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I had not seen that Pioneer image retention blurb before. I find it interesting how it states that essentially image retention is the same as burn-in. I always thought there were two degrees: image retention which is temporary and burn-in which is permanent. Guess not....

Either an after-image is temporary, which is no problem or it is permanent, which is.
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I didn't break in my other plasma and Im in love with the picture. The only reason Im breaking in Plasma #2 is because I don't ever want to think to myself "What if I had taking it easy for the first 100 hours?"

So yeah, I think break in is BS, but peace of mind is priceless. 100 hours is nothing. Unless, this is your first HDTV and you're freaking out, then I imagine it would feel like 100 years.

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I didn't break in my other plasma and Im in love with the picture. The only reason Im breaking in Plasma #2 is because I don't ever want to think to myself "What if I had taking it easy for the first 100 hours?"

So yeah, I think break in is BS, but peace of mind is priceless. 100 hours is nothing. Unless, this is your first HDTV and you're freaking out, then I imagine it would feel like 100 years.

I didn't break my first panny in either (and it's fine) but I am in the process of breaking in my 2nd one, just to know that I did everything I could to make it as good as possible. Probably not logical but It's what I'm doing, I'll hit 120 hours Thursday morning (woo hoo!).
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My Panny 54G10 is set to be delivered this Friday. I'm upgrading from a 46" DLP so I'm pretty stoked about the bump in size and 1080p resolution!

I am a little concerned about doing the break-in. My brother-in-law is visiting this weekend and I know we'll want to do some gaming and watch a few Blu-ray movies. I think I'll try and restrict movies to only fullscreen, but would it be a problem to mix in a few hours of gaming? We'll probably be playing a few different games, so I don't think IR will be a big issue. I'm really excited though to play a little Batman:AA and see how the black levels look!

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I expect delivery of my new TC-P65V10 in a couple of weeks and have a question regarding the break in period.

Can I run the programming continiously for the 100 or so hours that is required or do I have to give the set some breaks over that period of time?
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I'm about to order my first plasma(Panny TC-P50V10). I believe that with the pixel orbiter and the white scrolling bar, IR and burn-in will be less of a worry.

Break-in slides and dvd are fine for those who want to speed up the break-in period. For those that don't want to use them(me), I think that's fine also.

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A few responses here keep asking the question that if plasma break-in was so important why don't the manufactures include a break in dvd?

Do you think the average Joe is really that interested? I do believe something like that would hurt sales and shy people away from buying a plasma let alone a plethora of questions flooding the support people who manufacture these sets.

I have a hunch if you were able to talk to an engineer from Pioneer let's just say you might get a schooling on such issues that we are talking about......

We have to remember why we visit the AVS forums and that is because we want the best image possible and are willing to go the extra mile to achieve it.

I enjoy tweaking and find it a fun challenge no matter what venue.I tweak my motocross bikes.I tweak my car.I tweak at my workplace.I am even tweaking a 2 wheeler hand cart i bought so it can go up and down stairs easier with out messing up the stairs.LOL.

So let's just enjoy our passions and if you don't like how I tweak or somebody else does---it does not really matter in the grand scheme of things.I am happy.
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A few responses here keep asking the question that if plasma break-in was so important why don't the manufactures include a break in dvd?

Do you think the average Joe is really that interested? I do believe something like that would hurt sales and shy people away from buying a plasma let alone a plethora of questions flooding the support people who manufacture these sets.

I have a hunch if you were able to talk to an engineer from Pioneer let's just say you might get a schooling on such issues that we are talking about......

We have to remember why we visit the AVS forums and that is because we want the best image possible and are willing to go the extra mile to achieve it.

I enjoy tweaking and find it a fun challenge no matter what venue.I tweak my motocross bikes.I tweak my car.I tweak at my workplace.I am even tweaking a 2 wheeler hand cart i bought so it can go up and down stairs easier with out messing up the stairs.LOL.

