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post #541 of 3994 Old 01-17-2009, 07:17 PM
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Yes that is ideal, however, consider the fact that they have the 46" and 55" models that they have added, which could either do one or two things. Bring the 50" down closer to the 46" and/or place the 55" up near the 58". So they can do a variety of things with the pricing based on the model numbers that they added.

54" plasmas.
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54" plasmas.

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I think everyone is bothered by ABL, sure some will say they are fine with it now but just wait until these displays come out and they will change their tune

Fine one year garbage the next.

I fully agree with you. I think people grow accustomed to living with flaws. I mean, the ABL to begin with is a limitation of the display and not step up feature. Many here defend things until they see something better. Some people said the 8Gs were bright enough and the 9Gs are brighter and they are happier. My prediction is the same as yours. Some tunes will change if NeoPDPs and 10Gs deliver.
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wow!

The only thing I didn't like was having to put that big coil close to it.
My guess is that the range is very poor.

but still, very cool
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... any idea when we count to get the technical specifications for the new model´s ?

I´m very interested in getting information about size, prize and kind of the screen surface of the two new 46"-screens (G10, S1).

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... any idea when we count to get the technical specifications for the new model´s ?

I´m very interested in getting information about size, prize and kind of the screen surface of the two new 46"-screens (G10, S1).

I'm interested in those exact same two models and sizes (leaning for towards the 46G10). Unfortunately a 50" is physically too tall for my TV's location but i can make a 46" work so i'm really glad they're continuing this size for 2009.

Going by the great front view pictures of the 42 inch G10 and S1 from page 4 of this thread it appears the reduced bezel size is now close to the bezel size on the Pro models - and noticeably smaller than the PZ80U and PZ85U models so this is a nice improvement. I like the overall look of the G10, but i really really wish they would have offered a 46" version of the V-series because that one sheet of glass design is teh sexo

The information that's out says they have the Anti Reflective Filter so i'm presuming this is either unchanged or of very little improvement over the current AR Filter. The current one works great so i expect the same of the new models.

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Even still it's hard for me to understand how people can not be bothered when full white scenes look so grayish and polarized.

It would definitly bother me if my my whites looked greyish.
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... any idea when we count to get the technical specifications for the new model´s ?

I´m very interested in getting information about size, prize and kind of the screen surface of the two new 46"-screens (G10, S1).

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Sometime in the next 2-4 months
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Look around in the real world and tell me where you see all these "true whites"?

They are very rare. Even snow is rarely "true white".

Take a sheet of bleached white paper outside in sunlight and blind yourself with all the true white you can handle if that's what you are into.
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wow!

The only thing I didn't like was having to put that big coil close to it.
My guess is that the range is very poor.

but still, very cool

It's just a big transformer.
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I know this is purely speculation, but would anybody care to guess as to whether Cosco will be carrying the V10 series when they come out in May?

It seems that the web site occasionally had the 50" 800u for sale even though they weren't in stores, so that's encouraging.
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It's just a big transformer.

IT would be cool if they could put the transformer in a box that looks like set-top box. You could put it with your reciever and have a certain range.

Talk about NICE!!

having a new panny or kuromasterplasmaticdisplay with wireless HDMI and something like this would be simpy da-shiznit.

being able to hang your Flatpanel up like a picture with no cords whatsoever.

man the future looks good.
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I know this is purely speculation, but would anybody care to guess as to whether Cosco will be carrying the V10 series when they come out in May?

It seems that the web site occasionally had the 50" 800u for sale even though they weren't in stores, so that's encouraging.

The PZ800U (and the PZ700U before it) didn't appear at Costco online until more than halfway into the model year, and even then it very briefly supplemented the regular Costco models (PC77U, HD18 and FD18, etc) then they disappeared within a week or two. It seems like Panasonic had a surplus of these higher end models and may have struck a deal to unload them to Costco for a blowout sale since they weren't moving fast enough at the BBs and CCs.

