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post #781 of 800 Old 12-13-2013, 11:38 PM
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Has anyone tried testing after overclocking their panel? 120hz instead of 60hz should half the input lag right?
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i cant believe that samsung f5500 and 5300 have different inputlags. has someone tested them by his own ?
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btw. in germany the model f5300 doesnt exist, i think its called f5000. has some tested the f5000 ? sorry for my poor englisch wink.gif
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Has anyone measured the input lag of the Samsung PN51F5300 in Movie mode? Game mode doesn't allow 10-pt white balance/gamma and PC mode doesn't even allow black optimizer. So far, I've only played NFS Rivals on the PS4 on this TV (which seems fine), so I don't know how laggy it will feel with FPS.
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The samsung 4500 has 38ms - 55ms....How in the heck does that wind up happening? How does one achieve the 38ms? :P
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Has anyone measured the input lag of the Samsung PN51F5300 in Movie mode? Game mode doesn't allow 10-pt white balance/gamma and PC mode doesn't even allow black optimizer. So far, I've only played NFS Rivals on the PS4 on this TV (which seems fine), so I don't know how laggy it will feel with FPS.

i dont have any testing equipment : i can tell you my HD CRT Tube rca 1080i as game with xbox 360 on it then i got a 9g elite and now a 60" plasma samsung 5350

I bought halo 4 for this reason. when i was playing halo4 I did not knew of stereoman or your calibrations so i had game mode on sometimes . i only played and passed halo4 heroic mode.

if anything i cannot tell of any lag , i game 98% of my tv viewing time. compared to my px75u panasonic my 5350 is better in every aspect even the energy use as i turn off all eco modes .

compared to my 9g pioneer elite pro-111 blacks are better with my elite ( i wished that samsung would of been better) on my samsung if i want blacks to be as deep as my elite it will crush blacks .

gaming on the elite to my samsung 5350 : I would say my elite better .

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i game 98% of my tv viewing time.
Holy crap, man. You're a gamer.

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Has anyone measured the input lag for the PN60F5350? I know it's supposed to be the same panel as the PN60F5300 which has a lag of 47ms, but just wanted to see if anyone has actually tested it since the similar panels PN60F5500 and PN64H5000 have about 10ms less. I play a lot of online FPS, so I'm hoping it will work for my application. Thanks!
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Getting a 51" 5300 in tomorrow. Aside from some basic image torture testing to make ensure it meets or exceeds the 51" F4500 in the ways I care about, I plan on a 3 way input lag test with the 4500, the 5300, and a small 19" CRT all connected to the same split analog input. I will attempt to take snapshots of the game clock (to the hundredths of a second) on SNES FZero and possibly some video of jumping motion in some other retro games.

I previously confirmed the F4500 has 32 to 48 ms of input lag compared to the CRT using the FZero clock test. The clocks showed a 3 to 4 hundreds of a second lag on the 4500 compared to the CRT. If I can set up all 3 sets in a way to be able to snap pics of all three, it should work pretty good.

Im guessing the input lag varies based on the source resolution being sent to the TV. My tests were done with 240p.
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Great, I'd love to hear how that goes. I'm also wondering what settings this TV needs for best input lag.
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Well, true to my luck, Im not getting the 5300 today. The darn BB truck arrived today and began unloading.... a 51" 4500. I caught it before they dollied it off the trucks electric lift.

Apparently cancelling an order / changing it 7 days before scheduled delivery causes some confusion. Now I have no idea when the 5300 will be delivered, AND, just a little prediction here, by the time I do get it, the $399 deal on the F4500 will be over-- SO, if I decide I rather the 4500 and return the 5300 before the 15 day grace period ends, I'll end up paying $50 to $100 extra for the 4500.

Im crossing my fingers that the 5300 will meet my expectations enough not to return it for a 4500, but once again, my luck with stuff like this....
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Well, BB acknowledged they screwed up and said they would send the 5300 by Saturday at the latest. OK fine. Now this evening, I get an email that said my order for the 5300 has been cancelled and the money refunded??

Something fishy is going on, and Im pretty sure Im going to get screwed somehow. I will have to call BB tomorrow morning to see what the heck is going on. It would be nice if they just sent me a TV for free, lol, but I suspect its going to be something far more sobering.

Starting to get frustrated.
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Cool

I just got home with my new PN51F5300 from Best Buy. Since they botched the delivery I got the manager to give me a 10% discount for me to pick it up, which put the set at $494.99!! Not too shabby if I say so myself!!

