Originally Posted by Rod#S
Thanks for posting your findings. That's a real bummer what you are seeing with Standard. With my BluRay player because I am seeing judder with Advance I was hoping for another mode that runs 72Hz. There is no judder with Standard but if it is running at 60Hz then it's technically not an ideal setting. Now if Off happens to run at 72Hz that would be my fall back setting but based on the results from the 9gs they are running at 60Hz for all sources but it is possible that our 8Gs do things differently. I wish this wasn't so hard to figure out. With the price these tvs cost you would think Pioneer would show some good will and just come clean showing a very nice level of customer support.
I think the judder we notice in PC advance is due to the low 24fps of film and not 3:2 pulldown judder. My other tv set (panny pz85) accepts 24p but always displays it @60hz with pull down, never noticed the same judder I see in the kuro with 3:3 pulldown, 72hz enabled. I think using Standard is ok if you are bothered by 24p judder, it would add 3:2 judder but for most it is preferible and not as distracting as 24p judder.
I was using PC off for 1080p24 before I tried the test I did, now I use advance till further tests are made. Even if both use 72hz, my test indicates they both act different (w/advance flickering faster??, besides being dimmer). And as advance is recommended with 1080p24, it's the setting I use just to be on the safe side. I just cannot understand what advance does different vs off when receiving a 24p signal, I know they both flicker, so they must be using 72hz, they both have the same 24p judder, so both do 3:3 pulldown. What causes the dimming then? And the faster flickering with advance on my test? We might never know for sure I guess.
I love my 8g kuro, the only reason I envy the 9g is not the black levels, but that they fixed the bug with pure cinema advance losing cadence when playing 480i and 1080i sources (maybe it still does lose cadence in the 9g but the panel is locked @72hz, preventing the artifacts that showed on the 8g as it reverted to 60hz). I always thought a new firmware would fix that in the 8g but it never came. Now with pioneer getting out of the tv business I wish they would release the firmware code so I could tinker with it and maybe find a fix.