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post #241 of 10007 Old 03-12-2009, 08:18 AM
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Thanks Chris for posting all this!

From looking at the images from work with my calibrated monitor that I use for photo editing, I come away with these thoughts:
The G10 has great shadow detail especially compared to the Sammy which is crushing the blacks. The G10 looks as good as the 800U and after looking very close the G10 looks to have a little less noise. The 800U does look just a tad sharper than the G10 and that might explain the little extra noise being produced.
The Sammy has a yellow push to it and the G10 has a slight red push, but to me, it's much less noticeable than the Sammy's yellow.
The Sammy does look clearer and sharper while not presenting anymore noise than either the G10 or 800U.
The G10 is displaying more of the image than the Sammy. The Sammy is cropping the images much more compared to the G10.

Overall I'm very pleased with how the G10 looks based on these photo's. I'll go to some local stores and check them out in person but I think I'll be buying a 54" G10 come May.
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You are talking about the Euro models right? The US G10 does not have these controls outside of the SM, correct?

Here's the G10E operating manual.

http://tda.panasonic-europe-service....TQB0E0797U.pdf
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And I we need to diferntiate between Elite 9gs and Non-Elite 9gs. I think most people are interedted in comparing the Non Elites with the G.

I was talking about the Non elites, I agree but think the non elites would be a good vs.an S1 since they are the cheapest 1080p models from both companies and will probably be most comparable in color accuracy.

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You are conflating a lot of information about different models and reports into one conclusion. D-Nice has not evaluated a Neo-PDP panel yet. His observations and results are for the X1 model, which is not a Neo-PDP panel. On the other hand, Chris has reported that the G10 unit is way brighter, and has far greater dark levels that last year. As for C-Net. They did not even do a a proper calibration on the S1 unit, and engaged in a lot of eyeball speculations. That evaluation was no better than what the average owner can do, without ever entering the SM.

Slow down and keep some perspective. I do not want to see you rush into another hasty purchase.


Thanks Greenland. You are absolutely correct about what I have gathered. I am right there with you in advising caution. That is why I have said it is too early to say anything with any real confidence. Sorry for laying those out to appear as facts. I also corrected my statement about color as I am sure you have already seen.


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And I we need to diferntiate between Elite 9gs and Non-Elite 9gs. I think most people are interedted in comparing the Non Elites with the G.

And I think we need to differentiate between Elite 9gs and Non-Elite 9gs. I think most people are interested in comparing the Non Elites with the G.

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I was talking about the Non elites, I agree but think the non elites would be a good vs.an S1 since they are the cheapest 1080p models from both companies and will probably be most comparable in color accuracy.

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Panasonic now needs to work on getting rid of the red dot below the picture.
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How is the heat output on the 50" G10 after about 60-90 minutes? IIRC heat is another area where Panasonic does well and I'd expect it to be even cooler than usual thanks to the reduced power consumption.
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Thanks to Chris at Cleveland Plasma I had a chance to spend about 4 hours with the brand new TC-P50G10 last night. I have calibrated many 800us, and am very familiar with them; I was pleasantly surprised at some of the changes in the G10, while other changes left me scratching my head. According to my wife, I have a tendency to be too technical when I talk about TVs, so please bear with me. The main calibration was done with an i1Pro meter and CalMAN Professional 3.3.

