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I'm currently cooking an egg (over easy) on my B860. Does anyone know if this will mess up the screen? It's taking forever! Also, it's hard to watch content with egg on there, is this a known issue?

Try duct taping a piece of cheese to the top back portion of your set. Maybe try a piece of Velveeta. If you run your set long enough it should melt and you can make some nachos.
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I'm not particularly concerned about heat issues. Talking to an exec at Samsung and one of their larger repair centers, they haven't had many issues related to heat failure.

Well it's only been a few months for crying out loud. Somebody here just a few posts ago said their TV conked out on them. Perhaps the heat was partially to blame.
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Well it's only been a few months for crying out loud. Somebody here just a few posts ago said their TV conked out on them. Perhaps the heat was partially to blame.

And maybe not at all.
Remember CRTs got very hot esp on rear projection units.
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I got some bad news guys unfortunately i was accidently looking at a blank screen when i noticed some outlines of various HD channel logos,almost all of them.However faint and difficult to notice they are and don`t really affect the picture quality ,it seems to be an infra red burn in problem that is supposed to be not a problem in the year 2009:-)
Well i guess the sooner the Panasonic Plasma z series comes out the better or maybe the LG 55LH95 which the ultimate tv set that will cost a bomb and outperform all manufacturers i guess.
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Dittos on the 58B860... 6 days running: no issues & a great picture.[IMG]http://****************/smilies/img/2659/*************************[/IMG]

Great to hear! [IMG]http://****************/smilies/img/2658/*************************[/IMG]
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Try duct taping a piece of cheese to the top back portion of your set. Maybe try a piece of Velveeta. If you run your set long enough it should melt and you can make some nachos.

Yes, cooking on the back of the set is much better for actual viewing. Thanks for the tip!
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Well it's only been a few months for crying out loud. Somebody here just a few posts ago said their TV conked out on them. Perhaps the heat was partially to blame.

And really you're so full of it.
YOU know why....you're' just stirring the pot because that's what you like to do.
You don't offer any help or assistance here. Many of your comments are pulled out of your ***.

All you do is run your mouth/keyboard.

This is a owners forum do you own a 850/860?

If you don't go play somewhere else PLEASE.

Unless you want to offer solutions or facts....go smoke.
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Well it's only been a few months for crying out loud. Somebody here just a few posts ago said their TV conked out on them. Perhaps the heat was partially to blame.

Then again, perhaps not.
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Well it's only been a few months for crying out loud. Somebody here just a few posts ago said their TV conked out on them. Perhaps the heat was partially to blame.[IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG]

Yeah this is true..It could be the heat for sure but it would be good to find a clear diagnosis for this, little off putting.
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I feel bad for the folks that are getting units that buzz so loud that it overwhelms everything even at loud volumes. But, I have yet to experience that with my unit or several different ones I viewed in stores.

Knock on wood :-).


I'm not surprised that you didn't hear the buzz in stores as it is a very high frequency sound and therefore difficult to hear in a store environment. But trust me its very real and loud at home! I can hear mine from 40' away when the air is off. You can hear it when the volume is turned down to zero. It isn't quite as bad watching movies but golf, hdtv, etc. very annoying. As for the heat mine gets rather warm but so far, relatively speaking, not hot.
My replacement set is coming today.

What month was your plasma mfg. in? April, May, or June? Thanks.


May.
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Mine used about 300-350W

what setting was that

Ie movie mode
Energy save low,med or high. Thanks
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Any tips on how to improve Blacks without loosing shadow detail.

Any of the advance options
.Thanks
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Has anyone measured the power consumption on the 58 inch set, in the various modes. Cant find much on google

Yes. Both Cnet and Consumer Reports now include the amount of energy consumed.
The new Samsung 58" B850 ($68/year) actually uses less power than the 58" B650 ($80/yr). So thinner is more energy efficient, just as it is for LED lite LCDs.
The Panasonic 50" G10 uses ($49). This is proportionally close to the Samsungs.

Power consumption actually goes up for the smaller Panasonic 42" S1 at ($57/yr). Smaller cells are less efficient.

It would be nice if our government would require those appliance type yellow energy tags on displays based upon a 30ft-lambert full white screen. Only then will consumers be able to make an informed choice while at the store.
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what setting was that

Ie movie mode
Energy save low,med or high. Thanks

300-350W movie mode all other settings untouched.
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Dittos on the 58B860... 6 days running: no issues & a great picture.

Awesome....awesome TV too!
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Somebody here just a few posts ago said their TV conked out on them. Perhaps the heat was partially to blame.

That was me and as far as I can tell my set was not overly hot. So far, nobody else has claimed their set dying. I guess I'm just lucky that way.

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I have been following along as the days go by. For me, I have no problems with my 860 and I am very happy with it...therefore, for those who are happy with their sets, what settings are you guys using?

thanks.
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Documaker..we are waiting for your wisdom on 850's and 860's.....where oh where are you?

Still no buzz...heat normal.

Watched WALL-e on BD oh my god excellent.
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I have been following along as the days go by. For me, I have no problems with my 860 and I am very happy with it...therefore, for those who are happy with their sets, what settings are you guys using?

thanks.

