting a long time.....around 5 months.
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Uou guys will be waiting a long time.....around 5 months.

That and the tempting prices are killing me I need my finance manager at home to give me a green light
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Here is the link from the Panasonic Pro web site, I did not notice it to began with
http://www.panasonic.com/business/pl...sma-series.asp

I have been told by an installer in Portland Or that they are close to being released.

Thanks, Bob. On the site linked, i see there's a search mode for "Panasonic Premier" dealers that carry the VX models - click on the specific model for details. Personally I'm more interested in this 65" model than waiting till Fall for a 65" pro model neoPDP.
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No mention of the TRU2WAY Tuners in the new models?
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