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Finally had the chance to unbox and test the Samsung PN58B860 to a better degree. Ultra thin, excellent contrast, and vivid colors. Excellent set overall Chad just left and will be posting a review along with calibration findings.






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Better than the 2009 Samsung LEDs?

I'm sure a comparison with Panasonic G10 series is in line as well as comparisons to Samsungs own 550/650 series?
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Sure is sexy nice blacks....
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I hope you mean Contrast. it sounds promising, and looking forward to the review
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Cleveland... Is the review coming in this tread or some other???

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Can anyone confirm if you can zoom the picture to fill the screen when watching films with black bars on the 850/860's via HDMI?
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Why on earth do you want to zoom on film, when it is supposed to be watched with bars at top and buttom? It srews the PQ

Btw those pictures looks sexy. Looking forward to the review
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Because the bars drive me mad!!!
I tend to think if I paid for say a 58inch screen then I want to use it all, I am sure others are the same I know its not as the film was meant to be but still wrong for this not to be an option in my opinion
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Because the bars drive me mad!!!
I tend to think if I paid for say a 58inch screen then I want to use it all, I am sure others are the same I know its not as the film was meant to be but still wrong for this not to be an option in my opinion

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You will of course use the zoom function during the break-in period.. Not during Hd viewing after those 200-500 hours.. Then you show the HD film using 1:1 pixel mapping with no scaling...

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I wonder what the settings are on those pictures??.. here is another picture that are from the same place in the movie. See how much more brighter the lights are!!!

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Because the bars drive me mad!!!
I tend to think if I paid for say a 58inch screen then I want to use it all, I am sure others are the same I know its not as the film was meant to be but still wrong for this not to be an option in my opinion

I totally agree with you
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Because the bars drive me mad!!!
Then by a philips 21:9, but good luck.
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I wonder what the settings are on those pictures??.. here is another picture that are from the same place in the movie. See how much more brighter the lights are!!!

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You can not use these picture . They also look black on my computer lcd screen
how is the camera setting, and so on
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Better than the 2009 Samsung LEDs?

I'm sure a comparison with Panasonic G10 series is in line as well as comparisons to Samsungs own 550/650 series?

lets say : compare to the V10. Both fully calibrated. The LEDs are not a match for this TV..
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lets say : compare to the V10. Both fully calibrated. The LEDs are not a match for this TV..

If Chad has seen a g10 or v10, it could be very funny. But forget about the LED, they have a completely different picture. viewing angle alone is enough for me not to buy led/lcd.
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PLEASE anyone can confirm that turning on 24x4 option in the service not only put cinema smooth in the menu but that it actually really does work???
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Finally had the chance to unbox and test the Samsung PN58B860 to a better degree. Ultra thin, excellent contrast, and vivid colors. Excellent set overall Chad just left and will be posting a review along with calibration findings.






Where is all the details in the lower picture.. This should have way way much more bright lights and colors on the lights..
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I saw a pn50b850 at Sears yesterday, the pq looked quite impressive and at first I thought it was an LCD being 1" deep but the sales guy said to feel the back left side....wow, this puppy gets extremely hot...not just warm, I mean hot enough to make you jerk your hand off after a few seconds...I'm sure it's been fully tested in beta, but I found it a little bit worrisome.
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I saw a pn50b850 at Sears yesterday, the pq looked quite impressive and at first I thought it was an LCD being 1" deep but the sales guy said to feel the back left side....wow, this puppy gets extremely hot...not just warm, I mean hot enough to make you jerk your hand off after a few seconds...I'm sure it's been fully tested in beta, but I found it a little bit worrisome.

You can relax about the temprature.. Remeber that these screen at sears are playing 24/7, they have cranked up brightnes, contrast and running in torse mode.. And they are running in a bad air room with no ventilation.. I can asure you that the screen would never get that warm in your livingroom if you have calibrated it good. The power consum on a calibrated tv is much less than a tv at sears...

Any other that wants to share their toughts on this?

Anyhow.. This is a owner tread.. There is another tecnikcal tread for this discussion

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Is it certain they won't have a 63" version of this panel? And how do the blacks compare with 12G Panasonics?
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This should have way way much more bright lights and colors on the lights..

I can see there is a difference, but you can not remove the color. so I can not see you can use these 2 pictures for something. not least judge a TV from them.
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is it certain they won't have a 63" version of this panel? And how do the blacks compare with 12g panasonics?

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This should have way way much more bright lights and colors on the lights..

I can see there is a difference, but you can not remove the color. so I can not see you can use these 2 pictures for something. not least judge a TV from them.

I agree. Not only are the blue color gone on the lights, but there are lights that are not there all together.. But at the same time the picture looks very sharp. The lights that are there looks way better I think. I really wonder about this setting for this particular picture.. I hope it is just the camra since I actually think that it has very good deapth and shadows..
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You can relax about the temprature.. Remeber that these screen at sears are playing 24/7, they have cranked up brightnes, contrast and running in torse mode.

I agree, I had this on for 12 hours straight and no heat "like that".
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Is it certain they won't have a 63" version of this panel? And how do the blacks compare with 12G Panasonics?

NO PN63B850 or PN63B860 for sure Blacks were almost the same as the "new" Panasonics, Chad said.

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I agree, I had this on for 12 hours straight and no heat "like that".

NO PN63B850 or PN63B860 for sure Blacks were almost the same as the "new" Panasonics, Chad said.


Cleveland.. Are the pics that you posted here of the 860 from the calibrated settings from chad?.. I was just wondering how the second picture is missing some brights lights and blue color in some of the lights.. (see the pic that I posted further up).. I hope it is something with the camera since I think that the pic look very sharp, 3d and deep black with good shadows..
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I agree, I had this on for 12 hours straight and no heat "like that".

NO PN63B850 or PN63B860 for sure Blacks were almost the same as the "new" Panasonics, Chad said.

So it seems that if you want the best blacks in a display 63-65" then the only choices still would be the 65S1 or 65V10.
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Blacks were almost the same as the "new" Panasonics, Chad said


but in bright conditions 860 must be better
because a g10 not very good in light.

I hope a 860 was a little better and almost on same level with the pioneer lx508 8 gen
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So it seems that if you want the best blacks in a display 63-65" then the only choices still would be the 65S1 or 65V10.

^^^this is not a true statement as the 63B550 Blacks are about the same as the PN58B860, per chad.
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I hope it is something with the camera since I think that the pic look very sharp, 3d and deep black with good shadows..
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I am sure it was the camera or the operator of the camera.

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^^^this is not a true statement as the 63B550 Blacks are about the same as the PN58B860, per chad.

I am sure it was the camera or the operator of the camera.

Really? I thought the 8 series Samsung plasmas had better blacks than the 5 series due to the improved antireflective screen.
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chris,

when you have the 50" 860 available for purchase ... and will it be $100 more than your listed price for the 50" 850".

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