As a starting point, I've cloned most of the settings from the 50A650 (I plan to run the "Spears & Munsil" calibration disc that came with the Oppo BDP-83).
PN58B860 Picture settings:
o Picture Mode : Movie
o Cell Light : 7
o Contrast : 78
o Brightness : 50
o Sharpness : 0
o Color : 24
o Tint : G51/R49
Advanced Settings
o Black Tone : Off
o Dynamic Contrast : Off
o Gamma : -2
o Color Space : Auto
o White Balance : Factory Default
o Fleshtone : 0
o Edge Enhancement : Off
o xvYCC : Off (Greyed Out)
Picture Options
o Color Tone : Warm 2
o Size : 16:9
o Digital NR : Off
o HDMI Black Level : Low
o 1080 Full HD Motion Demo: Off
o Film Mode : Auto 1 (Cinema Smooth for 1080P/24)
o Blue Only Mode : Off
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I recently ordered the pn58b860 at best buy, and since they didnt' have it in stock they had to order it for me. So after 2 weeks of anxiously waiting i finally got the TV delivered. Except they delivered the wrong tv. I got the 50" instead of the 58". So now they need to order the 58" again and i need to wait another 2 weeks!!! At least they are letting me use the 50" until the 58" comes in.

First impressions though, the TV is awesome. The 50" does not buzz, hopefully the 58" wont' as well.

Let the waiting begin, again.....
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First impressions though, the TV is awesome. The 50" does not buzz, hopefully the 58" wont' as well.

Let the waiting begin, again.....


John
Let us know the one you like best. The P/Q i mean.

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I have a question to all PN58B860 owners.

I have had my unit since June 9th and it seems to me that the blackness level seems to degrade after a watching for about 15 minutes, from near black to dark gray. At first it was noticeable at night. But it is even apparent during the day now.

How is the blackness level of everyone else's set? I'll try to post of pic of my unit with dark scenes for comparison. I'm hoping others can post pics as well.
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I have a question to all PN58B860 owners.

I have had my unit since June 9th and it seems to me that the blackness level seems to degrade after a watching for about 15 minutes, from near black to dark gray. At first it was noticeable at night. But it is even apparent during the day now.

How is the blackness level of everyone else's set? I'll try to post of pic of my unit with dark scenes for comparison. I'm hoping others can post pics as well.


No issues here black level is excellent....just watched 2001 Space Odyssey on BD which is a great BL test disc...not a Kuro...but it's no BL slouch in any way.
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Could it possibly mean that I may have a defective unit? One other thing that I noticed is during the scrolling of the credits the black background is more like a dark gray when there is text on the screen and changes almost to complete black when there is no text on the screen.

I'll try to get screen shots of this occurrence tonight.
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Could it possibly mean that I may have a defective unit? One other thing that I noticed is during the scrolling of the credits the black background is more like a dark gray when there is text on the screen and changes almost to complete black when there is no text on the screen.

I'll try to get screen shots of this occurrence tonight.

That behavior is *not* normal. The black level should be consistent (and pretty darn good, BTW).
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Could it possibly mean that I may have a defective unit? One other thing that I noticed is during the scrolling of the credits the black background is more like a dark gray when there is text on the screen and changes almost to complete black when there is no text on the screen.

I'll try to get screen shots of this occurrence tonight.

My B650 did that with credits - when the screen was just black it was almost like it turned off and then back to regular when the writing came back. It was distracting and made it almost seem like it was flashing. I do think the screen literally shuts down when no color is presented and then the screen comes back and that is why it seems dark gray.
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My B590 does the same thing also. It does it basically every time there is a 'fade to black'. When the screen gets "black" it almost looks like the TV is turned off, then the light grey comes back. The black level is very good so it isn't very distracting but I've still been curious about this.

I wonder if the HDMI signal literally cuts out when it is showing a pure black image?

Do other TV's do that also?


*Note* that I am ONLY talking about the TV 'popping' to pure black and not talking about my black levels woresning with viewing time. My black levels always look the same except for the 'pop to black' during fades and credits etc.
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So I just returned my Pana V10 as I think the phosphor trailing was too strong. I'm considering the B850 now but I would like your views on phosphor trailing on this TV before I'm buying?

I read this very nice review of the B850 and they mention that phosphor trailing is not as bad on B850 like on the V10: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1245336433

So, how do you find phosphor trailing on B850?
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So I just returned my Pana V10 as I think the phosphor trailing was too strong. I'm considering the B850 now but I would like your views on phosphor trailing on this TV before I'm buying?

I read this very nice review of the B850 and they mention that phosphor trailing is not as bad on B850 like on the V10: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1245336433

So, how do you find phosphor trailing on B850?

I assume you're referring to "image retention", right?
Just curious, why is this issue so importatnt to you? Are you playing games, or otherwise watch a lot of static images, like from an HTPC?

BTW, Ive not seen "image retention" issues on my 58B860 (but, I'm just watching DVD's & Uverse).
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leoduran: No, I'm not talking about image retention. Pana V10 is very, very resistant to image retention.

Phosphor trailing is the green/yellow trail on rapid movement and moving objects on the screen caused by the phosphor in the plasma pixels.
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