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It looks like a 50inch S series Neo PDP is in my future then.

Any side shots of the set? I'm curious if it has the slim design or is more bulky (don't really care either way) and the increase of Motion resolution really has me excited as well as I am hoping it means goodbye to green phosphor trails once and for all. And any word on improved IR resistance? Not really needed as current Panny's are already really good, but there is always room for improvement.
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eww... Silver cabinets FTL...

Here's to keeping black TVs.

I'm very anxious to see what prices and performance will look like on these new sets... Looks like we'll be waiting until at least March? Unless any videos surface in the meantime.
It also looks like you will have to get at least the "V" series to get 24p capability. =/
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Shocking pronouncement! Who would have thought D-Nice would say that? ;-)

Why is it shocking? I warned you guys (abet subtle hints) for the past two months that these things were not going to be what they were originally planned to be.

These panels are marked improvement over their predecessors. And they can go much brighter than any panel out there today...including the 9G Kuros Elites with the ISFccc modes. This will make lots of people happy and will finally nix LCD lovers grip about PDPs.
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Why is it shocking? I warned you guys (abet subtle hints) for the past two months that these things were not going to be what they were originally planned to be.

These panels are marked improvement over their predecessors. And they can go much brighter than any panel out there today...including the 9G Kuros Elites with the ISFccc modes. This will make lots of people happy and will finally nix LCD lovers grip about PDPs.

I am a bit disapointed but it makes sense. Panasonic has to win in the showroom against the LCD. It took some serious convincing to get my brother to buy a Plasma and not an LCD this Christmas (sub 2K budget).

He believed me finally when he looked at the white crush in the showroom.

Do you know if the V10's are all single sheet of glass designs?

- Rich
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Do you know if the V10's are all single sheet of glass designs?

- Rich

The V series is the replacement for the current 800/850 series. The "signle sheet of glass" design is the same as the 800/850 series.
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Do you know if the V10's are all single sheet of glass designs?

- Rich

Strange as it seems, apparently they're not. Only the 50" is a single sheet. This information comes from Panasonic's own site. Here's the link: http://www.panasonic.com/promos/CES/2009/ From there click on "VIERA HDTV's Learn More" then "Learn More" again.
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D-Nice, have you been set loose on the pricing info yet?
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Hi All,

Call me picky but I still do not think that these new Panny's are anything very special to look at aesthetically - they kind of look drab except for the single sheet glass models and even they still have those crazy wide bezels. I was really hoping Panasonic would get a decent set of designers to produce some visually attractive sets but it seems they have just tweaked up on last years awful designs - what is it with Panasonic and the Lip design - I really hate it - it kind of makes me think they just wanted to add a design feature for the sake of it and some buffoon came up with that - imagine having a large set that is constantly (and in my case it would be annoyingly) smiling or frowning at you every time you looked at the damn thing! Oh, and just my luck - the semi-decent looking single sheet models do not come in a 46" model! Whinge over!

Bazzy!
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I think the silver bezel is for the Euro market, i'd be shocked if they go back to that for North America
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I'm just hoping, based on the published specs, that the image quality of the current 800 series is coming down to the new equivalent of the 80/85 series, with maybe even more. If that's the case I will be smiling.

I almost pulled the trigger on an 800 several times in the last month, but ongoing car repairs had me leery to drop the extra cash and various sizes keep going out of stock before their prices drop quite to the level I can reach.

I wanted to get my HDTV before the analog cutoff, but March ain't so bad.
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An attempt to pull everything together so far:






Z1 Series

The flagship VIERA plasma in 2009 is the Z1 series, with a revolutionary one inch thin panel design and Wireless HD connectivity to deliver the ultimate sleek, uncluttered HDTV viewing experience. Also included on the VIERA Z1 is VIERA CAST web menu with the new streaming HD movie rental capability via Amazon Video-on-Demand. The Neo PDP design of the VIERA Z1 produces a brighter picture, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio (40,000:1) and Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution. Other Z1 model features include; 1080p resolution, a THX Certified Display; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and VIERA Link, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The Z1 series will be available in the summer of 2009 in the new TC-54Z1, 54-inch class screen size (54" measured diagonally).