So let's just enjoy our passions and if you don't like how I tweak or somebody else does---it does not really matter in the grand scheme of things.I am happy.

I agree that logically they could not sell a TV which required so much work to use. It's safe to assume it's not necessary to do a break in, but it doesn't mean taking it "easy" on the plasma when it first arrives is necessarily a bad thing either.
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I agree that logically they could not sell a TV which required so much work to use. It's safe to assume it's not necessary to do a break in, but it doesn't mean taking it "easy" on the plasma when it first arrives is necessarily a bad thing either.

I agree with you in all points.I am doing a "100% even phosphor aging in the critical first 150 hours of a new phosphors life" tweak as we speak.

necessary? no. For a "tweak freak" YES!

Now back to watching my phosphors age with a bowl of popcorn!!!
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Let's face it. Plasma tv is no longer soley the toy for people with money or tech freaks. They have dropped so much in price that the average non techie person will buy. All they will do is bring it home, plug it in and turn it on. They do not think about burn in, IR, calibration, etc. They will not run slides for 150 hours, nor will they watch it without bars for the first 150 hours. They expect their tv to work, and the manufacturers know that. So is break in necessary of you are the average smoe. No. Is break in necessary if you want it calibrated, no. Is it necessary if you are not the average smoe and want the best possible picture? Yes.

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So say I only watch "safe - no bars, logos etc." TV for a couple of hours some weekday evenings (some not at all), and maybe 10 hours or so on the weekends. I want to do something as simple as make pq adjustments without even going into the service menu. This would take a very long time in actual days to get to 120 hours or so of aging. I would have to spend many evenings at 2 hours a pop of less than best pq watching.

So that being, wouldn't it be a good idea to run break-in images for 3 hours each night and let the TV turn off by itself (after 3 hours inactivity), if for no other reason than to more quickly get to 120 or so hours of aging so that I can make pq adjustments that will stick?

If that is so, I would say without a doubt there is some benefit to running break-in images.
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Let's face it. Plasma tv is no longer soley the toy for people with money or tech freaks. They have dropped so much in price that the average non techie person will buy. All they will do is bring it home, plug it in and turn it on. They do not think about burn in, IR, calibration, etc. They will not run slides for 150 hours, nor will they watch it without bars for the first 150 hours. They expect their tv to work, and the manufacturers know that. So is break in necessary of you are the average smoe. No. Is break in necessary if you want it calibrated, no. Is it necessary if you are not the average smoe and want the best possible picture? Yes.

All true, but we are participants of the AV Science Forum and buying a $7750 PDP was not a trivial purchase for me.

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Break in happens regardless of what you do.
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The break in slides are more entertaining than any Jennifer Aniston movie.

(except for Office Space and that one where she plays a maid - but I don't really consider those Jennifer Aniston movies)
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The break in slides are more entertaining than any Jennifer Aniston movie.

(except for Office Space and that one where she plays a maid - but I don't really consider those Jennifer Aniston movies)

LOL!

Those blue slides REALLY get me down....and the blues soundtack I had playing alongside it didn't help.
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Why worry? You aren't going to hurt your tv by watching non-full screen content...

I got one of the first HD rear projection sets. It was a 47 inch Panasonic and I got screen burn after about 5 years or so. My wife watched a lot of 4:3 stuff and the side bars started to get a brown tinge. It was most noticeable with scenes of blue skies.

The brown started at the edge on each side going from the center outward in a gradation. Very weird and it worries me in getting a plasma. I know that was a crt but phosphorus is phosphorus. I currently have the 72 inch DLP Toshiba MX model (about four years old) and I want to upgrade to the 65V10.

I hope I'm not making a mistake. I love the picture.
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Guess all things end and break eventually. I get 5 yrs from my G10 , I am happy for the price I paid.
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D-Nice thanks for posting the procedures on how to break in. I have 1 quick clarification question. you have the settings listed at Vivid and 100 contrast. Is this correct? only reason i ask is that everything i read reccomends to dial back the contrast during the breakin period and i wanted to confirm.
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No, but you shouldn't drive the same speed constantly for any long duration the first 4-500 miles, though. This isn't really a good analogy, though, as this is mechanical break-in compared to a plasma screen. The first few hundred miles is when all of the moving parts get settled, and is much more critical than pixels changing color.