I would guess that if Costco does the same thing this year, expect them to first get their own versions of the entry level models several months after the regular models debut in B&Ms, then as the better models near the end of their production runs then Costco might do a special purchase.

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The PZ800U (and the PZ700U before it) didn't appear at Costco online until more than halfway into the model year, and even then it very briefly supplemented the regular Costco models (PC77U, HD18 and FD18, etc) then they disappeared within a week or two. It seems like Panasonic had a surplus of these higher end models and may have struck a deal to unload them to Costco for a blowout sale since they weren't moving fast enough at the BBs and CCs.

I would guess that if Costco does the same thing this year, expect them to first get their own versions of the entry level models several months after the regular models debut in B&Ms, then as the better models near the end of their production runs then Costco might do a special purchase.

We gee, that's not what I wanted to hear at all! Thanks for the info though. I wonder which B&M stores we can expect to carry the V series, especially now that CC is RIP?
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Look around in the real world and tell me where you see all these "true whites"?

They are very rare. Even snow is rarely "true white".

Take a sheet of bleached white paper outside in sunlight and blind yourself with all the true white you can handle if that's what you are into.

On the next sunny or partially cloudy day, look up in sky and tell me if you whites an off white that most plasmas display.
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Look around in the real world and tell me where you see all these "true whites"?

They are very rare. Even snow is rarely "true white".

Take a sheet of bleached white paper outside in sunlight and blind yourself with all the true white you can handle if that's what you are into.

Ever been to Utah?
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I'm looking to buy a plasma in march (i take delivery of my place in march). Now, what I'm wondering is if you guys think i should go ahead and buy a plasma now 50pz85 or the 800U if it drops in price or if I should wait for the new line? I'm just afraid that the new lineup is going to be really overpriced...
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I'm looking to buy a plasma in march (i take delivery of my place in march). Now, what I'm wondering is if you guys think i should go ahead and buy a plasma now 50pz85 or the 800U if it drops in price or if I should wait for the new line? I'm just afraid that the new lineup is going to be really overpriced...

I don't believe its a question of overpriced, but discounts won't be available immediately as they are on the 11G series. The X, S, and G models will be the first to release in March around 50". The X should meet your price requirements, although it will be 768p. Not sure with the S and G. Should be close...

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Hi All,

It now looks like only Panasonic will be offering 46" Plasmas but it seems not across the range. No one else at CES 2009 launched any 46" models so I am now assuming they will not be doing so in the future. My first option then would by default be the 46" G10 and I am now wondering how this set will compare in terms of black levels with the new onslaught of upcoming LED Backlit LCD models from the likes of Samsung, LG & Toshiba? To be honest, I have now given up any hope for a 42" or 46" Kuro set from Pioneer which I would have jumped on and even waited till the end of the year for but I am now really fed up of hoping I will ever get a Kuro within my size limitations. I am a little upset that there is no 46" V series as aesthetically at least it is far better looking than the drab G10 (imo)!


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Hi All,

It now looks like only Panasonic will be offering 46" Plasmas but it seems not across the range. No one else at CES 2009 launched any 46" models so I am now assuming they will not be doing so in the future. My first option then would by default be the 46" G10 and I am now wondering how this set will compare in terms of black levels with the new onslaught of upcoming LED Backlit LCD models from the likes of Samsung, LG & Toshiba? To be honest, I have now given up any hope for a 42" or 46" Kuro set from Pioneer which I would have jumped on and even waited till the end of the year for but I am now really fed up of hoping I will ever get a Kuro within my size limitations. I am a little upset that there is no 46" V series as aesthetically at least it is far better looking than the drab G10 (imo)!


Bazzy!

I can understand your situation. But place yourself in Pioneer's shoes and say is there a high demand for 46" 1080p displays. I would go to say most people will select either a 42", 50", or 60".

