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Here is a comparison chart I have composed so far for all the info. available. Hope it helps.

The North American M-Series is NOT a direct import from Europe or any other part of the world. It is designated for the custom installer market in North America. Although the specification is very similar to the European M-Series, they have different firmware (i.e. No ISFccc mode - See Note in the 3rd section) in North America

  xx20 M (N. America) 111/151 101/141 A (Europe) LX-XX90
Physical            
Speakers Bottom* Optional Side None Optional Optional
Stand Raised Optional Normal Optional Optional Optional
Depth 3.75" 2.5" 3.75" 2.5" 2.5" 3.75
HDMI 4 2 4 4 4 3
DVI-D(HDCP) 0 1 0 1 0 0
D-SUB 15** 1 1 1 1 1 1
USB 1 0 1 0 1 1
Component 1 1 1 1 1 1
Composite 3 1 3 1 1 1
S-Video 1 0 1 0 0 0
Audio-In*** 5 2 5 0 2 3
Sensors 1 Light 1 Light 2 Color/Light 1 Light 2 Color/Light 1 Light
IR Repeater 0 1 1 1 0 0
Digital Audio Out 1 0 1 0 1 1
RS-232 1 1 1 1 2 1
LAN**** 1 (For HMG) 1 (For WCS) 1 (For HMG) 1 (For WCS) 1 (For HMG) 0
ANT Terminal 1 0 1 0 7***** 5******
AR Filter xx20 Specific Elite Specific+ Elite Specific Elite Specific Unknown Unknown
Media Receiver No No No No Separate No
  • *xx20 Speaker can be mounted on the top; Side mounting Elite speakers also work.
  • **The D-SUB 15 Connection seems to be able to configure for Component video.
  • ***Including both RCA and Headphone jacks
  • ****HMG=Home Media Gallary; WCS=Web Control System
  • *****Euro-SCART: 3; CI Slot: 2; Ant: 2;
  • ******Euro-SCART: 3; CI Slot: 1; Ant: 1;
  • + It is known that the M series share the same replacement PDP parts (AWU1378 for the 500M & 101; AWU1347 for the 600M, 151 & 141) and service manual with the Signature series. However, the glass is not hand picked like the Elites.
  • The Pro-111fd speaker brackets will need some modification to fit on the KRP-500M. The Pro-151fd speaker brackets fit on the KRP-600M with NO modification needed.
  • The Pro-151fd stand can be used on Pro-141fd and KRP-600m. Parts Number: AXY1212 - STAND ACCESSORY ASSY (Nuts & Screws); AXY1221 - BASE COVER ASS'Y; AXY1222 - STAND PIPE L ASS'Y (Need to order 2). You can order them directly from Pioneer Parts: http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...lNum=PRO-151FD.

  xx20 M (N. America) 111/151 101/141 A (Europe) LX-XX90
Picture Control            
Optimum Yes (Light) Yes (Light) Yes (L & C) Yes (Light) Yes (L & C) Yes (Light)
Performance* Performance Standard Performance Standard Standard Standard
Dynamic Yes Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Movie Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Pure No Yes Yes Yes Yes No
Sport Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes
Game Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Standard** Standard User Standard User User User
Contrast Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Brightness Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Color Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Tint Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Sharpness Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Color Temp Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Gamma Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
  • Optimum: automatically adjusts the image quality for the brightness level of the viewing area
  • *Performance: for a highly defined image in a normally bright room (called "Standard" in M, 101/141 and A)
  • Dynamic: for a very sharp image with maximum contrast but manual image quality adjustment unavailable
  • Movies: for movies
  • Pure: reflects input signals as faithfully as possible for checking image materials, for example
  • Sport: for sports programs
  • Game: lowers image brightness for easier viewing
  • **Standard: allows customizing settings as desired (called "User" in M, 101/141 and A)

