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Does anyone know what the actual difference is between the two models besides the price, and tv tuner/stand? Why would anyone buy a Pro-111fd for twice as much???

The differences are listed in the Kuro comparison thread. Presumably people buy the model that best fits their needs.

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Anyone know what the price difference would be for adding the Pioneer stand and speakers to the 500M? I guess I'm wondering if it's a wash at that point.

Only if you're paying MSRP.
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I think the addition of a tuner, stand, and speakers makes the 111FD the better option here.

The last questioner was aware that the 111 came with tuner, stand and speakers and the monitors do not. It would seem that those weren't critical items.
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The last questioner was aware that the 111 came with tuner, stand and speakers and the monitors do not. It would seem that those weren't critical items.

The original requestor, however, did not. So, my response remains the same.
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Something else that I've come to appreciate on my 600M is the fact that it's only 2.5" thick. Compared to my old 4" thick 50" plasma, it's much larger, yet noticeably flusher to the wall. It was also lighter and easier to mount than the 50".

I believe the 111FD is 3.75" thick whereas the 500M is only 2.5".
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The original requestor, however, did not. So, my response remains the same.

Okay, in that case the question was is there a difference in PQ and the answer is yes, the 500M is better.
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i have seen them both and the 111 is superior

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Okay, in that case the question was is there a difference in PQ and the answer is yes, the 500M is better.

So if you bought and installed the patch, the 500M would look better than the PRO-111FD and the PRO-101FD?
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Isn’t the 600M devoid of 10g goodness?

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No. I've seen all 3 and on a no-signal input the 101 & 500 may be a bit darker but when watching real content really no difference between the 3 sets.
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No. I've seen all 3 and on a no-signal input the 101 & 500 may be a bit darker but when watching real content really no difference between the 3 sets.

Thanks. I have a 111 and I get the shakes when I hear other people's sets are darker.

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hehe.. maybe I'm also a bit biased. I have the 5020, 111 & 151. I did check out the 101 when I was shopping last year & couldn't see much diff. Also compared them again at a friend's house recently & no change. Guess I'm just very easy to please .
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So if you bought and installed the patch, the 500M would look better than the PRO-111FD and the PRO-101FD?

The patch isn't the issue. The 500M and the 101FD have the same panel module (glass and supporting electronics) which is a newer design than the 111FD. The OP asked about the 500M vs the 111FD. The 500M is better. As is the 101FD.

Whether or not it's perceptibly better depends on the observer and the circumstance.

Personally I wouldn't pick a 500M over a 111FD on the basis of PQ. I picked a 500M because I wanted a Kuro monitor and paying the premium for a Signature is silly unless you believe ISFccc is essential to your viewing pleasure.

Of course I doubt any of this is relevant to the OP because they posted only three times, on the same day, five months ago.
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Can I connect a Cable Box to the 500m and get a picture? Or do I need a built in tuner for this?
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Can I connect a Cable Box to the 500m and get a picture? Or do I need a built in tuner for this?

The cable box is the tuner, so your setup would work just fine with the 500M. You would need a tuner in the tv, for example, if you wanted to watch tv without the use of a cablebox. The 500M does not have an internal tuner so you will always need to use some sort of external OTA, satellite, or cable tuner (like a cablebox) in order to watch television with it.
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I've heard in a few posts on this forum that shipments from the end of the year and the beginning of this year have noticeably better black levels than when the 500M was released.


What you most likely read about is 2008 models vs 2009 in adjustments but that's not for 500M I believe. 500M has the same video processing as 111FD but newer 10G parts (PDP I believe) that give it deeper blacks. BTW I have a brand new stand for the 500M for sale if you choose to go that route.
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500M has the same video processing as 111FD but newer 10G parts (PDP I believe) that give it deeper blacks.

Every time someone says that I feel a litte dagger in my heart.

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Don't forget the Monitors are slim and sexy....


Very true, I love the thin profile on my 500M Don't forget to get the ISF patch either guys, with D-Nice's ISF Day/Night settings now available, its a no brainer.
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Every time someone says that I feel a litte dagger in my heart.

Ha why? The 111FD is an awesome TV. I've had a chance to use the 111FD in Magnolia and yes the blacks aren't as deep as the 500M but they're not THAT much worse either. Nothing worth getting worried over anyway.
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Ha why? The 111FD is an awesome TV. I've had a chance to use the 111FD in Magnolia and yes the blacks aren't as deep as the 500M but they're not THAT much worse either. Nothing worth getting worried over anyway.

