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There is a new review of the V10 at HDGURU.

A short version of the review is that the V10 has become the new standard or as the HD Guru stated "the New King of HDTVs"

http://hdguru.com/the-new-king-of-hd...-reviewed/458/


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Thanks for the link. The review was a little over the top. Plus, no mention of shimmering. That really is my only complaint with this set. I guess there is always a trade off with technology.
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Is the V10 65" a Neo PDP one piece of glass panel?
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Is the V10 65" a Neo PDP one piece of glass panel?



NO - both the 58 and 65 inchers use 2 panes.
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NO - both the 58 and 65 inchers use 2 panes.

Thanks Snooptonydog, I wonder where the seam is, horizontal or vertical ?
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Plus, no mention of shimmering.

Could be that the reviewer can't see it. I can't see anything like shimmer on my 50V10, and I've looked for it. My only signal source is a Panny BD60 blu-ray player. I've studied smooth single tone backgrounds and complex and detailed scenery. Up close and normal seating. Stills and motion. Quick pans and slow. It all looks great to me; no sign of any defects, much less anything I could call shimmer.

Maybe I need someone to point it out to me. But if that's the case it's not really a problem is it?

For the record I thought the review was perhaps somewhat over the top. But I've never spent any quality time with a Pioneer PDP either. If a guy who has says the V10 is a suitable successor, who am I to argue? All I really know is that the V10 looks damn fine to me!
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My brother-in-law bought the Panasonic 65 inch model 3 years back and I want him to be envious when he comes to my house in a month or so (e.g. displaying green tones in his flesh).

-The V10 is better than a 3 year old Panasonic for sure. The V10 is noticeably better even from last years 800U and 850U.

-I have to note that his panel will still be bigger, but yours will be better.
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Could be that the reviewer can't see it. I can't see anything like shimmer on my 50V10, and I've looked for it. My only signal source is a Panny BD60 blu-ray player. I've studied smooth single tone backgrounds and complex and detailed scenery. Up close and normal seating. Stills and motion. Quick pans and slow. It all looks great to me; no sign of any defects, much less anything I could call shimmer.

Maybe I need someone to point it out to me. But if that's the case it's not really a problem is it?

For the record I thought the review was perhaps somewhat over the top. But I've never spent any quality time with a Pioneer PDP either. If a guy who has says the V10 is a suitable successor, who am I to argue? All I really know is that the V10 looks damn fine to me!

Do you think I have a bum panel? I don't have to get close to notice it - I see it from 9 feet away. It is more noticeable during scenes with a wall or stationary background and a lot more so on a blu ray. I'd rather think it's normal and that I notice things others don't than have another defective set! Note, my other defective sets weren't Panasonic.
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Thanks for the link. The review was a little over the top. Plus, no mention of shimmering. That really is my only complaint with this set. I guess there is always a trade off with technology.

What is "shimmering?" Is that where pixels are sparkling different colors when they shouldn't be? If so, I noticed this on the V10. In fact, I've noticed this on several different plasmas that I checked out.

I also noticed flickering on the V10 when it showed bright colors (although the 3rd time I checked the TV out, it didn't do it).
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Thanks Snooptonydog, I wonder where the seam is, horizontal or vertical ?

There is no seam in the glass; the whole outer protective glass is the "2nd pane" and is one single sheet. The plasma panel itself is the first layer of glass. The OP was asking if the 58" and 65" version has the "one sheet of glass design" as the 50" model does.

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Do you think I have a bum panel?

I have no idea. I'm hardly an expert. I'm just adding a data point to the discussion. Perhaps not terribly helpful to your particular case, but my observation is all I've got to offer.
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There is no seam in the glass; the whole outer protective glass is the "2nd pane" and is one single sheet. The plasma panel itself is the first layer of glass. The OP was asking if the 58" and 65" version has the "one sheet of glass design" as the 50" model does.

Thank you Randy for the explanation I appreciate it. I've been looking on the web to better educate myself about Plasma technology so I can carry on a better Q/A dialog here.
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What is "shimmering?" Is that where pixels are sparkling different colors when they shouldn't be? If so, I noticed this on the V10. In fact, I've noticed this on several different plasmas that I checked out.

I also noticed flickering on the V10 when it showed bright colors (although the 3rd time I checked the TV out, it didn't do it).

Sort of, it's when the individual pixels change color rapidly or something like that. I've read it is inherent in plasmas but I didn't notice it on my last one. I haven't notice any flickering on my V10.
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can someone verify how this tv displays white/light images? I've heard of flickering and/or dimming itself to a grey color on a white and/or bright screen?
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can someone verify how this tv displays white/light images? I've heard of flickering and/or dimming itself to a grey color on a white and/or bright screen?

