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OK, last night I spent some more time fiddling with my video settings. I tried your adjustments, slimoli, but felt that my blacks were still too dark and lacking detail. Also, with the color set at 36 I felt it was overly saturated.

Anyway, here are my current settings, for what they're worth. Continuing to "battle" dark areas lacking detail and a red "push", but I have made some progress . . .

Standard settings
Contrast = 75
Brightness = 75
Color = 26
Tint = +8
Sharpness = +10
Color Temp = Normal
All other settings = OFF, except CATS = On

PRO Settings

W/B high R = -7
W/B high B = +2
W/B low R = -16
W/B low B = +5

Black Ext = 0
Gamma Adj = Mid
Panel Brightness = Low

I must admit that I've been watching LCD panels for years, so maybe I just need to become "acclimated" to Plasma technology. However, I swear that could make out better black details on my 52" Aquos than I can on the V10. Certainly blacks were not as dark, but . . .

Possibly black / dark detail will improve as the panel "breaks in"?

Any further thoughts and/or advice will be most appreciated.

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With CATS=ON , contrast and brightness will have no effect. Did you try with it OFF ?

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With CATS=ON , contrast and brightness will have no effect. Did you try with it OFF ?

Nope, but you can bet that I will!

Mucho thanks for that advice slimoli. Tonight is my semi-weekly poker night with my buds, but I'll check it out before or after our game.

By the way, has anyone experimented with the black extension settings?

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By the way, has anyone experimented with the black extension settings?

Black extension on anything but zero will make the picture too dark.

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Black extension on anything but zero will make the picture too dark.

Thanks once again, slimoli.

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After looking at this post ( mrTAPOUT's Pics), I wanted to see how it appeared for me and photographed the same frames. I'm not sure why. But this time, I found a deviance between what the TV was showing me and what my camera was capturing was off. I found that his images were very close to what I was seeing with the exception being that my color temperature was a bit less.

I will try and post a pic of what it looks in normal daylight. Just bear in mind that my camera is not capturing it as I see it. The first pics that I posted seemed very close to what I saw though.
I've captured the diff between THX, Warm2 and Normal. Unfortunately, the pics/camera dont do it justice. Will try to post them over the weekend.


Tapout - what camera are you using ?

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By no means am I any type of professional or anything close but I have had my 50" V10 for about a month now and these are the settings I found to work best for me...although I still need to tweak some things. Keep in mind I like to have my settings pretty bright because I primarily watch sports and play video games. Here are my settings:

Pic Mode: Game
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 49
Color: 52
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 55
Color Temp: Cool 1
Color Mgmt: On
Digital Cinema Color: On
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Medium
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pulldown: Off
HD Size: Size 1
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I have been using the CNet settings to my liking. The only difference being on my sat input I use "black mode" = light, and on my other input for watching 1080p movies i set it to dark.

Watching normal TV, if set to dark may be too dark and will wash out some of the image.

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After looking at this post ( mrTAPOUT's Pics), I wanted to see how it appeared for me and photographed the same frames. I'm not sure why. But this time, I found a deviance between what the TV was showing me and what my camera was capturing was off. I found that his images were very close to what I was seeing with the exception being that my color temperature was a bit less.

I will try and post a pic of what it looks in normal daylight. Just bear in mind that my camera is not capturing it as I see it. The first pics that I posted seemed very close to what I saw though.
I've captured the diff between THX, Warm2 and Normal. Unfortunately, the pics/camera dont do it justice. Will try to post them over the weekend.


Tapout - what camera are you using ?

im using a canon sx100. HEre is more pictures with new settings on standard. I tried your settings but I felt the picture lacked color. I feel standard has the best shadow detail while still retaining blacks and color saturation.

im still open to new settings. Anyone using standard with a professional calibration?








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Here are UPDATED settings from my son's 54V10 after 350 hrs of use.
Below are the results off doing a user menu calibration with an EyeOnepro and Calman software.

Visual results are great!

Custom Mode

contrast 88
bright 77
color 45
tint -2
sharp 0
tempurature warm2
color mgmt,digital cinema,cats = off
video NR = weak

white balance
high R = -6
high B = +13
low R = 0
low B = 0

Gamma = Norm
Panel = Mid
Contour,agc = off

HD size 2
mosquito nr = off
black level = light

 

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By no means am I any type of professional or anything close but I have had my 50" V10 for about a month now and these are the settings I found to work best for me...although I still need to tweak some things. Keep in mind I like to have my settings pretty bright because I primarily watch sports and play video games. Here are my settings:

Pic Mode: Game
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 49
Color: 52
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 55
Color Temp: Cool 1
Color Mgmt: On
Digital Cinema Color: On
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Medium
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pulldown: Off
HD Size: Size 1

These settings are no where near accurate thus the tv is not "being all it can be" but if these settings make you happy, leave them be and enjoy.

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Here are UPDATED settings from my son's 54V10 after 350 hrs of use.
Below are the results off doing a user menu calibration with an EyeOnepro and Calman software.