From the factory:
Build date was Feb '09. I first measured the out of the box performance in THX mode and Custom mode with default settings. Attachment 1 is the THX results. Black was crushed quite a bit more than on the 800us due to too low of a black level. The THX mode defaulted to picture at 100, and light output was on the high side compared to most 800us before calibration. That, of course, is a good thing IMO. Grayscale measured cool, with red being de-emphasized. That's unexpected since all the 800us I've worked with have had a blue deficiency rather than a red deficiency in the grayscale. Gamma was about what I expected. However, when I measured the color gamut, I was surprised by a high dE in the magenta and very uneven color luminance, neither of which I've seen before in THX mode. Magenta was pulled strongly toward blue, and trying to compensate too much with the tint control pulled the yellow and cyan off target. The uneven luminance had blue much stronger than any other color. Turning the color up to 72 made most colors about right with blue being severely pushed. I was so surprised by this I pulled out the DVE color filters, and sure enough, looking through the filters blue was too strong while red and green were too weak.
Before calibration, custom mode looked promising. See attachment 2. The gamma, though it showed white crush, was not nearly as bad as the gamma on the 800u's Custom mode. The color primaries were too wide, but not to the extent that I see on many other displays. Light output was strong, but it was also very dependent on the measurement window size. Looking at a high APL contrast pattern, whites were not crushed; however, they were crushed on a low APL pattern. Looking through the DVE color filters showed perfect color decoding, though I prefer to trust either measurements or color isolation (these sets can not do color isolation) over the filters.
Just as in the 800u, the 48 Hz mode still flickers. They should have gone with 72 Hz instead of 48.

Calibration:
The service menu appeared unchanged from the 800u. I started by calibrating the warm 2 color temp preset using THX mode. After raising brightness to the point where the background was not lit up but everything above black was shown, I made some easy adjustments to the grayscale. I then exited the SM and did a full set of measurements. Things measured well in THX mode except for the high magenta dE and the color decoding issues. Gamma was a bit low, but still respectable. Light output was in the 37 ft-l range, which is good for THX mode. My opinion is that while 37 ft-l is adequate for darkened theaters, it is dull and hard to see in a typical living room environment.
I also calibrated Custom mode user controls using the same Warm 2 color temp preset. After calibration, Custom mode showed no signs of the terrible gamma it has in the 800u, though it was still on the low side. In the 800u, the gamma in Custom mode is dramatically different in the service menu than it is out of the SM. You may think the gamma is not bad on the 800u's Custom mode if you measure it while you are in the SM, but when you measure it in normal conditions (outside the SM), it deteriorates dramatically. The G10's gamma was acceptable (though not perfect) even out of the SM. While the filters suggested a color setting of 50 (default), the measurements suggested a color setting of 36, which I used. White crush on a low APL test pattern started with a picture setting in the mid 70's, so I backed it off to well before that point. Attachment 3 (pic at 56) and 4 (pic at 70) are the measurements for after calibration Custom mode.
I started viewing in THX mode. I looked at some familiar demo material on my DVE Blu-Ray, and immediately was groping for the remote to turn down the color. It was pretty much unwatchable at 72. After looking at many flesh tone scenes that I look at on every set I calibrate, a setting of 55 looked most natural. However, the picture had a slightly yellowish, "antique" cast. Tint was centered, but I thought a slight red bias helped a bit. Contrast ratio and black levels looked great, however.
The real surprise was how stunning Custom mode looked! In addition to the great contrast, Custom had much more natural looking color. It was brighter and more vibrant, also, and the yellowish, antique look was gone. It was so good that my only criticism was that I thought I saw a bit of pumping action and brightness instability. That was minor and could probably be minimized further by reducing the picture control.
I decided to re-measure and see what effects my new THX color settings (color 55, tint R2) would have on the measurements, and I wanted to re-measure the grayscale to make sure the yellowish cast was not caused by a lack of blue in the grayscale.
Attachment 5 is the after calibration THX results with my new color settings. Grayscale was still perfect. The new color settings really didn't do anything to improve the disappointing color decoding, but they made the set much more watchable.

Contrast ratio measurements:
I took the contrast ratio measurements in a totally dark room and with a meter that is very stable and consistent with extremely dark measurements (my Milori Trichromat-1). I set it's exposure time to the longest setting to further maximize accuracy.
The G10 simply blew the 800u away with the contrast ratio measurements! By eye, I knew the blacks and contrast were going to be great and much improved, and the measurements backed that up.
800u: full on/off 2387, modified ANSI 551 (calibrated THX mode)
G10: full on/off 7399, modified ANSI 3892 (calibrated Custom mode)
Wow! That's very impressive! Just a few years ago I was getting 1200-1500 full on/off from Panasonic plasmas and 400-500 full on/off from LG and Sony (yes, they made plasmas). 2-3 years ago ANSI results in the 100-200 range were common.

