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Old 04-17-2014, 06:12 PM
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The Curved Gamma 2.4 Settings For Movie Mode HDMI and Component Inputs

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are the curve gamma 2.4 settings for movie modes, with graphs of gamma curves for hdmi and component inputs. As recommended from other members, the gamma curve goes to 2.2 @ 0 ire for more "pop" and results in brightness settings on AVS Forum 709 Brightness pattern with bar 17 and above flashing. The graphs show gamma curve above 70 ire increasing for some unknown reason, perhaps the tv was designed this way.

This may be the last posting unless I find another technique.

curvedgamma2.4hdmi.jpg 101k .jpg file
curvedgamma2.4component.jpg 102k .jpg file

[Unrelated Tip: If you use an amplified indoor antenna for OTA, you may want to put a 0-20 variable attenuator on its maximum setting on the tv's cable input to improve reception - see HDTV Technical Forum for further information or recommendations]

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 88
brightness 53
sharpness 9 updated (maximum sharpness technique)
color 48
tint 51/49
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 26 Green 30 Blue 6
Gain Red 34 Green 23 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.



“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 86
brightness 53
sharpness 9 updated (maximum sharpness technique)
color 48
tint 52/48
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 32 Green 34 Blue 16
Gain Red 39 Green 29 Blue 13
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

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10% Window 22% APL Revisted:

Greetings Colleagues,

I am working on an old recommendation for plasma calibrations to use 10% Window 22% APL patterns. I did extensive reviews of discussions on patterns to use with plasmas and I noticed that the one seasoned forum member that strongly recommended their use appeared to be experienced specifically in calibrating samsung tvs, while the others had other types, such as panasonic, LG, etc. Also, a samsung website recently stated that regular and apl windows may be used.

So I thought that I would try to see if these windows are better for our samsung and post new settings for component and hdmi inputs. Preliminarily, I have already completed the hdmi settings but they may need a little tweaking (took 6-7 hours - very difficult patterns to work with but I finally got the gamma curve a little flatter.)

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10% Window 22% APL Revisted HDMI Settings:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are the 10% window 22% apl pattern settings for HDMI modes. I have emailed the Learned Zoyd and he recommends for plasma calibrations window sizes between 6% - 11%, with apl above 20% and below 35%. The standard mode has gamma @ 2.0 with brightness adjusted with AVS Forum 709 apl clipping pattern with bar 20 flashing. The movie mode has gamma @ 2.4, but 2.2 @ 0 ire, with brightness adjusted with AVS Forum 709 brightness clipping pattern with bar 17 flashing. These settings may be slightly tweaked later on.

Component settings, and slightly tweaked hdmi settings, should be posted by this weekend.


“The HDMI Settings”

HDMI 1 Input

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 83
brightness 46
sharpness 8 (Maximum Sharpness Technique without squinting)
color 49
tint 51/49
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 29 Green 29 Blue 47
Gain Red 19 Green 14 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 86
brightness 53
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique without squinting)
color 48
tint 52/48
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 30 Green 32 Blue 41
Gain Red 50 Green 36 Blue 17
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

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So how do you think these new settings compare with all of the ones you have posted? I think it's great that you still continue to take the time to tweak this set with it being as old as it is now. But don't get me wrong, I love having new settings to try on it. smile.gif
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The 10% Window 22% APL Revisted HDMI Settings appear to have more and better color detail and perception, especially in dark scenes. I can actually see some various grades of color that I did not see before. The colors look a little deeper and I had to double check to see if I had accidentally changed the color space to native. The first thing I noticed while calibrating was that these patterns revealed rgb settings were way off (not even close) between 0 ire and 30 ire. Correcting this issue may have alone corrected some detail problems for the movie mode. The real problem was pushing this tv to its limits (a lot of color clipping) in trying to apply the new adjustment techniques for movie and standard modes. Adjusting the component inputs, however, should be easier because I kind of know what to expect from the hdmi settings.

I believe that Zoyd (i.e. the Learned Zoyd) was and is correct on the use of these patterns for the samsung plasma. I am not sure how these patterns would apply to other tvs. I will probably tweak the hdmi settings and do the component settings by tomorrow.

Tweaking this tv is just a hobby that I probably developed during my engineering days. It is either do this tweaking or cut grass. I prefer calibration over cutting grass.
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10% Window 22% APL Revisted HDMI (tweaked) and Component Settings:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are the 10% Window 22% APL settings for hdmi and component settings. Some adjustments to hdmi settings to improve adjustments. Didn't take that long to do component settings as these settings were extrapolated from the hdmi settings.

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 85
brightness 47
sharpness 8 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 20 Green 30 Blue 45
Gain Red 16 Green 10 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 83
brightness 54
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 48
tint 51/49
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 30 Green 17 Blue 23
Gain Red 44 Green 34 Blue 14
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 83
brightness 46
sharpness 8 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 49
tint 51/49
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 21 Green 29 Blue 42
Gain Red 19 Green 14 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 83
brightness 53
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 48
tint 52/48
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 36 Green 32 Blue 33
Gain Red 46 Green 36 Blue 15
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

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Hey LDouglasLJr,

What do you think about the most recent settings?

