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Okay, since this thread is chock-full of suggestions, I have reduced my Sharpness to 20, turned off Edge Enhancement, Black Tone, and Dynamic Contrast, turned up the Cell Light to 10, and everyone has left my living-room because they no longer feel like watching tv.

Are there more adjustments I can make to keep the door-to-door salesmen away too? Is the answer in the audio settings by chance?
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Lol. I know the shot was from a camera and just tv, but it was nothing to brag about. I'm going to try and shoot some pics tonight.
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[quote=WSenkow;16780240]Okay, since this thread is chock-full of suggestions, I have reduced my Sharpness to 20, turned off Edge Enhancement, Black Tone, and Dynamic Contrast, turned up the Cell Light to 10, and everyone has left my living-room because they no longer feel like watching tv.

LMAOROF
Put it back to what it was originally on, its your set and your eyes you chose whats best. I did try your settings and I liked them but I just happen to like Dans better but that my opinion. Dans did his with tools and you did yours with eyes and you did a great job also. The most important thing is that you are happy with your tv. Now for the bright side of everyone leaveing the room is you get to watch what you want to watch
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What member is Dan?
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that would be stereomandan would be "Dan", sorry bout that.
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Standard Mode - Calibrated using combo DVE and AVSHD Disc
Cell Light = 10
Contrast = 70
Brightness = 47
Sharpness = 50
Color = 40
Tint = G47/R53

Black Tone = Off
Dynamic Contrast = Medium
Gamma = -1
Color Space = Auto
White Balance = Default
Flesh Tone = 0
Edge Enhancement = Off

Pics below are using my above Standard mode and Dan's settings. I won't say which are which at this point. They're just numbered. 1's are all the same mode, as are the 2's. Pics kinda suck but its the best I could do at the moment. You can pretty much tell the differences though.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure these first two are supposed to be based on a gray image. It was from the AVSHD.

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I also question sometimes when people talk about "black detail" and stuff. I mean in some cases how can you be so sure that what you're seeing is what was intended to be seen? We all know alterations are made to movies/scenes on the editing floor for certain effects.

Know what I mean?
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Wow picture 1 def. looks better. Also, I now have about 120 Hours on the Plasma. Is it safe to game now and should I keep my Brightness and Contrast at 50%. I think it looks better when the contrast and brightness are turned up, but I also don't want to kill my Plasma
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Wow picture 1 def. looks better. Also, I now have about 120 Hours on the Plasma. Is it safe to game now and should I keep my Brightness and Contrast at 50%. I think it looks better when the contrast and brightness are turned up, but I also don't want to kill my Plasma

If you have the same pn42b450 panel I can tell you not to really worry. I adjusted the settings a little bit during my like 150hr break in, but I basically used Standard Mode the whole time, then calibrated after. I wouldn't worry so much about burn-in and IR. It's rare that you'll actually get IR that won't clear.

I would go ahead and calibrate your set how you see fit and then enjoy. There's the pixel shift which by default is set to 2x2 pixels every 2 minutes (I think) and you can use the scrolling feature to clear any small stuff that might pop up.

I can tell you that in the almost 4 months owning it I haven't seen any burn-in. And I've just left images on the screen for a bit too.
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This is the camera I used. If anyone has suggestions on how to get some better pictures I'm all ears. I plan to do some researching tonight.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Cybershot.../ref=de_a_smtd
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I've found that using a tripod and setting the timer helps get a very stable clear picture. Also, using the daylight mode helps get the correct color temperature, since it tends to reference 6500K, or closer to how our TV's are calibrated.

Just make sure you use the same settings for all pics.

I have a Canon and a Samsung digital camera, and I have a MUCH easier time with the Canon getting it to take pictures that actually match what I see on the screen. Problem is, it's an old 2MP A60, and I think it just died last week.

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I've found that using a tripod and setting the timer helps get a very stable clear picture. Also, using the daylight mode helps get the correct color temperature, since it tends to reference 6500K, or closer to how our TV's are calibrated.