Comparison to a calibrated Samsung UN55B7100:
Please see my review of the Samsung for more info on it.
The G10 was in Custom mode. The Samsung's blacks were darker, but not to the same extent as with the 800u. It was easily noticeable in a totally dark room, but not a glaring difference. Ignoring totally black screens and concentrating on black areas of real pictures (what the modified ANSI measurements simulate) showed they were essentially even and both excellent in this regard in the middle and right side of the screen. On the left side, the Samsung's blacks looked a bit washed out with the ANSI checkerboard (due to the cloudiness, but this was not visible very often). The Samsung had more accurate looking color; flesh tones looked richer (without being overcooked) and more lifelike. Both were extremely sharp and detailed, and both had tremendous "pop". I noticed a tiny bit of pumping and brightness instability with the Panny, but it was not objectionable. They handled shadow detail similarly. If it were not for the slight pumping, the Panny's shadow detail would be much more apparent than the Samsung's. I think that characteristic is built in to the Custom mode, but again turning the picture control down a bit could help. The Panasonic was much better off to the side. This was a very close comparison, but I did prefer the Samsung overall. However, your environment, viewing angles, finances, etc may make the Panasonic a better choice for you, and I am very happy with the improvements to the contrast ratio and Custom mode in the G10.

Edit 9-23-09:
Good news: Panasonic has fixed the THX color decoding issues in their latest firmware! I had seen the poor color decoding in several G10s and V10s since I wrote the review. But I was alerted to the possible firmware fix here on AVS and yesterday confirmed it with a newly updated V10. The update should carry over to the G10. Details about the update should be available here on AVS; I do not have them.
With the fix, THX color decoding is now excellent, and grayscale tracking is also the best I have seen on a Panasonic plasma, and gamma is even better. The green/yellow "antique" look in THX mode is totally gone!
THX mode is now the preferred mode to use on the G10 and V10, at least in light controlled rooms. In bright rooms, Custom is still a great alternative. I will be updating my rankings page to reflect primary use in THX mode, with Custom used in bright rooms. My opinion of the latest Panasonic plasmas has just taken a big jump. Great job, Panasonic!
I am replacing the old THX after report attachment with the new one. I believe the performance would be very similar whether it is a G10 or a V10. One thing to note in the calibration report: the 10% stimulus reading looks poor only because of the meter's limited accuracy at very low light levels.
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Is there any reason to get the G series if you're just going to use "custom" mode? It has the same typical Panasonic color decoder and color gamut problems outside of THX mode.
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Is it possible that cinema mode on the S is better than THX on the G?
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Wow!! @ the contrast ratio measurements!

It seems Panasonic's 5 lumen tech Neo PDPs really do live up to the hype!

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Yeah, now that I think about it, if THX is the only difference, might as well buy the S model series and I could have it professionally calibrated if I wanted to.
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I am trying to find one good reason to go G over S now. Isn't the THX mode the only diff?

They both do 1080/24 right?

Chad, If you had to decide between this and a 5020, which would you chose for your home with price being the same?

And it sounds like the G is in fact brighter than the 5020, not that everyone considers that a good thing like myself.

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0.0096ft/L black level?
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I am trying to find one good reason to go G over S now. Isn't the THX mode the only diff?

They both do 1080/24 right?

Chad, If you had to decide between this and a 5020, which would you chose for your home with price being the same?

And it sounds like the G is in fact brighter than the 5020, not that everyone considers that a good thing like myself.

The G looks like it's only brighter than the 5020 (40 ftl peak, right?) in non-THX modes. Can't the 5020 get brighter in modes other than cinema? Seems like the same situation.
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0.0096ft/L black level?