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Hey Vincent, sorry for the long delay. Between work and the kids time has been short lately. But I finally got a chance to test these newest settings this past weekend and had some extended viewing time with them.

Must say they look very good. That was during the day time I thought they looked good, then after it was dark wow. The picture really came alive and is quite impressive.

So I think the picture looks very good, not sure it can get better anymore but you've surprised me in the past.
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Final Settings

Final 10% Window 22% APL HDMI and Component Settings:

Greetings Colleagues, and (by the way) happy father's day LDouglasLJr:

Herein are perhaps my final settings for hdmi and component inputs, which used the 10% Window 22% APL calibration windows. There are some minor changes from the last posted settings, with some minor tweaks to level out color and gamma.

Our tv is considered to be 720p, but in reality is a 768p tv. Fundamentally, from my research, a 720p tv such as ours will only display a native 720p picture. If the input signal is other than 720p, the tv will convert the signal up or down to translate it into its native 720p broadcast. Understanding this fundamental process, I changed my blu ray format from 1080i to display 720p content during my calibrations for my final settings below. See the Wisegeek: http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-...080p-hdtvs.htm

Before doing any final calibrations, I was hoping that my tv would somehow breakdown so that I can purchase a newer model tv. But that didn't happen. However, I read a recent web article that stated that there is essentially no difference between 720p and 1080p if you are watching television shows, which I do; but a significant difference if you watch streaming videos or blu ray movies with 1080p content.

Also, I am looking into Roku as a substitute for my cable tv service.

Nonetheless, herein are the settings:

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9 or screen fit
cell light 10
contrast 85
brightness 47
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 20 Green 30 Blue 45
Gain Red 16 Green 10 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9 or screen fit
cell light 9
contrast 84
brightness 54
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 48
tint 51/49
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 27 Green 27 Blue 21
Gain Red 48 Green 16 Blue 14
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9 or screen fit
cell light 10
contrast 83
brightness 46
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 49
tint 51/49
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 18 Green 29 Blue 42
Gain Red 22 Green 14 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 84
brightness 53
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 48
tint 52/48
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 33 Green 26 Blue 18
Gain Red 48 Green 36 Blue 16
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

Your colleague in picture quality,

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Thanks Vincent Happy Fathers Day to you as well, I believe you said you had kids.

I'll give these settings a try tonight. I too have too wanting a newer set but this one is still working great and I can't see getting rid of it just to get a newer model.
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The "Game Mode" Indirect Impact (?)

Game Mode Indirect Impact (?)

Greetings Colleagues,

This is not a posting of new settings, rather, this is a posting about an indirect impact that the game mode may have on this hdtv.

From what I have reviewed, the game mode for this tv is for use in eliminating a lag when connecting the tv to game consoles. Turning this mode on will turn off some of the tv's video processors to decrease lag in gaming, but the picture quality is degraded. This game mode (turning it on) jacks up sharpness and contrast and it lowers brightness, and the greyscale settings go to default. When you turn off the game mode, your calibrated settings for movie and standard will return.

However, I think that I have noticed some indirect benefits from this game mode by turning it on for about a couple of minutes then turning it off. This initially shuts off some of the tv's processors (by turning on the game mode) and then turns them back on (by turning off the game mode). After I have done this complete process a couple of times (turning on game mode then turning it off), I noticed that the video quality may have improved. I do not know if this resets the video processors, etc., and therefore readjust and improve picture quality. The only thing that I know is that the picture quality looks a little better.

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The Upcoming Native Settings

Greetings Colleagues,

I have been reviewing some of the recent discussions on the forum, which includes subjects on "color gamuts" and the possible benefits on using wider gamuts during calibrations. I have noticed that, after reading this material, that I have yet to calibrate our tv using the native color space using recent techniques.

Therefore, in the upcoming, you will see a posting for native color space settings using recent techniques. The auto color space settings previously posted will be tweaked either today or tomorrow and just updated in its original June 13, 2014 posting.

Still around,

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The Native Color Space

The Native Color Space Settings using 10% Window 22% APL, HDMI and Component Settings:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are the native color space settings using recent techniques. The colors should be a little more vibrant than using the auto color space setting. Contrast for movie modes were adjusted down a notch to avoid tinting, and gains were adjusted upward to level out gamma curve for movie modes. Substantial changes were color and tint settings for both modes.