  -- xx20 -- M (N. America) 111/151 101/141 A (Europe) LX-XX90
Pro-Adjust Control            
Intelligent Mode No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
DRE Picture Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Black Level Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Automatic Contrast Limiter Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Enhancer Mode Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Color Transient Improvement Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Color Space (Mode 1 & 2) Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
3DYC Fixed Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
I-P Mode No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Drive Mode No Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Game Control Pref. Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Blue Only Mode No Yes No Yes No No
ISFccc (Day, Night, Auto) No No# D, N & A D, N & A D, N & A D,N; "H": D,N,A
  • 3DYC: optimizes characteristics for separating brightness signals from color signals (Off, High, Mid, Low)
  • I-P Mode: provides optimum conversion from interlace signals to progressive signals (1=Optimizes video images; 2=Standard setting; 3=Optimizes still images)
  • Drive Mode: switches image display frequency (1=Standard settings; 2=Enhances readability for horizontally scrolling text; 3=Optimizes movie content)
  • Game Control Pref.: establishes a gaming preference for image quality or operability (Off=Image quality preferred; On=Operability preferred)
  • Blue Only Mode: displays images in blue only (Off, On)
  • # By Using a Custom Profile (NOT Supported by Pioneer) developed by ControlCal, North America M-series can have ISFccc Auto, Day, Night enabled. ControlCal will also provide a rollback profile in order for owners to avoid any potential warranty dispute with Pioneer. For details, contact ControlCal at www.controlcal.com.

  xx20 M (N. America) 111/151 101/141 A (Europe) LX-XX90
Other Spec.            
Factory Break-in Unknown 50 Hours 50 Hours 100 Hours Unknown Unknown
Power Consumption* 436W/524W 396W/492W 436W/524W 384W/481W 440W/530W** 420W/510W
Weight*** 74.1/112.0 lbs 69.2/110 lbs 74.5/112.4 lbs 69.2/110 lbs 69.2/110 lbs 73.9/112 lbs
Speakers 18W+18W(6Ω) 6Ω-16Ω/9W+9W@6Ω 18W+18W(6Ω) N/A 18W+18W(6Ω) 18W+18W(6Ω)
Warranty 1 1 2 2 1 1
Note: First number is for the 50"; Second is for the 60".
  • *All models standby consume less than 0.3W (N. America)/0.4W (Europe).
  • **Combined both the panel and media receiver (52W).
  • ***Weight are without stand, speakers and/or media receiver.
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PDP-6020FD Review by D-Nice: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...73&postcount=2

PRO-111FD Reviewed by D-Nice: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...84&postcount=3

PDP-5020FD vs. KRP-500M vs. KRP-600M Reviewed by Elite-Home: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post16224139
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Very very nice! Thats what I was hoping to see posted on here. It makes it so much easier to compare. Thank you so much!
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It may be worth noting that the Signatures and Elites share a different AR filter than the xx20s do. I'm not sure about the M series.
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It may be worth noting that the Signatures and Elites share a different AR filter than the xx20s do. I'm not sure about the M series.

Great product table.

All the information I have recieved indicates that the Elite color filter is in the M's and Elites (of course).

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It may be worth noting that the Signatures and Elites share a different AR filter than the xx20s do. I'm not sure about the M series.

AR filter added to the "Physical" Section. Thanks.
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Soso...impressive buddy!

Let alone features and inputs...the 141FD and 600M are essentially same panels, regardless how you slice it (Pioneer or Elite) badges.

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Great job. You might want to add something about Game Pref mode, which is available when in game mode. I'm not sure what it does, but it makes 480i content look quite different (at least on the 8Gs).
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Great job. You might want to add something about Game Pref mode, which is available when in game mode. I'm not sure what it does, but it makes 480i content look quite different (at least on the 8Gs).

According to the manual, all 9G Kuro have Game Pref Mode and it seems to work exactly the same across all models. Please let me know what exactly should I include. Thanks.
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According to the manual, all 9G Kuro have Game Pref Mode and it seems to work exactly the same across all models. Please let me know what exactly should I include. Thanks.

You include a description of the various picture presets at the bottom of the second chart, and they are the same across all models (except Pure).
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You include a description of the various picture presets at the bottom of the second chart, and they are the same across all models (except Pure).

Got it. Thanks.
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Very nice. You may want to consider adding the different warranty's

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You can actually mount the speaker for at least the 5020 on top if you wish - there are screw holes that can be used to mount it on top as you would on the bottom. That is what I did. Still trying to decide which way I like it best.

