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post #11221 of 11238 Old 08-17-2014, 02:25 AM
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Hi,

You can count me in for my 50 VT20
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Wow... just happened to check back

I have a 2009 46S1. Is that covered ? (12G ?) So I can look forward to restored black levels ?
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You never knew? Same here. But I bought a 60" ZT and then checked this forum and saw where a solution had been found.
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Ok, caught up a little

Count me in Dane on my 46S1.

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I have a 2009 46S1. Is that covered ? (12G ?) So I can look forward to restored black levels ?
Yes. I've done the reset with a 2009 S1 and it worked wonderfully.

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Yes. I've done the reset with a 2009 S1 and it worked wonderfully.

Thanks.
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Thanks for finding a solution. Amazing. What's the latest estimate on when the device will be available ?
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Thanks for finding a solution. Amazing. What's the latest estimate on when the device will be available ?
Check out his blog. Last I heard was Sept. You can sign up for an email update.
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Quote:Originally Posted by VFR

Your numbers appear high when compared to published numbers.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=418113


Could be. I do not believe for one second though that a 60U could have a 0.012ftL MLL (that's lower than the 700U's on the chart!). I am only using an i1 D2/LT so I don't claim to have the most accurate results, but I have seen others on this forum corroborate the ~0.03ftL MLL measurement for 9G/10G Panny's.

AFAIK there was a big step forward with the 11G models in black levels, the 9G and 10G were pretty similar to each other. Corroborated this with my own experience -- I had a 600U, now have a 10UK, my friend has a 9UK, and my brother and parents have 11G models (PZ80 and PX80 respectively). So I have plenty of time with all of them. The black levels on the 11G's are obviously better when the room is darkened.

I will try to go take measurements of my friends/family's sets though and see if they pass the "smell test". I could certainly believe that my i1 is starting to lose it a bit...

EDIT: here is a summary of the published measures from HT Mag on Panny plasmas...
http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/index.html

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42PX25 ---- 0.027 ft-L42PX500U -- 0.027 ft-L42PX60U --- 0.012 ft-L42PZ700U -- 0.015 ft-L50PZ700U -- 0.017 ft-L50PZ750U -- 0.018 ft-L50PZ85U --- 0.010 ft-L50PZ800U -- 0.013 ft-L65VX100U -- 0.005 ft-L42G10 ----- 0.014 ft-L46G10 ----- 0.009 ft-L58V10 ----- 0.005 ft-L

To me the 60U measurement sticks out as an anomaly.
Anyone think the 50PZ85U --- 0.010 ft-L is an anomaly too?
I just measured my PZ80 because I thought the black level has gotten worse, and got 0.017 ft-L but it has 4000 hrs. So I don't know if this is just normal, expected due to age or I have the rising issue.

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As I posted just a couple days ago, my wife was in the hospital for 6 days with blood clots in her lungs. Before that we were in Las Vegas for Blackhat and DEFCON hacker conferences, and before that a week at the beach for a family reunion.. And on top if that I swapped the red and green LED's on the board and had to ship them back to be repaired-- so I've had precious little time to work on it. But I am through with travel and my sweet wife has been given back to me and I'm anxious to get back to the PMCv1! Mondays are my usual PMCv1 days, and I expect this coming to be no different. I am even going to TRY to squeeze in some time this weekend if possible.

I am so encouraged and grateful for the well-wishes received here and on the website. Thank you all for hanging in there after delay upon countless delay. I agree that September sounds very realistic. The TV connectors all arrived today, and the LED's are fixed-- everything I need to build 100 complete units is finally here! Upcoming tasks include verifying the code works on the new hardware (including undo), and creating a verification method to TEST every unit before shipping them out.. I have some ideas that are faster and easier than hooking each one up to my TV, but I don't know if I want to wait that long-- I may just hook each one to my TV for now to get things moving.. I'll be giving that decision careful consideration in the coming days.. I want these things ready as much as y'all do!

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Well, I gave up and bought a Samsung plasma. Won't be needing this anymore but good luck to those who do. Black levels on the new set are a night and day difference from my post rise 50S1. I didn't realize just how bad it had got until seeing them side by side. The Panasonic looks like a cheap lcd in comparison.

I don't miss those fans on the back of the set whirling away either. I thought it was just my computer fans making noise but the room is actually much quieter now.
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Black levels on my very-well-used 58V10 are pretty bad. Will definitely order a unit assuming it will work on the V10.
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Black levels on my very-well-used 58V10 are pretty bad. Will definitely order a unit assuming it will work on the V10.
It does. I have a 54V10 and waiting for the units as well.
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Has there been any mention of a ballpark price ?
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Has there been any mention of a ballpark price ?
Off the top of my head, don't think an exact price has been established but shouldn't bust the bank. I'm thinking $30-$50 but don't quote me on it.
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Off the top of my head, don't think an exact price has been established but shouldn't bust the bank. I'm thinking $30-$50 but don't quote me on it.
Thank you.

Just incredible that there is a fix coming soon. I don't know why I even checked back on the thread but sure glad I did.

I have a 46S1 and I'm very excited about restoring the black levels.
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Thank you.

Just incredible that there is a fix coming soon. I don't know why I even checked back on the thread but sure glad I did.

I have a 46S1 and I'm very excited about restoring the black levels.
Same here. I gave up years ago and learned about the fix when I came on AVS to research a ZT. Purchased the ZT and realized how bad my blacks were. Then I rediscovered this thread. Waiting like everybody.
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