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post #361 of 9991 Old 03-13-2009, 11:51 AM
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All the danish autorised Panasonic dealers have lowered the prices today, and they are all sold out of G10s New shipment next week.

The European G10 is listed as 6144 grey scales(2319billion colors)
Is that more than the US version?
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The colors look as good as the Samsung and PZ800 in the pictures.

Could you post some pictures that illustrated the "wrong" colors on the G10?
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Why does eveyone love Samsung?

True about the 120hz,i want to watch a movie not a live sitcom or w/e


I don't love Samsung, wouldn't buy another one.
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Right out of the box which set has better color? The S1 or the G10? I just compared the pz80 to the pz800 tonight and the pz800 looked very natural while the pz80 looked over saturated and the green's were "off".

Just how much different is the color on the G10 compared to the pz800 right out of the box? Forget about all this SM tweaking that I'm never going to do.

Yes, if I were to calibrate a G10 myself--using a DVD--or just operate out of the box in THX mode, am I better off than I would be with an S1 or even the 800U or 850U?
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Can the G10 keep up with a Sammy 7100 in a bright(sunny) room?
I need a plasma for the good viewing angles and watching sports but would the pic be washed out like an 800U would be in a sunny room?

The room in question has been designed to keep summer sun out (still bright though) while letting in winter sunlight for warmth.

Love them plasmas, but none of them will keep up with a 7100 in that situation. The 7100 is brilliant, and you can always turn down the Backlight and get decent blacks. Viewing angles aren't that bad either.
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Love them plasmas, but none of them will keep up with a 7100 in that situation. The 7100 is brilliant, and you can always turn down the Backlight and get decent blacks. Viewing angles aren't that bad either.


What makes you say the viewing angles aren't bad on a 7100? Do you own one?
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Love them plasmas, but none of them will keep up with a 7100 in that situation. The 7100 is brilliant, and you can always turn down the Backlight and get decent blacks. Viewing angles aren't that bad either.

But the 7100 i'm guessing still has your typical LCD motion handling which is inferior to Plasma, the blacks look fantastic though going by the pics(but then again they're just pics) and the colors look great......but then comes the motion, since i'm so used to CRT motion, i dont think i could ever go LCD...and besides, these 120hz and 240hz modes only make Movies look like Video which i dont want, and probably only make a minimal difference for videogames. Besides that, the 7100 is expensive, and lacks smaller sizes....Anyways, when do you guys think CNET will have the G10 Reviewed?
That set better improve on color accuracy when compared to theS 1....But, going by what people are saying on here that's not the case. Damn you Panny, you deliver great blacks, but crappy color, while samsung delivers mediocre blacks yet fantastic color....But at least Panny offers lots of variety in sizes.
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But even if the S1 or G10 has crappy color, you'll always have the option of getting it professionally calibrated so that it will have awesome color.
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I don't love Samsung, wouldn't buy another one.

Nothing wrong with 120hz. AMP on the other hand......
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But even if the S1 or G10 has crappy color, you'll always have the option of getting it professionally calibrated so that it will have awesome color.

You aren't going to get really good color of the S1, it's just not capable of it. From Chad's review it looked like the G10 isn't really up to it either, though I'm a little skeptical of that honestly. Why go backwards from last year's 800u?
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You aren't going to get really good color of the S1, it's just not capable of it. From Chad's review it looked like the G10 isn't really up to it either, though I'm a little skeptical of that honestly. Why go backwards from last year's 800u?

Lets just wait and see what CNET says, and if the color for the G10 is crappy just as the S1 is, i'm passing. It's just a shame that THX isn't as good as last years based on what Cleavland is saying
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It's just a shame that THX isn't as good as last years based on what Cleavland is saying

Was it not as good as last year's? Or was just not as flexible for calibrating as the custom mode, whereas last year the THX mode was the best choice for calibrating.
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You aren't going to get really good color of the S1, it's just not capable of it. From Chad's review it looked like the G10 isn't really up to it either, though I'm a little skeptical of that honestly. Why go backwards from last year's 800u?

I looked at Chad's review again and here is what he said about the G10's color:
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The real surprise was how stunning Custom mode looked! In addition to the great contrast, Custom had much more natural looking color. It was brighter and more vibrant, also, and the yellowish, antique look was gone. It was so good that my only criticism was that I thought I saw a bit of pumping action and brightness instability. That was minor and could probably be minimized further by reducing the picture control.

From that quote, it sounds like as long as it's calibrated in Custom, the colors will look good.
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Oh the decisions. I'm going to look at this unit on Sunday and see if I want to buy it. I'm 95% of the way there, but 5% of me is wondering if I should wait on and pay extra for the 54". Of course I may see that LCD and decide I want that lol.
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I looked at Chad's review again and here is what he said about the G10's color:

From that quote, it sounds like as long as it's calibrated in Custom, the colors will look good.