TC-P54Z1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; Summer, 2009
Wireless HD (TM)Connectivity;
thin 1" Design Panel and Tuner
Box configuration; VIERA
CAST(TM); THX(R) Certified
Display; 600Hz Sub-field
Drive; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; 24P Cinematic
Playback, 4 HDMI inputs,
Swivel Base
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V10 Series

The VIERA V10 series are slim, 2-inch thin plasma HDTVs with built-in tuners. The V10 series offer such cutting edge innovations as Digital Cinema Color(TM) which helps to deliver all movie-essential colors, full THX Display certification, and the VIERA CAST web menu with Amazon Video on Demand services. The Neo PDP design of the V10 series features 1080p resolution; deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio of 40,000:1; Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; VIERA Link, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The V10 series is available in a 65-inch class (64.8" measured diagonally), 58-inch class (58" measured diagonally), 54-inch class (54" measured diagonally), and a 50-inch class (49.9" measured diagonally) screen size. The 50-inch model with one-sheet-of-glass design will be available in May 2009 and the remaining models will be available in the summer of 2009.

TC-P65V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1
Infinite Black Panel
TC-P58V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600 Hz Sub-field drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
TC-P54V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; June, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1/
Infinite Black Panel
TC-P50V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; June, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1
Dynamic 1,000,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel, 2" Design
with Single-Sheet-of-Glass,
Swivel Base.
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G10 Series

The VIERA G10 Plasma series include features like the VIERA CAST web menu, a THX certified Display, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The NEO PDP design of the G10 series also offers 1080p resolution, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio of 40,000:1, Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution, an Infinite Black panel, 600Hz Sub-field Drive, as well as Game Mode and VIERA Link. The G10 series will be available in a 54-inch class (54" measured diagonally), 50-inch class (49.9" measured diagonally), 46-inch class (46" measured diagonally), and 42-inch class (41.6" measured diagonally) screen size. The 42-inch, 46-inch and 50-inch HDTVs will be available in March 2009, while the 54-inch model will be available in May 2009.

TC-P54G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; May, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
TC-P50G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
TC-P46G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
TC-P42G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
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S1 Series







The VIERA S1 Plasma series offers a broad range of HDTVs which also represent the first VIERA plasma series to feature the new NEO PDP designs. Key features of the S1 series include Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution, which eliminate traditional HDTV motion blur. The S1 series also feature THX certified displays together with VIERA Image Viewer. Other features include 1080p resolution; a native contrast ratio of 40,000:1; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and a Game Mode. The S1 series will compliment the V10 65" screen size with its own 65-inch class (64.7" measured diagonally) product. Other S1 sizes include a 58-inch class (58" measured diagonally), a 54-inch class (54" measured diagonally), a 50-inch class (49.9" measured diagonally), a 46-inch class (46" measured diagonally), and a 42-inch class (41.6" measured diagonally). The 42-inch, 46-inch and 50-inch HDTVs will be available in March 2009 while the 54-inch will be available in the summer of 2009.

TC-P65S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture Resolution;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel
TC-P58S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel
TC-P54S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; May, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel
TC-P50S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs; Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel
TC-P46S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs; Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel
TC-P42S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel
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X1 Series






Panasonic's focus in 2009 continues to be on high definition 1080p HDTVs but the VIERA X1 series represent a line of 720p plasma HDTVs which help Panasonic deliver on its promise to satisfy consumer demands for differing HDTV resolution options. The X1 VIERA HDTVs offer stunning picture performance with a 600Hz Sub-field Drive that delivers razor-sharp motion focus, VIERA Image Viewer for sharing digital photos with friends and family, and VIERA Link control of all compatible A/V home entertainment components via a single remote. The X1 series also feature improved native contrast ratio of 30,000:1, an Infinite Black panel, and a Game Mode. The VIERA X1 plasmas are available in a 50-inch class (49.9" measured diagonally) and 42-inch class (41.6" measured diagonally).

TC-P50X1 720p Resolution; Over 900 February, 2009
Lines of Moving
Resolution, 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); AR Filter; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
TC-P42X1 720p Resolution; Over 900 February, 2009
Lines of Moving
Resolution, 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); AR Filter; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel
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What is this infinite black panel?