Just make sure you use the same settings for all pics.

I have a Canon and a Samsung digital camera, and I have a MUCH easier time with the Canon getting it to take pictures that actually match what I see on the screen. Problem is, it's an old 2MP A60, and I think it just died last week.

Dan

What do you think of the shots? They're pretty close to what I was seeing. I'll fiddle with it more. Not sure what my daylight mode is but I'll check it out. No tripod though. I was trying to steady it on my knee, haha.

I can tell you that the camera's Auto mode made a heavy, heavy blue image.
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What do you think of the shots? They're pretty close to what I was seeing.

Oh they are absolutely stunning dallows, the finest I have ever seen, or even imagined! I'd swear that pret' near DVD quality. Great job!!!
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Oh they are absolutely stunning dallows, the finest I have ever seen, or even imagined! I'd swear that pret' near DVD quality. Great job!!!

Don't get upset just because mine looks better.
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What do you think of the shots? They're pretty close to what I was seeing. I'll fiddle with it more. Not sure what my daylight mode is but I'll check it out. No tripod though. I was trying to steady it on my knee, haha.

I can tell you that the camera's Auto mode made a heavy, heavy blue image.

I was holding off saying which I like better because I'm travelling and am looking at the pics with a so-so laptop monitor. The #1 pictures look much better, more natural, on this computer. The #2 have a red tint on this monitor. I'll have to make sure to take pictures of my B450 with my settings for comparison.

Are you going to give in and say which is which?

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I was holding off saying which I like better because I'm travelling and am looking at the pics with a so-so laptop monitor. The #1 pictures look much better, more natural, on this computer. The #2 have a red tint on this monitor. I'll have to make sure to take pictures of my B450 with my settings for comparison.

Are you going to give in and say which is which?

Dan

Going to take a few more from a different movie tonight. Trying to get this camera down. Probably tell you guys tomorrow.

How long are you traveling for?
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Guys, I'm scared crapless to game on my Plasma! I want to play some Gears of War 2 for around 3 hours, But I'm to scared of Burn in!!!!!!!. I wish I could just enjoy my purchased PN42B450B1D. I have around 125 Hours on it and about 70 of those with the break in DVD.
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Guys, I'm scared crapless to game on my Plasma! I want to play some Gears of War 2 for around 3 hours, But I'm to scared of Burn in!!!!!!!. I wish I could just enjoy my purchased PN42B450B1D. I have around 125 Hours on it and about 70 of those with the break in DVD.

You have nothing to worry about. Half of my B450's usage is gaming, both ps3 and xbox360. No issues. Don't worry so much!
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More Pics. Same settings. Some are a bit worse though. Still fairly accurate. Obviously not as I see it though. Also not optimal viewing. Had the kitchen light on for the girlfriend.

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Im going to take a wild guess and say #1 is standard mode. I say that because I remember Dallows saying that in movie mode with warm2 it has a more yellowish tinge. I notice that myself in my tv when switching from normal to warm2. You dont even have to switch between satandard and movie, it basically just the color tone. With that being said I still prefer warm2 and movie using Dans settings. once again thank you Dan absolutely stunning
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Couple questions and notes that I'm not sure I mentioned(others I probably have).

When I take Dan's settings and then look at the calibration discs, the colors are off. Doesn't make sense to me. I know he used actual equip and a color-meter, butto me it should match, no?

If you're seeing too much blue it's either you monitor, OR the camera. I would lean more towards the camera because it takes very blue pictures using the auto mode and I think it carries over into the other modes. Without heavy adjustments I found a mode that worked okay, but it's not going to match exactly with what I see in person obviously.

Lastly, when switching back and forth from my Standard to Dan's Movie mode there is very little difference in the colors. Only the brightness and clarity of the image. I wish I could take out Dynamic so switching back and forth would be easier, lol.