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Nice chart, great job.

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SoSo,

This will really help those considering all of the pioneer models. It really simplifies the features.
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Wow! Excellent job!!! Thank you!

Would I be imposing if I asked for a chart like this for Pure Cinema modes and refresh rates?
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PureCinema Mode is the same across all models:

PureCinema Mode
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Film Mode Off deactivates PureCinema
  Standard (not available for input signals 480p, 720p @60Hz, or 1080p @60Hz) automatically detects recorded image data when displaying DVD or high-definition images (e.g., movies) having 24 frames per second for smooth and vivid playback
  Smooth (not available for input signals 1080p @60 Hz) produces smoother and more vivid moving images
  Advance (not available for input signals 1080p @60 Hz) converts theatre-quality images to 72 Hz when displaying DVD images (e.g., movies) having 24 frames per second for smooth and vivid playback
Text Optimization Off deactivates text optimization
  On improves subtitle display quality
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You might want to add a speaker compatibility for the xxM line, that is, once we know what it is.

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Great job SoSo! I'll get you the speaker compatibility tomorrow. Much thanks.

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Cool, was looking for something like this...

So, where can I get the M-series? I haven't seen one locally.

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Anyone with the knowledge to do something similar for the European lines?

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Cool, was looking for something like this...

So, where can I get the M-series? I haven't seen one locally.

The M-Series are designed and sold via custom install market. You are not likely to find them in any big box shop. In the U.S., there are some authorized internet dealers that have them. In Canada, you might need to call around your local install shops. I have no idea.
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Nice chart.

As listed however the chart gives the impression that many of the built-in processing features are entirely absent in the XX20 series. They are not. They are present and active with various built-in settings but not individually adjustable.

Settings like DRE, Black Level, CTI etc. are active with preset values that change with the various A/V modes. I list the preset values (as well as the general range of color temps available) of most of the processing features of the Kuro XX20 series in this post.


A/V Mode ---- DRE --- Black Level --- ACL --- Enhancer --- Gamma --- CTI
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Dynamic------ High ------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Performance-- Mid -------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Movie-------- Off -------- On ------- Off ------- 2 ---------- 1 ------ On
Sports------- Mid -------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Game-------- Off -------- Off ------- Off ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Standard----- Mid ------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On

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*The NR features are on for every A/V mode.
**5020 and 6020 have a 3D Y/C comb filter
***ColorSpace is fixed

*Edit: Thanks for the update. "Fixed" is more accurate.

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I'd love to see some maximum brightness levels for the various sets/picture modes.
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I'd love to see some maximum brightness levels for the various sets/picture modes.

Where do I find those information? Anyone can provide them so I can update the chart?
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No, Thank You for the information. "No" is very misleading and "Fixed" is more correct. With at least 4 "Official's" owners' thread going on the 9G Kuro, information is very hard to find. I am just trying to compose them together as much as I could across all North America models in Page 1 so anyone can take a quick browse much easier.

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Nice chart.

As listed however the chart gives the impression that many of the built-in processing features are entirely absent in the XX20 series. They are not. They are present and active with various built-in settings but not individually adjustable.

Settings like DRE, Black Level, CTI etc. are active with preset values that change with the various A/V modes. I list the preset values (as well as the general range of color temps available) of most of the processing features of the Kuro XX20 series in this post.


[table]A/V Mode ---- DRE --- Black Level --- ACL --- Enhancer --- Gamma --- CTI


*Edit: Thanks for the update. "Fixed" is more accurate.

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Can this thread go into the sticky section?
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The M-Series are designed and sold via custom install market. You are not likely to find them in any big box shop. In the U.S., there are some authorized internet dealers that have them. In Canada, you might need to call around your local install shops. I have no idea.

Thanks, would M-series be less or more expensive than Signature series?

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Thanks, would M-series be less or more expensive than Signature series?

Currently, the M is alot cheaper......like a few thousand cheaper at the moment . Its actually cheaper than the 6020 non-elite right now. Its really a no brainer if it works for your application. This of coarse is speaking about the 60" version. I dont know how the 50" plays out right now.
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