You also have to "break in" a brand new weapon like an M4A1, but then again I would consider my plasma and my carbine two different animals.
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I just purchased the Panosonic TCP54G10 and am planning on doing a "break-in". Most of the recommendations are watch in full or zoom and do not watch programs with static logos as well as tweaking some settings. I beleive I should do a break in since my son can't wait to run his Xbox 360 on it.

I have the settings from info from this site which was very helpfull but I have a few questions.

1.) Is there any stations without these logos. I can't seem to find many.
2.) If when in Zoom mode the logo disapears is this OK...I'm not sure if because I can't see it it still doesn't do any harm. When in Zoom mode the ESPN banner disapears.
3.) I have seen reference to non-transparent logos. CBS seems to be a transparent logo. Would this be ok during the break in period.
4.) I was going to use break in slides on a SD card. Is this a good idea?

Any other suggestions would be greatly apprecited.

Thank you in advance
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I just purchased the Panosonic TCP54G10 and am planning on doing a "break-in". Most of the recommendations are watch in full or zoom and do not watch programs with static logos as well as tweaking some settings. I beleive I should do a break in since my son can't wait to run his Xbox 360 on it.

I have the settings from info from this site which was very helpfull but I have a few questions.

1.) Is there any stations without these logos. I can't seem to find many.
2.) If when in Zoom mode the logo disapears is this OK...I'm not sure if because I can't see it it still doesn't do any harm. When in Zoom mode the ESPN banner disapears.
3.) I have seen reference to non-transparent logos. CBS seems to be a transparent logo. Would this be ok during the break in period.
4.) I was going to use break in slides on a SD card. Is this a good idea?

Any other suggestions would be greatly apprecited.

Thank you in advance

Suggestions? Yes, enjoy your TV and don't worry about doing a break-in and station logos; it's very difficult to hurt your TV.
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I've heard HD content with no "hard" logo will work just as fine as the DVD's or slides...

You heard right. My Pioneer KURO did just great with my "home-made "break in which involved leaving Disovery HD Theater on most of the time along with some Planet Earth blu-ray.

The fuss and horsing around that people are told to go through with break-in is just silly. No wonder why plasmas have a tough time gaining acceptance!
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Suggestions? Yes, enjoy your TV and don't worry about doing a break-in and station logos; it's very difficult to hurt your TV.

I think most of the people asking these questions are people who plan on keeping their sets for more than 1-1.5 years or whatever the typical turnover is for people with far too much money to throw away on electronics. And the answer to that is yes, it's very hard to hurt your TV initially, but burn-in is something that happens over time, repeated patterns that may be harmful for it over years of viewing. I think they are more concerned with 3-6 years down the line. The answer to that is that every little bit helps and it's tough to know what current displays will or won't have issues that far down the line (which also user viewing patterns has some bearing). The longer someone plans on holding a set for, the more they'll need to think about preventing IR/BI. If you're figuring on upgrading after 2 years, you probably don't need to worry since you probably won't get it that early (unless you grossly mistreat your plasma).
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Plasma Break-In (Slides/DVD): Purposeful or Pointless?

The Plasma Break-In (Slides/DVD) are Purposefully Pointless, but I do know at least (1) reasonably intelligent person who uses them go figure.
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I think most of the people asking these questions are people who plan on keeping their sets for more than 1-1.5 years or whatever the typical turnover is for people with far too much money to throw away on electronics. And the answer to that is yes, it's very hard to hurt your TV initially, but burn-in is something that happens over time, repeated patterns that may be harmful for it over years of viewing. I think they are more concerned with 3-6 years down the line. The answer to that is that every little bit helps and it's tough to know what current displays will or won't have issues that far down the line (which also user viewing patterns has some bearing). The longer someone plans on holding a set for, the more they'll need to think about preventing IR/BI. If you're figuring on upgrading after 2 years, you probably don't need to worry since you probably won't get it that early (unless you grossly mistreat your plasma).