“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9 or screen fit
cell light 10
contrast 85
brightness 47
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 51
tint 50/50
Gamma +1
native color space
offsets Red 20 Green 30 Blue 45
Gain Red 16 Green 10 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9 or screen fit
cell light 9
contrast 82
brightness 54
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 51
tint 51/49
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 28 Green 27 Blue 22
Gain Red 50 Green 36 Blue 19
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI

8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9 or screen fit
cell light 10
contrast 83
brightness 47
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 51
tint 51/49
Gamma +1
native color space
offsets Red 18 Green 29 Blue 42
Gain Red 22 Green 14 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 82
brightness 53
sharpness 9 (Maximum Sharpness Technique)
color 51
tint 50/50
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 30 Green 30 Blue 27
Gain Red 50 Green 39 Blue 18
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

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Lastly,

Greetings Friends,

One last recommendation. You may want to change or turn your HD signal input (cable, dish, etc.) to 720p instead of native. I noticed that our television goes through a little more processing when using an input other than 720p.

Finally, I done bought me a guitar and, with lessons, my finger tips are a hurtin'. I will be out a while tryin' to learn to play.

Good luck and I will only report again if there is a new technique or if I purchase a new television.

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The S/PDIF Digital Input

Seasons Greetings Colleagues,

Recently, while plucking the guitar with lessons from jamplay, I decided to change the audio input from coaxial to toslink cable. The toslink cable (named after Toshiba - link) is used for the s/pdif input for "optical digital audio" and can be connected between the tv and your audio device (DVD, Bose, etc.) or between the cable box and your audio device (bypasses tv - I use this setup to listen to audio directly from cable service). You need to change the tv's "speaker select" in the sound section of the user menu to "external speakers." I purchased a toslink cable from monoprice and the sound quality is great.

Also, I have just been advised that our tv does indeed have hue controls (quasi CMS controls) and, if I can find them on my tv, I will recalibrate the tv with these controls, including the computer vga input.

Update: Found the hue and saturation settings in the service menu. In a few days I will look at these settings, but I do not like changing the settings in the service menu - not because I am afraid of the service menu, but because I do not want to encourage others in going into the service menu. If you do not know what you are doing in this menu you can destroy your tv.

Still plucking away,

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The Service Menu Hue and Saturation Settings

Greetings Colleagues,

I have reviewed some old materials on primaries and secondaries calibration and the recommendations appear to be that the user menu provides sufficient controls to calibrate the tv, and that there is no reason to use the service menu settings. Also, it has been stated that changing a hue or saturation setting in the service menu may in turn impact and change other parameters, such as luminance.

There does not appear to be any definitive discussion in this forum on how to use these settings. Nonetheless, I have checked my most recent calibration settings for this tv and the primaries and secondaries do not appear to be that far off from standard measurements.

Therefore I will not adjust the hue and saturation (CMS) settings in the service menu because it appears that adjusting these settings will cause more problems than benefits.

Have a great holiday season, now back to guitar pluckin'.

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I knew you couldn't resist coming back here.

Any reason that you use a higher color temperature than d65 when using standardMode and nativecolorspace?
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Standard Modes and Native Color Space

Greetings Vic12345,

Sometimes you have to put down the guitar and see what's happening in the tech world.

I use higher color temperature for standard mode as recommended by "some" seasoned members of this forum. It gives a higher perspective of the contrast ratio to make the picture better. The whites may appear whiter for an apparent higher contrast ratio (calibrated closer to the blue area of the CIE graph) and I make sure that the x and y targets are along the CCT line in the white space of the graph.

The native color space is merely another color space option to make the colors bloom more. If you see my settings, you will also see calibrations for the auto color space. Some people like native while others like auto. It just comes down to personal preference.

Now back to guitar pluckin'.

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Ok thanks.Ive tried native cs and standard mode but always have problems with saturation levels.I find auto cs with a red push mostly on light screens and higher color(about 55) seems too work right now on my e450.Man it's a pain trying too get it right.2+ yrs of endless adjusting gets way too much.
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Achieving Perfection (?)

Vic12345,

You probably already achieved about the best calibrated picture without realizing it. Electrical devices, such as televisions, will provide only theoretical perfection while in reality give close approximations. Television devices have technical limitations (for example my television clips blue when attempting to set a color temperature higher than 8000K), and even if you can somehow achieve a perfectly calibrated tv, our eyes are limited in what we can perceive and may not notice any difference (for example, when calibrating for D65, delta E should be below 4, but the eye will probably not notice any difference in picture quality below 4, that is, a delta E of 0 may not provide a better picture).

These are the reasons why I look at what the majority of the members are saying (in their quests to achieve perfection), but I also look at what a minority of members are recommending to achieve a perceived quality picture. Also, this is why I picked up a guitar. I feel that I had done learn'd everything that I could possibly know about calibration that I just had to go on to something else.

Good luck and keep pluckin' away!

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Every adjustment that helps in some way hurts it in another,and each individual model tv probably requires a slightly different way of adjusting it with the way the abl works.One thing I won't be doing is learning guitar as I tried it and Noway I could figure it out. Cheers
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As ChromaPure, EyeOne Display and Monoprice are to calibration, jamplay is to guitars. If you have the foundation, then you will succeed.

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