Visual results are great!

Custom Mode

contrast 88
bright 77
color 45
tint -2
sharp 0
tempurature warm2
color mgmt,digital cinema,cats = off
video NR = weak

white balance
high R = -6
high B = +13
low R = 0
low B = 0

Gamma = Norm
Panel = Mid
Contour,agc = off

HD size 2
mosquito nr = off
black level = light

Much appreciated. Will try these out tonight.
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Here are UPDATED settings from my son's 54V10 after 350 hrs of use.
Below are the results off doing a user menu calibration with an EyeOnepro and Calman software.

Visual results are great!

Custom Mode

contrast 88
bright 77
color 45
tint -2
sharp 0
tempurature warm2
color mgmt,digital cinema,cats = off
video NR = weak

white balance
high R = -6
high B = +13
low R = 0
low B = 0

Gamma = Norm
Panel = Mid
Contour,agc = off

HD size 2
mosquito nr = off
black level = light


I just set my V10 50" to these settings. I was using the CNet settings, now I'll try these. Thanks!
Update: I think the color setting is a little too high for my taste. Facial tones were too red for me so I dropped that one setting down to 42.

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Thanks Tapout. Those are some really good pics. What movie(s) are those from ? Other than the games.

Edit : I noticed my color setting was less on standard and I have retracted my post. I also increased my brightness to 70 after I tested Standard last night and happened to see detail I coud not with my setting till I raised it. slimoli was correct on that.

Thanks for posting the pics. You should post your settings if you don't mind doing that. Pref for the CABLE/SAT input (for me).

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Here are the post calibration report for my 65" V10.

Was this after ISF Calibration?
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Here are the post calibration report for my 65" V10.

What settings were they on PRE-calibration and how much off were they ? To your eyes, what parts of the picture look better ?

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What settings were they on PRE-calibration and how much off were they ? To your eyes, what parts of the picture look better ?
The overall picture looks much much better (I cannot pin point the exact improved areas). Lee Gallagher is a professional ISF calibrator who came from Phoenix to Tucson for my TV calibration.

Here is the pre calibration report. You be the judge.

 

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Was this after ISF Calibration?

Yes. It is post calibration (means after ISF calibration).
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Yes. It is post calibration (means after ISF calibration).

Thanks! I'm aware of what "post" means but I wasn't sure if was user calibrated, or ISF calibrated. So, no areas that you can pinpoint that look better to you? Color accuracy? Shadow detail? Thanks for being one of the first to get your set ISF'ed. Got any after pictures?
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today's CCFL LCD is capable of doing 0.04cd/m2~0.06cd/m2 at higher white luminance than plasmas.

And LED-backlit Local Dimming can do 0.00cd/m2 shut off ~ 0.01cd/m2 slight dim.

cd/m2 not equal to ftl. cd/m2 will always have higher number than ftl.

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Thanks! I'm aware of what "post" means but I wasn't sure if was user calibrated, or ISF calibrated. So, no areas that you can pinpoint that look better to you? Color accuracy? Shadow detail? Thanks for being one of the first to get your set ISF'ed. Got any after pictures?

To be honest with you, I'm not a professional video phile but I can say that red and green colors look much better than before calibration (more natural). I watched the dark knight and fifth element (bluray) before and after calibration and it seems to me that the black looks deeper and the skin tones look more natural than before (much better).

All together it seems like a layer of haze was removed from the screen.
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I noticed my camera settings were wrong last time I posted, it was on a lower resolution which made it look soft. Also, Im using hifi's settings, but I have tweaked it a little bit. Im finally happy with these settings, Ill post them tomorrow. I only took game shots, but you should still be able to guage the quality






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To be honest with you, I'm not a professional video phile but I can say that red and green colors look much better than before calibration (more natural). I watched the dark knight and fifth element (bluray) before and after calibration and it seems to me that the black looks deeper and the skin tones look more natural than before (much better).

All together it seems like a layer of haze was removed from the screen.

Is there any way you can post your settings?
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today's CCFL LCD is capable of doing 0.04cd/m2~0.06cd/m2 at higher white luminance than plasmas.

And LED-backlit Local Dimming can do 0.00cd/m2 shut off ~ 0.01cd/m2 slight dim.

cd/m2 not equal to ftl. cd/m2 will always have higher number than ftl.

1fL = 3.426cd/m2.
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Is there any way you can post your settings?

Panasonic TC-P65V10
Input HDMI HDMI

Picture Mode THX (Night) Custom (Day)
Contrast 100 95
Brightness 52 73
Color 48 44
Tint 0 0
Sharpness 0 0
Color Temperature Warm 2 Warm 2
Color Management Off Off
Digital Cinema Color n/a Off
C.A.T.S. Off Off
Video NR Off Off

Pro Setting
W/B n/a 0
W/B n/a 0
W/B n/a 0
W/B n/a 0
Black Extension n/a 0
Gamma Adjustment n/a Mid
Panel Brightness n/a Mid

Advanced Picture
3D Y/C filter n/a n/a
Color Matrix n/a n/a
Block NR Off Off
Mosquito NR Off Off
Black Level Light Light
3:2 Pulldown Off Off
24p Direct in n/a n/a
HD Size THX Size 2
H Size n/a n/a

Please keep that in mind that I use these settings since the grayscale has been professionally calibrated.
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Have had my 50v10 for about five weeks. Terrific picture right out of the box.

