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I am confused by this too. The manual claims it does 24p at 48Hz without 3:2. Yet they never touted this model as doing 24p at any freq divisible by 24. Even their spec sheet which they just put up a day or so ago it just talks about 3:2 pulldown.



From what I got from the review on here, there IS flicker.

I guess it does do 24p/48Hz ? (but it still flickers )

There is flicker when you feed it 1080p/24 and turn the 48Hz on. There is no flicker when you feed it 1080p/24 and turn the 48Hz off. So it will take a 1080p/24 input just fine, but there really isn't any advantage to doing so. It's like that on some other brands/sets also.

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There is flicker when you feed it 1080p/24 and turn the 48Hz on. There is no flicker when you feed it 1080p/24 and turn the 48Hz off. So it will take a 1080p/24 input just fine, but there really isn't any advantage to doing so. It's like that on some other brands/sets also.

So its essentially the same spec as the 800u. I just don't get why they would tout the 800U as taking a native 24p signal, but not the G10 even though they both will take it at 48Hz.

Maybe they know it sucked on the 800, so why try to sell the feature on the G10?

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In Custom mode, the red push is gone, but the neon green is still there. The neon green is caused by the green primary point being too wide. The wide green still happens in every mode but THX. Personally I think it's minor, but I know some don't. Yes, Custom is worthless in previous models due to horrible gamma and colors. These have been eliminated in the G10. It does have noticeably better contrast after calibration (and before cal, also). See the contrast ratio results compared to the 800u.

Thank you for your prompt reply!

So, at least two of my three major complaints are addressed in the G10. (possibly all three if THX is satisfactory) I'll mull it over and make a decision in the coming days.
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If custom mode now has reasonable gamma and no red push, then I wonder if the S1 would be just as good. Actually maybe it would be better, since presumably the "cinema" mode on the S1 would have gamma very close to 2.2 (as cinema mode did on past models) without the color issues of THX mode.
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TC-P42G10 showed up......

I thought it said 46G10 for a second.
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ohh 42G10 in stock at CP. the only thing holding me back is my concern of black levels. I'm using a Sony CRT right now and the blacks are very deep. I see Chad has XBR960 specialist in his sig, how do the blacks on that compare to the G10? I have the HS model without the SFP tube. I also have a 9G Panny plasma, TH-42PX60U, and the "black" levels are abysmal.
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I can't believe the G10 has a color decoding error in THX. Why don't they beta test these things!!

So...there is no choice for an accurate set in the 12g lineup then...the 800u is probably the superior tv?

I want accuracy! And panny can't quite deliver.
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ohh 42G10 in stock at CP. the only thing holding me back is my concern of black levels. I'm using a Sony CRT right now and the blacks are very deep. I see Chad has XBR960 specialist in his sig, how do the blacks on that compare to the G10? I have the HS model without the SFP tube. I also have a 9G Panny plasma, TH-42PX60U, and the "black" levels are abysmal.

If you think the 60U has abysmal blacks, I think you should look into getting a 9G Pioneer. The Panasonic G10 will have much better blacks than the 60u but it sounds like you're very sensitive about black levels.
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Will the G10 look any better than the S1 if I use DVD calibration on my own?
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Could the THX color error be fixed with an update at some point???
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does anyone have more photos of their setup? I have decided on the 42S1 and was hoping to see more pics of forum users' setup. thanks
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I can't believe the G10 has a color decoding error in THX. Why don't they beta test these things!! So...there is no choice for an accurate set in the 12g lineup then...the 800u is probably the superior tv? I want accuracy! And panny can't quite deliver.

I would not go that far. We got the G10 looking better than the 800U overall, just had to use different modes, does it really make a difference on what mode one is in?
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There is a UN40B6000 and UN40B7100.

When is the UN40B7100 in stock at Cleveland Plasma? I did not see it there when I visited today.

I am considering this model versus the 42G10. Leaning 42G10 due to price.
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has anyone tested the ghosting with games yet?...i have been reading the thread and did not see anything
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When is the UN40B7100 in stock at Cleveland Plasma? I did not see it there when I visited today.

maybe more of a PM question? not really (or at all) related to a G10 series panasonic.
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has anyone tested the ghosting with games yet?...i have been reading the thread and did not see anything

That's what i wanna know....And it would be nice to see a 360 or PS3 hooked up, and seeing something like Resident Evil 5 or any game for that matter.

But, i dont think we'll be seeing hardly anything until we get a solid comparison between the S1 and G10, so people can finally decide which one they want. Because as of now, i'm guessing people still arent sure yet. When it all comes down to it though, it's weather or not the color will be different on the S1 adn G10....maybe the S1s Cinema mode is better than Costume or THX. I dont know, i just want to know if they're the exact same, beside the THX mode
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I kinda had the same problem at my local best buy i,but i did find a remote for the58pz800u. they had it set to vivid i tried THX and custom,I was dissapointed in the thx mode as it seemed dull and washed out,I really want to buy one of these pannys,but i think i'll wait and see how the g10 or g15 look. BTW while i was checking out the panny the sales girl came over and reset it back to vivid and pretty much let it be known they dont like customers to change the settings ,which is why its hard to find the remotes at best buy! when i complained and said customers need to be able to checkout the menus and settings, she said most customers dont change the settings when they get the tv home,and just leave it on the setting the tv comes in from the factory!!!! I guess i'll be getting mine from sears or maybe an online retailer,unless i can get one there at a huge discount.