Hmm, so you know all these statements to be facts with normal viewing?
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I think most of the people asking these questions are people who plan on keeping their sets for more than 1-1.5 years or whatever the typical turnover is for people with far too much money to throw away on electronics. And the answer to that is yes, it's very hard to hurt your TV initially, but burn-in is something that happens over time, repeated patterns that may be harmful for it over years of viewing. I think they are more concerned with 3-6 years down the line. The answer to that is that every little bit helps and it's tough to know what current displays will or won't have issues that far down the line (which also user viewing patterns has some bearing). The longer someone plans on holding a set for, the more they'll need to think about preventing IR/BI. If you're figuring on upgrading after 2 years, you probably don't need to worry since you probably won't get it that early (unless you grossly mistreat your plasma).

Spoken like a true adult.

However, this is the AV Sales Forum where the most influential members consist of some forum mods and others in this business who continually "hype" the forklift upgrade mentality.
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Hmm, so you know all these statements to be facts with normal viewing?

I can attest to the fact that I own a nearly 5 year old 50PX50U with a few thousand hours of operation, has no anti-burn in protection features, is used for "normal" viewing and I never employed the break-in DVD or break-in slides with.

This TV has no BI/IR or noticeable uneven phosphor wear.
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I can attest to the fact that I own a nearly 5 year old 50PX50U with a few thousand hours of operation, has no anti-burn in protection features, is used for "normal" viewing and I never employed the break-in DVD or break-in slides with.

This TV has no BI/IR or noticeable uneven phosphor wear.

That's pretty much my experience with my last plasma...
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Here's the original question:

On a 2009 Plasma TV, is there any value in doing a break-in if you don't intend to apply any "offsets" or any other settings from someone else's TV in general?

In either case, how long should you wait before during a full (meter) calibration to make sure it "sticks"?


My view is that if you plan on having it professionally calibrated at some point in the future, say...2 to 3 months, you can probably just watch normally and it'll "break in" on its own that way. Using the DVD just speeds up that process. It's been shown (I can't find the article right now, maybe someone can help) that the color temperature changes and settle during the first 200 hours. If I remember correctly, what they did was take measurements at specific intervals during the first 200 hours of running slides similar with Evangelo's DVD and the color temp decreased over time. I believe it was over 100K. Some might say that's a small figure, some might notice the difference. This is the AVS forum after all, and some of us are likely enthusiasts, which means we want our equipment to perform at its maximum potential.

Will the slides prevent burn in? I don't know. D-Nice doesn't seem to claim that it does. I assume that it is to help bring the plasma to a semi steady state so you can use his post break-in settings. In addition, I think that's the way he did it. Someone on the forum who used the procedure prior to having D-Nice come and calibrate his Pioneer found that the break-in + post break-in settings brought his plasma to 6500K. Now, he obviously didn't do any measurements prior to breaking it in, but I doubt it was at 6500K.

In addition, people who tried using D-Nice's post 150hr break-in PURE settings PRIOR to the 150hours found the picture a bit odd, but they looked great if you apply them AFTER breaking it in per recommendation. So yes, there is a difference.

Personally, I wish I could have D-Nice calibrated my newly bought KRP-500M this weekend or the next, but I don't know if I can, so I'm doing my best to replicated his settings.

However, in the end, it's to each his own. Cheers!
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Why does it matter? If you don't want to use them, don't. If people want to use them and use D-Nice's settings guess what? They will.

I personally say Thank you, to D-Nice for sharing this information. I personally won't spend 3xx dollars on a calibration of my 42X1 because it's in my bedroom (where it will always be watched in the dark) and I picked it up for barely more than the calibration cost.
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Great thread. needs a bump, and I am in the pointless camp
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