I guess I'm an obsessive compulsive freak. I bought the 111 ELITE because I thought I was getting the best minus the Sig series of course. And the cost saving too is kind of nice as well. Just say the blacks aren't that great and make me feel better.

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I guess I'm an obsessive compulsive freak. I bought the 111 ELITE because I thought I was getting the best minus the Sig series of course. And the cost saving too is kind of nice as well. Just say the blacks aren't that great and make me feel better.

Well I thought that D-Nice did a 180 turn on the opinion of the darker blacks. It was referenced in another thread, and I didn't find the original post. But apparently it was said that after break-in the blacks of 600M and 500M were more or less identical. Honestly that doesn't make much sense that breakin would raise or lower the black floor, but who knows, some voodoo magic maybe
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I guess I'm an obsessive compulsive freak. I bought the 111 ELITE because I thought I was getting the best minus the Sig series of course. And the cost saving too is kind of nice as well. Just say the blacks aren't that great and make me feel better.


They're so close it's really not even worth worrying about. The reason I went with the 500M over 111FD at BB was because it was slightly cheaper and it had a thinner profile which I wanted. The black level wasn't even a factor.
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Interesting. All kidding aside I'd like to see the 500M in a light controlled room. On my 111 the blacks melt into the bezel ninety five percent of the time and only on mostly black screens is it apparent that there is a slight glow. My bias lighting pretty much gets to a ninety nine percent of the time. What really bugs me is that there ain't gonna be let's wait until next year for Pio fans.

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Well I thought that D-Nice did a 180 turn on the opinion of the darker blacks. It was referenced in another thread, and I didn't find the original post. But apparently it was said that after break-in the blacks of 600M and 500M were more or less identical. Honestly that doesn't make much sense that breakin would raise or lower the black floor, but who knows, some voodoo magic maybe


I don't recall him ever doing a 180 on it. This is the only comment from him I could find that comes close: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...98&postcount=7
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Interesting. All kidding aside I'd like to see the 500M in a light controlled room. On my 111 the blacks melt into the bezel ninety five percent of the time and only on mostly black screens is it apparent that there is a slight glow. My bias lighting pretty much gets to a ninety nine percent of the time. What really bugs me is that there ain't gonna be let's wait until next year for Pio fans.


Ah well I don't use any bias lighting on mine. The blacks are indistinguishable from the bezel but that depends on content. I've noticed really old tv shows don't do this when credits roll but the newer 1080i stuff looks completely black. The same holds true for newer vs older dvd releases. BD is always black though.
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Ah well I don't use any bias lighting on mine. The blacks are indistinguishable from the bezel but that depends on content. I've noticed really old tv shows don't do this when credits roll but the newer 1080i stuff looks completely black. The same holds true for newer vs older dvd releases. BD is always black though.

That's pretty cool. So in your opinion almost perfect except for purely black screens?

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Every time someone says that I feel a litte dagger in my heart.

Hurts, doesn't it? I keep going back and forth about whether I should keep my calibrated 111 or pick up a 500M...did anyone ever spill the beans on ISF settings for the M's?
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That's pretty cool. So in your opinion almost perfect except for purely black screens?


Like I said, it depends on the source. If it's a 1080i/p source, the blacks are completely dark and match the bezel. If it's an older 480i source, the blacks sometimes do not melt into the bezel and look a bit lighter. BD titles always have full blacks that match the bezel. Here's a 1080p picture I took using output from my PC:




At the time I took this picture, the TV wasn't even calibrated so it looks even better now. It was taken using an old camera so in reality it looks quite nicer in person.
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Hurts, doesn't it? I keep going back and forth about whether I should keep my calibrated 111 or pick up a 500M...did anyone ever spill the beans on ISF settings for the M's?


D-nice posted the ISF settings for the 500M last night.
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Like I said, it depends on the source. If it's a 1080i/p source, the blacks are completely dark and match the bezel. If it's an older 480i source, the blacks sometimes do not melt into the bezel and look a bit lighter. BD titles always have full blacks that match the bezel. Here's a 1080p picture I took using output from my PC:




At the time I took this picture, the TV wasn't even calibrated so it looks even better now. It was taken using an old camera so in reality it looks quite nicer in person.

Hmm I'll have to check the difference between a BD and a regular DVD. I'm on the list to have D-Nice calibrate my 111 this September. I'm wondering if the perceived black level will improve.

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