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post #11761 of 11768 Old 02-09-2016, 09:32 AM
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Cool, I'll se if I can get a chance to snap a few pics within a couple of days.

Another interesting thing is that the brightness of my screen actually increased with the reset. I had 100 IRE dialled in at 100 cd/m2 and after resetting it had gone up to 130 cd/m2 with the same contrast setting. I had to turn contrast down a few notches. So much for panels dimming with age! Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

I would think there is no technological reason for panasonic to do these voltage adjustments whatsoever, other than to keep the wheels of consumerism turning by actively decreasing the useable lifespan of their products, while hoping to keep customer trust in their brand. As always this is a delicate balancing act, and this time they may have overdone it a little, perhaps unwittingly, but in the end they are still the ones laughing all the way to the bank. *rant over ;-)
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Hi . I just received my pmcv2 today. I installed it on my panasonic tc-p65s1. I plugged in the power cord after installing it. The lights flashed that it operated correctly. My problem is that i could not turn off the tv with the remote. I had to press and hold the power button for 5 seconds. It turns on and off fine now. I'm new to this device and im just wondering if anyone else has that issue? Does it mean the device is not compatible with my tv? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Joe
Hey joe,

Hmmm, that sounds interesting. Just to be clear, when you powered it on, the blinking pattern matched that of success?

If that's the case, then yay! There are multiple other S1 owners that report success without the issue that you are describing. As long as it worked, then I guess just know that the device is operating slightly differently (but fully functional) with your TV, and don't worry about it. There are a number of PMCv1/v2 users that report that they don't even have to turn their TV's off and back on. Certainly unexpected but not a problem at all.. It sounds like your set might be on the other end of the spectrum but still working properly...

To be clear -- the blinking patterns are very accurate. The PMCv1/v2 performs a read-back check after writing to the TV, so if it blinks success, rest assured that it did in fact work... Have you been able to tell a difference in black levels? I hope so!

If you have any more troubles, let us know, ok?

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Just wanted to post an update. My pmcv2 is working great. There is a definitely an improvement in my black level. Before the screen was a washed out grey color. Now after installing the pmcv2 its a very dark grey. A very big thanks to Audiodane for your help.
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This product has my highest endorsement.

Audiodane is a hero on the level of Larry Flynt, Chris Kyle, or Audie Murphy.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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I would think there is no technological reason for panasonic to do these voltage adjustments whatsoever, other than to keep the wheels of consumerism turning by actively decreasing the useable lifespan of their products, while hoping to keep customer trust in their brand. As always this is a delicate balancing act, and this time they may have overdone it a little, perhaps unwittingly, but in the end they are still the ones laughing all the way to the bank. *rant over ;-)
I dunno; their plasma displays for 3 model years did this, until 2011, around when they absorbed the Pioneer Kuro tech. Then, magically, they no longer had to have rising black levels.

I suspect it's there to prolong panel life, but we'll never know for sure because Panasonic would barely even acknowledge the issue, and even when they did they wouldn't say anything more than it was 'normal' behavior. Maybe installing the black level fix reduces panel life from 30,000 hours to 15,000. Would we ever have enough well-controlled data to know? I'm sure Panasonic does. Would AVS members even care, if it meant maintaining inky blacks?

I have a 2009 TC-50PS14 (Costco version of an S1) and a 2007 TH-42PZ700u. And they still look better than all but the most expensive LCD displays out there (frankly, the TH-42PZ700u is still the best TV in the house, despite being relegated to bedroom duty). The 50" S14 definitely could use the black level fix at this point though. I'll be happy if they last until OLED becomes mainstream. Local dimming and 'HDR' will give LCD a lifeline for a while in the mid-range, and it will always be the low-cost alternative for the foreseeable future. But with LG's 55EG9100 cracking the $2000 price barrier, OLED is about to leave the boutique high-end market and hit the mainstream running.
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But with LG's 55EG9100 cracking the $2000 price barrier, OLED is about to leave the boutique high-end market and hit the mainstream running.
Yeah but, 55" and still curved. Turn off for me!
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Yeah but, 55" and still curved. Turn off for me!
Have you seen one in person, and next to an LCD? I have, and it destroys them in picture quality. And it's not even close.

In any case, sure, at $2k for 55", it's not "the one", yet. But if they're breaking $2k in 2015-16, you can bet there will be more in 2016-17, bigger and cheaper. I figure in 3 years, they'll be widely available, still at a premium over LCD, but worth it for the picture and return of real blacks.
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Have you seen one in person, and next to an LCD? I have, and it destroys them in picture quality. And it's not even close.

In any case, sure, at $2k for 55", it's not "the one", yet. But if they're breaking $2k in 2015-16, you can bet there will be more in 2016-17, bigger and cheaper. I figure in 3 years, they'll be widely available, still at a premium over LCD, but worth it for the picture and return of real blacks.
No problem with the picture. That part I like. Don't like curve and bigger is always better for me. Plus, I'd rather put my money on another brand than LG.

When Panasonic announced they were getting out of the plasma biz, I snapped up a 60" ZT. So I good until the tech matures.
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