From Pioneer's perspective, financially reproducing a 42" is not cost effective for them. Also they only have a total of 8 models within their lineup. 5020FD, 6020FD, 111FD, 151FD, 101FD, 141FD, KRP-500M, KRP-600M. You can only select between 50" or 60". Its much more cost effective to reproduce two sizes.

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I can understand your situation. But place yourself in Pioneer's shoes and say is there a high demand for 46" 1080p displays. I would go to say most people will select either a 42", 50", or 60".

From Pioneer's perspective, financially reproducing a 42" is not cost effective for them. Also they only have a total of 8 models within their lineup. 5020FD, 6020FD, 111FD, 151FD, 101FD, 141FD, KRP-500M, KRP-600M. You can only select between 50" or 60". Its much more cost effective to reproduce two sizes.

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My first option then would by default be the 46" G10 and I am now wondering how this set will compare in terms of black levels with the new onslaught of upcoming LED Backlit LCD models from the likes of Samsung, LG & Toshiba?

It sounds like even some of the current LED backlit LCD's are on-par with all but the Kuro black levels. Unfortunately, what they've gained in black level, they've regressed in viewing angle. Some of the LCD's had pretty much solved the viewing angle issue, but almost every review I've read of the LED backlit models have commented on their poor off-angle performance, some even struggling to maintain contrast at the end of the couch instead of directly in front of the tv.

If the new crop of plasmas are in fact brighter and/or less power hungry, I really don't see what performance advantage LCD has, LED-backlit or otherwise. Of course, what is available in the size you want is a factor as you've expressed.
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The question now becomes, what will be cost effective for them: 50, 58, and 65?

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If you are referring to Pioneer their could be a possibility that a 50", 58", and 65" could be produced. Will they be affordable given the market conditions? Not sure. But this could give Pioneer a larger market push.

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Why is anyone posting anything about Pioneer here?
Please remove all the G10 posts.
Including this 1.
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Why is anyone posting anything about Pioneer here?
Please remove all the G10 posts.
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Panasonic has a G10 model line, the step up to their S line.

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I really wish that Panasonic released their 58inch and up sets along side their smaller ones. As it stands now the new NEO's are a rather large step forward but if you want a larger screen you have to either accept the lesser (but still good) 800 series or wait even longer for the August release. Now if they weren't a big leap forward, I wouldn't care as much, but they are a large leap forward (especially if they eliminate the green phosphor lag that some of us can see)

It just seems odd that they wait so long to release their larger sets, especially when the new models are revealed and they are selling the lesser units for months along side the upgraded models. (I will find it hard to justify getting a 58pz800 when they are selling the 50v along side it with a 58v coming soon)

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^^^^ I am here to say that the only units that had a movie of any kind on where the TC-P54Z1 and 150" unit so for one to say the V, S or G series was unimpressive is crazy. V, S or G series only had information displayed on the series in a slide show. ( LOL, some review.)

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My biggest regret as far as not waiting is the fact that the new pannys will have the amazon unbox feature built in. Now my regret may be relief if it is not properly integrated but I hope it is to get the digital distribution ball rolling.
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My biggest regret as far as not waiting is the fact that the new pannys will have the amazon unbox feature built in. Now my regret may be relief if it is not properly integrated but I hope it is to get the digital distribution ball rolling.

That's easy enough to fix, it will be available on the new Blu-ray players.
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Now if they weren't a big leap forward, I wouldn't care as much, but they are a large leap forward (especially if they eliminate the green phosphor lag that some of us can see)

This to me is the major question. Phosphor lag is the one thing that has kept me from buying a plasma. I am a classic film buff so I watch alot of black and white movies. For this the lag problem is brutal. At times I see flashes that are like a slowly pulsing strobe light. I had to return the plasma I bought due to this problem and exchange it for a Samsung LCD. Hopefully they can remedy this so I can do away with the motion blur and piss poor viewing angles for good.
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