I plan on firing this baby up shortly to see how it compares to my F4500.
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Has anyone measured the input lag of the Samsung PN51F5300 in Movie mode? Game mode doesn't allow 10-pt white balance/gamma and PC mode doesn't even allow black optimizer. So far, I've only played NFS Rivals on the PS4 on this TV (which seems fine), so I don't know how laggy it will feel with FPS.</div>
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i dont have any testing equipment : i can tell you my HD CRT Tube rca 1080i as game with xbox 360 on it then i got a 9g elite and now a 60" plasma samsung 5350<br><br>
I bought halo 4 for this reason. when i was playing halo4 I did not knew of stereoman or your calibrations so i had game mode on sometimes . i only played and passed halo4 heroic mode.<br><br>
if anything i cannot tell of any lag , i game 98% of my tv viewing time. compared to my px75u panasonic my 5350 is better in every aspect even the energy use as i turn off all eco modes .<br><br>
compared to my 9g pioneer elite pro-111 blacks are better with my elite ( i wished that samsung would of been better) on my samsung if i want blacks to be as deep as my elite it will crush blacks .<br><br>
gaming on the elite to my samsung 5350 : I would say my elite better .
What would you suggest for the best settings for input lag on the pn60f5300? There's no renaming the input to 'PC' like the 8500 right?
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What would you suggest for the best settings for input lag on the pn60f5300? There's no renaming the input to 'PC' like the 8500 right?
Yes their is pc mode and game mode . I suspect both modes are the same . I game in standard mode

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Yes their is pc mode and game mode . I suspect both modes are the same . I game in standard mode
I think gus is right. Game really doesnt help lag, but it gives an image more true to the input / ie less image processing. When connecting a PC to the 5300, some text in Windows has tiny halos around them in normal mode. Switch to game mode and they disappear.

On the F4500, playing retro games-- 2D backgrounds exhibit strange distortion effects and shimmering while moving /scrolling when in normal mode, in game mode they dont distort at all.
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Just got finished analyzing footage of game scenes from a component input split between both sets, the 4500 and 5300. Both sets set to game mode, game is from a Wii outputting 480 widescreen. I recorded with my Sony Digital 8 camcorder, which records at 60fps.

Moving the Wii cursor around the screen in the video, I paused the 60fps DV video on my PC and stepped forward one 16.7 ms from at a time, watching the position of the cursor on the screen. In all the scenes I analyzed, the cursor position moved identically on each set, for each frame of video my camcorder shot. Frankly, I expected the 5300 to show just a bit more lag than the 4500, due to it having to upscale more pixels, but that was not the case.

Maybe a higher speed camera would show something different, but from a 60fps camera, they were absolutely identical in lag time...
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Yes their is pc mode and game mode . I suspect both modes are the same . I game in standard mode
game mode is a step down in input lag and processing. PC mode is the bare minimum in input lag and processing.


I can only speak for the f8500. but it goes something like this for normal/game/pc: 120ms/70ms/45ms


there's only a few picture options disabled in game mode, but in pc mode you basically only have control for brightness/contrast/sharpness. you can't even adjust the tint/color. I have my consoles hooked up to HDMI2 and have it set to the pc mode. the image is still spectacular, the lower input lag can only help.
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I think gus is right. Game really doesnt help lag, but it gives an image more true to the input / ie less image processing. When connecting a PC to the 5300, some text in Windows has tiny halos around them in normal mode. Switch to game mode and they disappear.

On the F4500, playing retro games-- 2D backgrounds exhibit strange distortion effects and shimmering while moving /scrolling when in normal mode, in game mode they dont distort at all.
have you adjusting settings(specifically sharpness) in both? turning on game mode resets your calibration, as does pc. each one saves it's own settings independently. I know sharpness on my f8500 is WAY too high by default, so if I didn't turn it back down to 0 after turning on game mode, it'd probably get some weird halos as well. after doing so though, I see no difference between normal and game mode. PC mode however is pretty different. a sharpness setting of 0 in normal, is about equal to 0 in game, is about equal to 30 in PC.
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Here is a video of an RGB modded SNES through component CSY-2100 which is split by Y adaptors to an Samsung 51F4500(top), 51F5300 (bottom) and an el cheapo 20" CRT.

Being an analog feed that is mechanically split, it gives the most accurate lag test experience. Only wish YT would allow 60fps videos (they will, but dont yet). As you can see from scenes that go from dark to light, the CRT is first, but its very hard to see any differences in game.

Check it out below.

Sammy F5300 vs F4500 vs CRT


Below are some photos of the same component split running Fzero featuring a timer in the centiseconds and FZero GX in the milliseconds.

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