Originally Posted by winston9332
I do not want to hijack V10 discussions into a comparison with pioneer, but i am also in the market and debating the two. Your last comment in respects of recommending the Panny over the pioneer because of its brightness puzzled me a bit. i thought the greatest benefit of plasma over LCD outside of motion fluidity was the ability to produce dark blacks. It's my understanding that the Pioneer kuros - 8g and 9g - still produce darker blacks than the current 12G Panasonics.
Lets add the limited viewing angles of most LCDs plus poor blacks, plus poor motion handling which I think truly disqualifies them from serious consideration.
However, I don't want to open up another Pioneer versus Panasonic debate.
My Panasonic 58" 800U has extremely dark blacks! CNET cited them as noticeably lower than even a 50" 2008 Panasonic.
Generally on the best HDTVs this spec has gotten a bit exaggerated!!! Any room light will reflect off the screen and lessens the impact of the deepest blacks. In my case, a single 25 watt bulb in the far corner of a very large room begins to wash them out. Don't get me wrong - my blacks are very black but turn on a dim light and black levels do not seem quite as important.
On the very best TVs - Pioneer and Panasonic - I feel lower black levels are a case of diminishing returns. Most viewers will never see how deep these blacks can go because of some ambient room light.
What is often not appreciated is that large plasmas (according to CNET and my personal experiences) can be a bit dim. Add some room light and you could be disappointed. I had to really push my 2008 Panny to get a decent light output with even one light on in the room.
That is one man's opinion - please no Pioneer versus Panasonic debates.
I am simply happy the new Panasonics offer greater luminance (brightness). I plan to buy one.
I'm sure if I had an HDTV with poor black levels this topic would be more important but with top notch sets like the Panasonic and Pioneer I think black levels have become somewhat exaggerated and luminence (peak white - aka brightness) is too often ignored.