So no Service Menu Adjustments then? and if this is the case with the G10s color, would it be possible with the S1 as well? unless the G10 is really superior color wise. I'd really love to see some pics for gaming
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Chad,
How does the G10 compare to the 850u? Can you talk a little bit more about the 24p feature. Does it have the same problem as the 800u and 850u? Does the 24p make a significant difference to the viewing experience?

I was ready to buy a 50" 850u and now am debating if I should go with the G10.
Thanks for your review.

I think the G10 has much better contrast, but it's been a few months since I've worked with an 850u.
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chris or chad, i would also like to know your thoughts on the g10 compared to the 850.

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edit: figures the response comes while I'm in the middle of posting! Thanks Chad. If you come up with any more observations in this regard, it seems like there are a number of us who would love to know.
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Lets just wait and see what CNET says, and if the color for the G10 is crappy just as the S1 is, i'm passing. It's just a shame that THX isn't as good as last years based on what Cleavland is saying

I think I will trust chads eye over CNets.
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I'm also tipping between the S1 and G10. If custom mode is the best mode for PQ through adjustments, shouldn't they have the same capabilities and picture via custom mode?
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+2

edit: figures the response comes while I'm in the middle of posting! Thanks Chad. If you come up with any more observations in this regard, it seems like there are a number of us who would love to know.

I'd like to do another 850u. I did a few of them when they first came out, but since then I've done a ton of 800u's and many other Panny models, but no more 850's. Memory fades as I see so many other different displays between now and when I did the 850. I could dig up the calibration reports, but they don't tell the whole story.
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Love them plasmas, but none of them will keep up with a 7100 in that situation. The 7100 is brilliant, and you can always turn down the Backlight and get decent blacks. Viewing angles aren't that bad either.

Doesn't appear to be the case. They both look bad.

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I looked at Chad's review again and here is what he said about the G10's color:

From that quote, it sounds like as long as it's calibrated in Custom, the colors will look good.

If custom mode looks like Panasonic's custom modes usually look, it has oversaturated color points (pretty typical for plasmas) and serious color decoder errors. Now some people don't care about oversaturated color points and actually prefer them (HD Guru, for example). I guess some people also don't care about color decoder errors...I do care though, and other people care as well.

Read the threads on the pz80/85 or go back to the 700u threads -- the color decoder red push is really obnoxious for some.
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If custom mode looks like Panasonic's custom modes usually look, it has oversaturated color points (pretty typical for plasmas) and serious color decoder errors. Now some people don't care about oversaturated color points and actually prefer them (HD Guru, for example). I guess some people also don't care about color decoder errors...I do care though, and other people care as well.

Read the threads on the pz80/85 or go back to the 700u threads -- the color decoder red push is really obnoxious for some.

It's different than past models.
The calibrated Custom mode has no significant red push and good color decoding on the G10. The set does not have color isolation, so the remaining 2 tests for color decoding are the filters and the color luminance measurements. Via the filters it has no red push; perfect color decoding. Via the measurement method the red is slightly higher than the other colors, but not by a large degree. It's less variation than I see on most other sets.
It does have oversaturated primaries, though.
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I'm also tipping between the S1 and G10. If custom mode is the best mode for PQ through adjustments, shouldn't they have the same capabilities and picture via custom mode?

The really question would be are the components the same in both sets that would impact PQ. I'm wondering if in order to meet THX they have to have a different panel.

Anyone have any clue if both of these are using the same panel?
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So unless you're going to pay somebody with the equipment and experience to come calibrate your set the g10 isn't much different color wise than the s1? Out of the box is there a big difference between the two?
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I think I will trust chads eye over CNets.

Me too.
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I think the G10 has much better contrast, but it's been a few months since I've worked with an 850u.

In your opinion is the better contrast enough of a reason to pitch the G10 over the 850? [ I did see your later post that said that you were going to take a look at the 850u again or the calibration results from before. ]

Thanks for your input.
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Ok, just got off the phone with Panny about the S1 versus the G10 panels. They are both the same panels as far as she was able to tell looking at the specs. There may be a difference in the Internal Electronics due to needing to meet THX certification requirements. She said the Engineers are given the specs they have to meet for THX and then design the tv around that.
So it very possible the electronics might have tighter tolerances in order to be able to meet the THX certification. So this being said you may not be able to display as good a picture on the S1.

She was interested in the fact the THX mode didn't preform as good as the custom mode and was going to forward that info onwards.

I'm pretty much sold on the G10 for the small price difference even if I'm going to have to use the custom mode.
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my decision is made I'm getting a G10
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Doesn't appear to be the case. They both look bad.

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Those Black levels arent impressive, is that the best the G10 can do?...I mean i'm not dieing for perfect blacks, but I expect them to be better than that...Then again, that plasma looks to be in a bright lit room, so wouldn't the blacks look worse?
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