I still can't get passed the overall cloudy and overcast look to Movie/Warm2 Nothing looks as clear as it should. You take a movie like bolt or wall-e and those are obviously very clear, crisp movies. You just don't get that picture in Movie mode.
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Im going to take a wild guess and say #1 is standard mode. I say that because I remember Dallows saying that in movie mode with warm2 it has a more yellowish tinge. I notice that myself in my tv when switching from normal to warm2. You dont even have to switch between satandard and movie, it basically just the color tone. With that being said I still prefer warm2 and movie using Dans settings. once again thank you Dan absolutely stunning

Sorry, just figured I'd pop in here as a B650 owner, but I have the same feeling about his shots. The second picture in each set is probably warm2, and I definitely notice an unnatural red overcast to the entire screen.

My warm2 mode definitely doesn't experience this. Here is my photo album where you can see everything is in warm2 mode (although taken with a crappy camera):

http://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz275/sconan2/

Now obviously the B650 is different than the B450, but it IS weird that dallows first picture in each set mirrors my warm2 mode pictures.
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Sorry, just figured I'd pop in here as a B650 owner, but I have the same feeling about his shots. The second picture in each set is probably warm2, and I definitely notice an unnatural red overcast to the entire screen.

My warm2 mode definitely doesn't experience this. Here is my photo album where you can see everything is in warm2 mode (although taken with a crappy camera):

http://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz275/sconan2/

Now obviously the B650 is different than the B450, but it IS weird that dallows first picture in each set mirrors my warm2 mode pictures.

Yes, 1 is Standard calibrated and 2 is Dan's Movie/Warm2 settings.
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Aeonus mine is the 42b450 and mine doesnt do that either. Like I said I notice a difference between normal and warm2 but not that bad. I have the day off today and I'll try to take some flicks but like many others camera aint so great and photos arent my thing but I'll do my best
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Wonder if there's something up with my set.

Kanpol, can you get the revision number off the side? On mine the sticker is located on the right side.
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Kanpol, can you get the revision number off the side? On mine the sticker is located on the right side.


I got the version # if thats what you are talking bout (SK08)
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dallows, your series of shots in Standard mode are very good, in fact to me it seems to make more sense that way then in Movie mode which is like painting on a brown canvas.

However if the Movie mode has several symptoms, background color and clarity for starters, you may consider resetting display options to default which is done off your menu, or, a global reset of all settings (back to factory default) by holding the EXIT button for a length of time. The manual also says to unplug the tv for 30 seconds or more, but I don't know if you do this first or last.

I hope it gets resolved as we do love this line of tv.
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I got the version # if thats what you are talking bout (SK08)

Mine was manufactured in April 2009 and the # is SC04.


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dallows, your series of shots in Standard mode are very good, in fact to me it seems to make more sense that way then in Movie mode which is like painting on a brown canvas.

However if the Movie mode has several symptoms, background color and clarity for starters, you may consider resetting display options to default which is done off your menu, or, a global reset of all settings (back to factory default) by holding the EXIT button for a length of time. The manual also says to unplug the tv for 30 seconds or more, but I don't know if you do this first or last.

I hope it gets resolved as we do love this line of tv.

I'll check the manual and try resetting it both ways. I don't think resetting to the defaults in the user menu will do anything.
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Dallows, I am loving Picture #1. Could you kindly give me your settings!
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Well, now that I've had a chance to see the photos on a decent monitor, I can say without a doubt that my plasma looks nothing like the #2 photos. I don't have the red tint, the fuzzy picture, the lack of "pop" as seen in the #2 photos. Mine has neutral greys, a very clear picture, and good shadow detail while maintaining good dynamics.

I'm surprised that some see such a large "degradation" in Movie, warm 2 mode.

Either there is significant unit to unit variation with these plasmas, or dallows camera is having a major impact on the orignal image. My guess is that dallows B450 just doesn't calibrate the same as mine. If this is true, then it is a major bummer since our settings won't be universal.

I will take photos of my settings, on my plasma, and once I post them, we can discuss further.

dallows, if you are using my settings, change the gamma to -1, like you have in your standard mode, and it may help significanly with any "cloudy" look you may be seeing.

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