37fL/.005fL = 7399 on/off
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I am trying to find one good reason to go G over S now. Isn't the THX mode the only diff?

They both do 1080/24 right?

Chad, If you had to decide between this and a 5020, which would you chose for your home with price being the same?

And it sounds like the G is in fact brighter than the 5020, not that everyone considers that a good thing like myself.

The 5020's blacks are darker still, but like you said it's not as bright. The last one I did put out 43 ft-l.
Colors and sharpness/resolution are similar. Gamma is slightly better on the 5020.
I'm going to say I'd go with the 5020, but the brighter Panny would look better in the day time since I don't have good light control in my living room.

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37fL/.005fL = 7399 on/off

I'm not seeing those readings on calibration reports.
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The G looks like it's only brighter than the 5020 (40 ftl peak, right?) in non-THX modes. Can't the 5020 get brighter in modes other than cinema? Seems like the same situation.

Cinema is the only mode in the 5020 that can be calibrated well. The other modes have poor gamma and other "enhancements" built in.

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Chad, what's the light output with a 100% white screen ???


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The 5020's blacks are darker still, but like you said it's not as bright. The last one I did put out 43 ft-l.
Colors and sharpness/resolution are similar. Gamma is slightly better on the 5020.
I'm going to say I'd go with the 5020, but the brighter Panny would look better in the day time since I don't have good light control in my living room.

Thanks so much for an honest answer and great job!

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I'm not seeing those readings on calibration reports.

That's because the meter used in the calibration reports is the i1Pro, which is inaccurate reading black. It is very accurate with middle and bright levels, though. The Trichromat-1 was used for the contrast ratio measurements because even though it is not as accurate overall it is super consistent and accurate with black and near black measurements.

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Very nice Chad. A few questions though...
  • What are your contrast ratios based on? Pre or post cal? Your post cal measurements do not coincide with your posted contrast measurements (specifically the on/off measurements).
  • Which Custom mode chart is the final calibration? One has the peak light output @ 44fL while the other is 57fL. Both look good but the 44fL would be better because of the gamma dip @ 90% stimuli on the 57fL chart.
  • Did you attempt to reduce the peak light output while in THX mode to be around 32-34fL? I saw the same dip @ 90& with the X1 and almost fixed it when i reduced the User menu Contrast setting and dropping the SM sub-brightness control by 1 click.
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Thanks to Chris at Cleveland Plasma I had a chance to spend about 4 hours with the brand new TC-P50G10 last night. I have calibrated many 800us, and am very familiar with them; I was pleasantly surprised at some of the changes in the G10, while other changes left me scratching my head. According to my wife, I have a tendency to be too technical when I talk about TVs, so please bear with me. The main calibration was done with an i1Pro meter and CalMAN Professional 3.3.

From the factory:
Build date was Feb '09. I first measured the out of the box performance in THX mode and Custom mode with default settings. Attachment 1 is the THX results. Black was crushed quite a bit more than on the 800us due to too low of a black level. The THX mode defaulted to picture at 100, and light output was on the high side compared to most 800us before calibration. That, of course, is a good thing IMO. Grayscale measured cool, with red being de-emphasized. That's unexpected since all the 800us I've worked with have had a blue deficiency rather than a red deficiency in the grayscale. Gamma was about what I expected. However, when I measured the color gamut, I was surprised by a high dE in the magenta and very uneven color luminance, neither of which I've seen before in THX mode. Magenta was pulled strongly toward blue, and trying to compensate too much with the tint control pulled the yellow and cyan off target. The uneven luminance had blue much stronger than any other color. Turning the color up to 72 made most colors about right with blue being severely pushed. I was so surprised by this I pulled out the DVE color filters, and sure enough, looking through the filters blue was too strong while red and green were too weak.
Before calibration, custom mode looked promising. See attachment 2. The gamma, though it showed white crush, was not nearly as bad as the gamma on the 800u's Custom mode. The color primaries were too wide, but not to the extent that I see on many other displays. Light output was strong, but it was also very dependent on the measurement window size. Looking at a high APL contrast pattern, whites were not crushed; however, they were crushed on a low APL pattern. Looking through the DVE color filters showed perfect color decoding, though I prefer to trust either measurements or color isolation (these sets can not do color isolation) over the filters.
Just as in the 800u, the 48 Hz mode still flickers. They should have gone with 72 Hz instead of 48.