I've been watching blu-rays in custom mode with contrast set in the mid 70s (don't remember exactly and can't be bothered to wander down stairs and hassle with it to find out right now -- supper is imminent!). One BD that bears mentioning was a nature video featuring lots of snow and ice. Filled the screen with lots of nice bright white loaded with highlight detail. The PQ was excellent, nice and smooth with no flickering and no dimming. This after breaking in with the infamous break-in slides for 120 hours.

I've clearly got some headroom here -- could go brighter. But in my subdued HT room this is about as bright as my wife and I want it. IOW brighter would be uncomfortable.

What will it do in vivid mode with contrast maxed out? I have no idea and have no desire to find out. But that would surely stress the panel more than what I'm doing now. You'll have to find a gamer to tell you about how it works in vivid mode, and I'm not a gamer.
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Just chiming in, somewhat randomly, with my impressions of gaming lag or input lag on the V10.

In short -- I don't perceive ANY lag. It is comparable to my experience with a Westinghouse LCD I previously used for gaming because of its super low/imperceptible input lag. I can't discern any delay between a controller movement on the analog stick and movement on the screen. Ditto for button pushes.

I'll try to look for the specific post re gaming/input lag on the V10, if there is one, and add my impressions there. In the meantime, I'm very happy to report (and hugely relieved) that there is effectively zero lag on the V10 for gaming. Whew!

ALSO - I haven't even had a whiff of image retention, let alone burn in. I started out watching TV at dim levels for a few hours. Then played a game on Standard settings for about an hour. Then used the break in DVD intermittently for probably a total of 25 hours now. This weekend I took my V10 through a crash course in gaming.. plenty of fixed images (compasses, health bars, etc.) and haven't seen even a hint of image retention. So that's a relief too.

My only (minor) complaints:

1.) The set seems a bit dark to me. I haven't jacked the brightness all the way up yet, though. Still in the break in ish period, though I haven't babied it much.

2.) There is glare on dark scenes during the day time. Granted, I live in the desert and the TV is adjacent to a gigantic window. But there's enough glare for me to caution folks who are considering this set (or perhaps any plasma set) for mostly daytime viewing, unless you're willing to rearrange your living room/window/blinds/curtains setup. Since I work most of the day, it's not an issue for me.
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I'm confused. The CNET 50V10 review mentions how the blacks are the same as the G10, whereas the HD guru 54V10 review says that "the V10’s blacks were far deeper than the G10’s."
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I'm confused. The CNET 50V10 review mentions how the blacks are the same as the G10, whereas the HD guru 54V10 review says that "the V10’s blacks were far deeper than the G10’s."

Was he in THX mode for one TV while in another mode for the other? THX mode has slightly deeper blacks due to the lower light output, so that's a possibility. Also, from unit to unit, measurements can vary.

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I'm confused. The CNET 50V10 review mentions how the blacks are the same as the G10, whereas the HD guru 54V10 review says that "the V10's blacks were far deeper than the G10's."

I read that too. I don't buy it. They both use the same NeoPDP panel and drivers as far as I know. I think D-Nice said blacks were the same between the two, maybe him or someone else can chime in. I certainly didn't see a difference in the store.
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Has anyone been to Magnolia lately?

I was there Saturday and they had a 65 inch panny that had a great picture but the information on the card didn't say what model it was. The clerk at the store wasn't able to find that information out either and seem reluctant to look it up on his computer screen.

I just checked out the sets on the panny web site and, unless I missed something, only the V10 has a 65 inch screen. The price was to cheap to be the 65V10. Much to cheap.

Sorry, can't mention the price in here.

I can't handle the 65 inch screen in my house so I didn't press for more information but now I am wondering.

The panny site doesn't have any price for the 65 inch V10 but panny has had models in the stores in the past and not had price information on their site.

I don't see how it could be the 65V10 because this store doesn't even know if it is going to get the 54V10 in stock.

So I was wondering if anyone in here knows what is going on.

Maybe panny does have another model that is 65 inches and I just missed it on their web site.

So has anyone else seen this where you ilve?

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I read that too. I don't buy it. They both use the same NeoPDP panel and drivers as far as I know. I think D-Nice said blacks were the same between the two, maybe him or someone else can chime in. I certainly didn't see a difference in the store.

Yea, those results are contrary to every other review I've seen, as well as the local professional calibrators (both Dnice and ChadB). HDguru must have had a really horrible G10, a really awesome V10, or (more likely) they just forked something up trying to rush together a comparison.
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Yea, those results are contrary to every other review I've seen, as well as the local professional calibrators (both Dnice and ChadB). HDguru must have had a really horrible G10, a really awesome V10, or (more likely) they just forked something up trying to rush together a comparison.

I trust Cnet with there reviews but when it comes to HDguru, they just seem like a cheap fly by night source for HD information. I remember when I first heard about HDguru on a commercial and when I went to check the site it was a bunch of garbage they were spewing.
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Could be that the reviewer can't see it. I can't see anything like shimmer on my 50V10, and I've looked for it. My only signal source is a Panny BD60 blu-ray player. I've studied smooth single tone backgrounds and complex and detailed scenery. Up close and normal seating. Stills and motion. Quick pans and slow. It all looks great to me; no sign of any defects, much less anything I could call shimmer.