And the G and V series are fugly.
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I think we need to see some more photos on the G series.

because the two that are shown above show a different looking bezel. One has a silver highlight all the way around the bezel and the other one shows no silver trim.

Ace all that silver trim and then you would have a nice looking TV.

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What is this infinite black panel?

And the G and V series are fugly.


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The V series is the replacement for the current 800/850 series. The "signle sheet of glass" design is the same as the 800/850 series.

Which means two sheets of glass.
I think Panasonic has reached a new low in inaccurate marketing:

Single sheet of glass - means two sheets
Infinite Black Level - means not 0 LM blacks
40000:1 contrast rations - means 4000:1
50 Inches - means 49.1 inches

Yikes


- Rich
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These seem like they will be quite good. My only complaint thus far is the lack of native 24p in anything less than 50 inches.
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And the G and V series are fugly.

Ugly?

The G series, maybe... but the V series look amazing, "borderless" - I think it will be well received in design-conscious countries (Europe mostly), no disrespect U.S.
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Which means two sheets of glass.
I think Panasonic has reached a new low in inaccurate marketing:

Single sheet of glass - means two sheets
Infinite Black Level - means not 0 LM blacks
40000:1 contrast rations - means 4000:1
50 Inches - means 49.1 inches

Yikes


- Rich

Okay, but even given all of the above, is there anything other than a Pioneer or a Panasonic worth buying?
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I think we need to see some more photos on the G series.

because the two that are shown above show a different looking bezel. One has a silver highlight all the way around the bezel and the other one shows no silver trim.

Ace all that silver trim and then you would have a nice looking TV.

No silver trim, simply a reflection.
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What is this infinite black panel?

Marketing, nothing more.
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Okay, but even given all of the above, is there anything other than a Pioneer or a Panasonic worth buying?

I would not scratch off Samsung. Although I personally hate the company, they will have some interesting PDPs this year
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The Z-series looks very attractive. The V series has potential and the G & X-series is downright bland. Nice info VFR!

Chris
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I would not scratch off Samsung. Although I personally hate the company, they will have some interesting PDPs this year

Any news on what LG and Hitachi will have to offer?. Also, if you would not be violating a news embargo, do you know if Pioneer will be introducing any Kuro models in the 42 or 46 inch sizes?
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The G10 Series THX cerified and does not do 24p?
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Any news on what LG and Hitachi will have to offer?. Also, if you would not be violating a news embargo, do you know if Pioneer will be introducing any Kuro models in the 42 or 46 inch sizes?

I believe Pioneer is more like 3rd/4th Quarter.

Chris
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600Hz/60Hz=10 subfields/frame. Basically this means less dithering and smoother gradations.

Not necessarily. Pioneer uses 840Hz and they also use more halftoning. It all depends on how they use the subfields.
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The G10 Series THX cerified and does not do 24p?

Yeah, that throws me for a loop as well.
Of course, we need to see prices still, but I'm thinking that the "V" series will be out of my price range. Kind of like the 800 and 850 are right now.
But you don't get 24p anywhere in the "G" series lineup that I can see on those specs... You need to step up to a "V" model.
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Yeah, that throws me for a loop as well.
Of course, we need to see prices still, but I'm thinking that the "V" series will be out of my price range. Kind of like the 800 and 850 are right now.
But you don't get 24p anywhere in the "G" series lineup that I can see on those specs... You need to step up to a "V" model.

I wonder if the G series is the "value" line, why would they go for the THX cert.?
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To Moderators,
Please combine the two links within this thread:

any early news on the 2009/12G panasonics?

Panasonic 2009 Displays at CES

Thanks,
Chris
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I wonder if the G series is the "value" line, why would they go for the THX cert.?

There's too many models...

Looks like the "S" is the value, and "X" is the 720p (uber value).

"G" is somewhere in between... It will be the poor man's "V".
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Not necessarily. Pioneer uses 840Hz and they also use more halftoning. It all depends on how they use the subfields.

True, but if Panasonic hasn't changed the basic driving method, more subfields should allow for more gradations. I really don't like Pioneer method as you would need 15300Hz driving for noise free images.

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