That's true, unfortunately.

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I guarantee you would not say that if you saw the B7000 on blu ray, you would prob pay any amount it is really really awesome. I was about a french fry away from going with the S1 combo at sears 3 yrs 0% until I saw the B6000. This baby is life changer.

Yes I agree, until you view off axis then it looks like a black and white with a green tinge.
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Yes I agree, until you view off axis then it looks like a black and white with a green tinge.

and you're forgetting the inferior motion handling, like all LCDs.
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maybe more of a pm question? Not really (or at all) related to a g10 series panasonic.

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Since the 42" S1 is going for $1199 American, how much would it be canadian? Besbuy or Futureshop.ca dont even Panasonics 09' displays up yet.
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There is flicker when you feed it 1080p/24 and turn the 48Hz on. There is no flicker when you feed it 1080p/24 and turn the 48Hz off. So it will take a 1080p/24 input just fine, but there really isn't any advantage to doing so. It's like that on some other brands/sets also.

Is there a disadvantage to doing so?

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Oh by the way, we just put up a G10 on our Home Theater wall, and I gotta say, my first impressions are mostly positive.

I immediately put it in Custom mode and ran the brightness up to 75%, just to see how it could hold its own against 4 52" LCDs in torch mode. Wow. It was clear where the other plasmas were on the wall from a distance (they were dimmer by far than the LCD - even though most of the plasmas were in torch mode too). As it was designed to do, the new Panasonic G10 does compare favorably against the LCDs in brightness.

At 75% Brightness, the blacks remained deep and strong, with no noticeable graying or dimming.

There was no noticeable artifacting that I could see. It was overall a very smooth picture.

In bright store light, it's almost impossible to give any more useful feedback.

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Since the 42" S1 is going for $1199 American, how much would it be canadian? Besbuy or Futureshop.ca dont even Panasonics 09' displays up yet.

1525.54

p.s. in the future, just google "currency calculator" and u will find plenty of tools to calculate this easily
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Ok guys I am confused about the whole 24p thing.
I have a PS3 and will be using the TV for both Blue Ray movies and games.
I went and looked at a S1 and thought it was great I do care about movie playback and this will be one of the major uses of the TV. Is the G10 going to give what I want in Blue Ray playback ? I could buy a 120Hz LCD TV, but the Plasma sure looks nice. Does the G10 do the 24p mode correctly ?

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Ok guys I am confused about the whole 24p thing.
I have a PS3 and will be using the TV for both Blue Ray movies and games.
I went and looked at a S10 and thought it was great I do care about movie playback and this will be one of the major uses of the TV. Is the G10 going to give what I want in Blue Ray playback ? I could buy a 120Hz LCD TV, but the Plasma sure looks nice. Does the G10 do the 24p mode correctly ?

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if you like your picture to flicker incessantly than yes, it does 24p very well. The G10 has 48Hz playback, but unfortunately causes a very noticeable flicker in the picture, especially during scenes with light backgrounds. I recommend you head to your local best buy and check the G10 out for urself. The V10 and Z10 series are supposed to support 98Hz playback and should cut down or eliminate the flicker, but they havent arived in stores yet so we dont really know.

if you go check it out, be sure to go into the menu and turn it on because in all likelihood the BB associates havent turned it on... select the picture settings menu, then advanced picture settings, then switch "24p Direct In" to 48Hz. I would spend a few minz switching back and forth between 60Hz and 48Hz.

What i found most disappointing is that i never noticed a difference in the motion between the two settings, only the flicker. These sets have 600Hz sub-field drives so inherently they have smoother motion to begin with.

Theres also alot of debate on the 120Hz technology of LCD's. I personally feel like it lends an artificial sense to the motion. some people really like the effect tho.
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I would not go that far. We got the G10 looking better than the 800U overall, just had to use different modes, does it really make a difference on what mode one is in?

Yes it does, because if the picture can be best tweaked using custom mode there's no reason to pay more for the G10 over the S1.
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Oh by the way, we just put up a G10 on our Home Theater wall, and I gotta say, my first impressions are mostly positive.

I immediately put it in Custom mode and ran the brightness up to 75%, just to see how it could hold its own against 4 52" LCDs in torch mode. Wow. It was clear where the other plasmas were on the wall from a distance (they were dimmer by far than the LCD - even though most of the plasmas were in torch mode too). As it was designed to do, the new Panasonic G10 does compare favorably against the LCDs in brightness.

At 75% Brightness, the blacks remained deep and strong, with no noticeable graying or dimming.

There was no noticeable artifacting that I could see. It was overall a very smooth picture.

In bright store light, it's almost impossible to give any more useful feedback.

Contrast controls screen brightness, not brightness.
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