Maybe I need someone to point it out to me. But if that's the case it's not really a problem is it?

For the record I thought the review was perhaps somewhat over the top. But I've never spent any quality time with a Pioneer PDP either. If a guy who has says the V10 is a suitable successor, who am I to argue? All I really know is that the V10 looks damn fine to me!

If you have the break-in DVD/thumbdrive, does anything appear odd about the gray slides? Do they appear/project differently than the others?
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Has anyone been to Magnolia lately?

I was there Saturday and they had a 65 inch panny that had a great picture but the information on the card didn't say what model it was. The clerk at the store wasn't able to find that information out either and seem reluctant to look it up on his computer screen.

I just checked out the sets on the panny web site and, unless I missed something, only the V10 has a 65 inch screen. The price was to cheap to be the 65V10. Much to cheap.

Sorry, can't mention the price in here.

I can't handle the 65 inch screen in my house so I didn't press for more information but now I am wondering.

The panny site doesn't have any price for the 65 inch V10 but panny has had models in the stores in the past and not had price information on their site.

I don't see how it could be the 65V10 because this store doesn't even know if it is going to get the 54V10 in stock.

So I was wondering if anyone in here knows what is going on.

Maybe panny does have another model that is 65 inches and I just missed it on their web site.

So has anyone else seen this where you ilve?

Jim

I could be wrong, but the model you were probably looking at was the 65PZ800u. They have one on display at my local Best Buy as well, and as you mention the price seemed low for a 65", probably 'cause they are trying to clear out the remaining stock. I am anxiously awaiting for the 58V10 to be released, August is right around the corner!
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Yea, those results are contrary to every other review I've seen, as well as the local professional calibrators (both Dnice and ChadB). HDguru must have had a really horrible G10, a really awesome V10, or (more likely) they just forked something up trying to rush together a comparison.

Well, the interesting part, was if you read the review and looked at the photos of the two, there was definitely a difference in black level between the two sets.

So the difference is real, the question becomes did Panasonic rev their firmware/panels/hardware at some point recently with the newer models to account for the difference, or is it possibly a calibration difference or some other issue. Could be all of the above, I guess.
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Has anyone been to Magnolia lately? I was there Saturday and they had a 65 inch panny that had a great picture but the information on the card didn't say what model it was. The clerk at the store wasn't able to find that information out either and seem reluctant to look it up on his computer screen. I just checked out the sets on the panny web site and, unless I missed something, only the V10 has a 65 inch screen. The price was to cheap to be the 65V10. Much to cheap.

I don't see how it could be the 65V10 because this store doesn't even know if it is going to get the 54V10 in stock. So I was wondering if anyone in here knows what is going on. Maybe panny does have another model that is 65 inches and I just missed it on their web site.

The 65V10 hasn't been released to the public yet so what you saw at Magnolia is the 11G TH-65PZ850U. The 65PZ850U has been available for almost a year and is still the current 65" model, but will be replaced by the 65V10 in August. Magnolia is kinda stuck with the 65PZ850U - the one at my local BB/Magnolia is priced several hundred more than what a Forum sponsor is listing the new and much better 65V10 for.

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What are the advantages/disadvantages with the one sheet of glass vs. the two sheets of glass on the 58"+ pannys?
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What are the advantages/disadvantages with the one sheet of glass vs. the two sheets of glass on the 58"+ pannys?

They all have two sheets of glass! The "one sheet" design means that the glass extends to cover the frame.
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Both of you are probably right that what I saw at BB must have been the 11G
TH-65PZ850U. It had a great picture and if the V10 looks better then the 850U it must be amazing.

Thanks for answering that.

My problem is trying to decide between the 54V10 or the 500M.

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Here is a review of the Panasonic 54V10 from HD Guru.

"The New King of HD Displays"

http://hdguru.com/the-new-king-of-hd...-reviewed/458/
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+1 9ft viewing distance for my 54V10

I'm looking at getting either the 54V10 or else the 58V10. My couch sits 9-12 feet back from the wall (9 feet from the front of the couch, 12 feet from the back of it), so my viewing distance would be right about 10 1/2 feet sitting on the couch to the wall. Even if I mount the TV against the wall which I'm planning, adding on the bracket and the depth of the TV means shaving off like 4-6 inches from that I would guess, so I would be right about 10 feet from the screen at normal viewing distance.

would the 58" TV be too big for that distance, or is the 54" V10 more optimal for that distance? I don't want to be shifting my eyes back and forth on the screen while watching things if its too big. I was sold on the 54" V10, but now Im wondering if I should suck it up and get the 58", or if the 54" is really a more optimal TV for a 10 foot viewing distance.

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