Calibration:
The service menu appeared unchanged from the 800u. I started by calibrating the warm 2 color temp preset using THX mode. After raising brightness to the point where the background was not lit up but everything above black was shown, I made some easy adjustments to the grayscale. I then exited the SM and did a full set of measurements. Things measured well in THX mode except for the high magenta dE and the color decoding issues. Gamma was a bit low, but still respectable. Light output was in the 37 ft-l range, which is good for THX mode. My opinion is that while 37 ft-l is adequate for darkened theaters, it is dull and hard to see in a typical living room environment.
I also calibrated Custom mode user controls using the same Warm 2 color temp preset. After calibration, Custom mode showed no signs of the terrible gamma it has in the 800u, though it was still on the low side. In the 800u, the gamma in Custom mode is dramatically different in the service menu than it is out of the SM. You may think the gamma is not bad on the 800u's Custom mode if you measure it while you are in the SM, but when you measure it in normal conditions (outside the SM), it deteriorates dramatically. The G10's gamma was acceptable (though not perfect) even out of the SM. While the filters suggested a color setting of 50 (default), the measurements suggested a color setting of 36, which I used. White crush on a low APL test pattern started with a picture setting in the mid 70's, so I backed it off to well before that point. Attachment 3 (pic at 56) and 4 (pic at 70) are the measurements for after calibration Custom mode.
I started viewing in THX mode. I looked at some familiar demo material on my DVE Blu-Ray, and immediately was groping for the remote to turn down the color. It was pretty much unwatchable at 72. After looking at many flesh tone scenes that I look at on every set I calibrate, a setting of 55 looked most natural. However, the picture had a slightly yellowish, "antique" cast. Tint was centered, but I thought a slight red bias helped a bit. Contrast ratio and black levels looked great, however.
The real surprise was how stunning Custom mode looked! In addition to the great contrast, Custom had much more natural looking color. It was brighter and more vibrant, also, and the yellowish, antique look was gone. It was so good that my only criticism was that I thought I saw a bit of pumping action and brightness instability. That was minor and could probably be minimized further by reducing the picture control.
I decided to re-measure and see what effects my new THX color settings (color 55, tint R2) would have on the measurements, and I wanted to re-measure the grayscale to make sure the yellowish cast was not caused by a lack of blue in the grayscale.
Attachment 5 is the after calibration THX results with my new color settings. Grayscale was still perfect. The new color settings really didn't do anything to improve the disappointing color decoding, but they made the set much more watchable.

Contrast ratio measurements:
I took the contrast ratio measurements in a totally dark room and with a meter that is very stable and consistent with extremely dark measurements (my Milori Trichromat-1). I set it's exposure time to the longest setting to further maximize accuracy.
The G10 simply blew the 800u away with the contrast ratio measurements! By eye, I knew the blacks and contrast were going to be great and much improved, and the measurements backed that up.
800u: full on/off 2387, modified ANSI 551 (calibrated THX mode)
G10: full on/off 7399, modified ANSI 3892 (calibrated Custom mode)
Wow! That's very impressive! Just a few years ago I was getting 1200-1500 full on/off from Panasonic plasmas and 400-500 full on/off from LG and Sony (yes, they made plasmas). 2-3 years ago ANSI results in the 100-200 range were common.