Ran break-in slides for about 60 hours along with about an equal number of hours watching regular TV and DVD/Blu-ray. At that point, applied the settings from cNet and was quite impressed, although felt they were marginally on the bright side.

After about 120 hours of break-in with approx. the same watching, used Digital Video Essentails to run through their test patterns. Picture less bright but color and greyscale seemed more normal.

Now after approx 210 hours of each (over 400 hours total) used DVE one more time. Wife, son and his family, several friends think the picture is the best they have seen. Have had some comments about how natural things look. Have viewed a lot of photos where I think I remember exactly how they should look and they all look natural.

I am a long time audiophile and fairly longtime videophile (since the early 80's when I got my first Sony monitor w/seperate tuner and video connections). Accuracy was always what I wanted in audio and video. And I know accuracy is not what sells or even what many people are seeking.

Had an early copy of Video Essentials on LaserDisc (LaserDisc user since 1978) which was used to adjust many CRT's for friends and family and have used the DVE disc extensively for the past 3 years for my own, friends and family HDTV's. I'm cheap (free) and enjoy visiting and talking about technology. Maybe comes from a long time career (36 years) as a programmer, systems analyst, and all around IT guy.

I would like to post the settings I am using now for feedback from anyone interested. As I said, these started from the settings on cNet, but now lean more towards what I see with DVE. My primary goal was getting the greyscale as accurate as possible. I have heard Joe Kane discuss this for so many years, I believe this to be the most important aspect of proper setup. Using the Blue/Red/Green filter that came with DVE, all three primary colors look perfect. Without a calibrated set, I really don't have a good comparison. Anyway, comments pro or con are appreciated. I will probably have the unit professionally calibrated sometime after the first of the year and I will let everyone know how far away from accurate I am.

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Mode Custom
Contrast +66
Brightness +67
Color +42
Tint + 5
Sharpness 0
Since the sharpness control only adds digital noise, I am basically bypassing it

Color Temp Warm 1
I know Warm 2 should be the closest to d6500,
but on all of the greyscale patterns,
the greys appeared the least colored on Warm 1 on my set at this time

Color Management Off
Digital Cinema Color Off
CATS Off
Video NR Off
All video processing turned off as each of these has the ability
to add undesireable effects to the picture

Zoom greyed out
PC Adjustments greyed out

Advanced Picture
3D Y/C Filter Off (greyed out)
Color Matrix HD (greyed out)
Block NR Off
Mosquito NR Off
Black Level Light
3:2 Pull Down Off (greyed out)
24P Direct In 96hz

HD Size Size 2
H Size size 1 (greyed out)

Pro Settings - these remain at cNet's settings as I do not have a pattern or way to measure
W/B High R +10
W/B High B + 4
W/B Low R + 2
W/B Low B + 3
Black Extension 0
Gamma Adjustment Mid
Panel Brightness Low
Contour Emphasis Off
AGC Off

Thanks for any feedback positive or negative.



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Great pictures. Sure looks like no ambient light.
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Input HDMI HDMI

Picture Mode THX (Night) Custom (Day)
Contrast 100 95
Brightness 52 73
Color 48 44
Tint 0 0
Sharpness 0 0
Color Temperature Warm 2 Warm 2
Color Management Off Off
Digital Cinema Color n/a Off
C.A.T.S. Off Off
Video NR Off Off

Pro Setting
W/B n/a 0
W/B n/a 0
W/B n/a 0
W/B n/a 0
Black Extension n/a 0
Gamma Adjustment n/a Mid
Panel Brightness n/a Mid

Advanced Picture
3D Y/C filter n/a n/a
Color Matrix n/a n/a
Block NR Off Off
Mosquito NR Off Off
Black Level Light Light
3:2 Pulldown Off Off
24p Direct in n/a n/a
HD Size THX Size 2
H Size n/a n/a

Please keep that in mind that I use these settings since the grayscale has been professionally calibrated.

THank you so much for posting these. Any reason why there are no adjustments in the Pro Settings?
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THank you so much for posting these. Any reason why there are no adjustments in the Pro Settings?

After calibration, "pro setting" didnt need any adjusments. You can check the post calibration report for both custom and THX. Color accuracy is great. The accuracy of red in custome mode is average (way better than the CNET result) and the blue luminance is a little high, but the rest are alomst perfect (0.002 is the average deviation) As a result, the picture looked fantastic and the calibrator didnt see any need to change anything in the "Pro Setting" section of custom mode. There are no red push or green push. He tried a few different settings, but the "pro setting" set at 0 still had the best picture quality.
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