Comparison to a calibrated Samsung UN55B7100:
Please see my review of the Samsung for more info on it.
The G10 was in Custom mode. The Samsung's blacks were darker, but not to the same extent as with the 800u. It was easily noticeable in a totally dark room, but not a glaring difference. Ignoring totally black screens and concentrating on black areas of real pictures (what the modified ANSI measurements simulate) showed they were essentially even and both excellent in this regard in the middle and right side of the screen. On the left side, the Samsung's blacks looked a bit washed out with the ANSI checkerboard (due to the cloudiness, but this was not visible very often). The Samsung had more accurate looking color; flesh tones looked richer (without being overcooked) and more lifelike. Both were extremely sharp and detailed, and both had tremendous "pop". I noticed a tiny bit of pumping and brightness instability with the Panny, but it was not objectionable. They handled shadow detail similarly. If it were not for the slight pumping, the Panny's shadow detail would be much more apparent than the Samsung's. I think that characteristic is built in to the Custom mode, but again turning the picture control down a bit could help. The Panasonic was much better off to the side. This was a very close comparison, but I did prefer the Samsung overall. However, your environment, viewing angles, finances, etc may make the Panasonic a better choice for you, and I am very happy with the improvements to the contrast ratio and Custom mode in the G10.

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So what's the lowest size the 7100 come in? and how much better does the S1/G10 handle motion?.....but again, if the only difference between the S1 and G10 is that the G10 has THX mode, than i dont see the point in going with the G10 because Custome mode offers better color once calibrated....then again, wasn't somebody saying you cant tweak the grey scale on the S1, but you can with the G10?
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I am trying to find one good reason to go G over S now. Isn't the THX mode the only diff?

They both do 1080/24 right?

Chad, If you had to decide between this and a 5020, which would you chose for your home with price being the same?

And it sounds like the G is in fact brighter than the 5020, not that everyone considers that a good thing like myself.

For me, it's some additional features. I want the Viera Cast and the AVCHD playback capability, as I'm buying an HD camcorder in the future. Since I'm limited to a 42" size, the additional cost is nominal for me.
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37fL/.005fL = 7399 on/off

His contrast numbers are based on Custom mode not THX.
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That's because the meter used in the calibration reports is the i1Pro, which is inaccurate reading black. It is very accurate with middle and bright levels, though. The Trichromat-1 was used for the contrast ratio measurements because even though it is not as accurate overall it is super consistent and accurate with black and near black measurements.

OK. Thanks. Could you reveal the calibrated black level also?
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So what's the lowest size the 7100 come in? and how much better does the S1/G10 handle motion?.....but again, if the only difference between the S1 and G10 is that the G10 has THX mode, than i dont see the point in going with the G10 because Custome mode offers better color once calibrated....then again, wasn't somebody saying you cant tweak the grey scale on the S1, but you can with the G10?

I am pretty sure both flavors have the same grey scale options in the SM. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

If that holds to be true then there should be no reason that we can't achieve the same PQ with an S1. Chad? Dnice?

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Using a small (15%) window, light output was 58 ft-l with the picture at 70 and 44 ft-l with the pic at 56. You could use it with the picture control in a wide range because white crush was not apparent on any test pattern until the pic control was in the mid 70's. From there to 100 it clipped white with small images. With large images there was some sort of built in protection that kept it from crushing white no matter where the pic was set.

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Using a small (15%) window, light output was 58 ft-l with the picture at 70 and 44 ft-l with the pic at 56. You could use it with the picture control in a wide range because white crush was not apparent on any test pattern until the pic control was in the mid 70's. From there to 100 it clipped white with small images.

I saw the exact same things on the X1 series.

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OK. Thanks. Could you reveal the calibrated black level also?

I didn't write it down. However, you could calculate it using the 58 ft-l Custom @70 white reading and the on/off CR.

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Thank you very much, Chad. Great review.

What about the motion (600hz, 24p sources, etc...)? Do you test anything?

Thanks.

NOTE: I'll buy a TV in 2 months. I liked buy a LCD (no LED) but now I like a NeoPDP. Could you think that these NeoPDP are better than all LCDs no LED? Thanks
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