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What plasma display produces the whitest whites and great blacks and pop like a LCD. I am looking at a Samsung PN50B650 but not sure this is the one. A little hep here, please.
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B650 whites a little pink due to the anti reflective coating. The whites satisfy me but I never looked for the whitest whites.
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I think you would prefer Panasonic's NeoPDPs, so I'd recommend the G10 or V10. They generally have better blacks and can reach pretty high brightness levels giving it a relatively high ANSI contrast ratio and a lot of 'pop'. Of course if you can get your hands on a Pioneer Elite Kuro, that would be the best.
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I think you would prefer Panasonic's NeoPDPs, so I'd recommend the G10 or V10. They generally have better blacks and can reach pretty high brightness levels giving it a relatively high ANSI contrast ratio and a lot of 'pop'. Of course if you can get your hands on a Pioneer Elite Kuro, that would be the best.

Interesting. I thought the Sammy was the more LCD like. I'd like the best whites I can find with pop and sharpness.
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The Pioneer Kuro definitely would blow away anything and Panasonic NEOPDP THX certified G10 or higher would be my second choice. But you said more LCD like which makes it tough because plasma in my opinion reproduces Movies and TV more accurately and LCD seems more artificial. Too get that LCD pop that you are looking for then you would have to sacrifice true blacks as well as a more film like picture.
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Interesting. I thought the Sammy was the more LCD like. I'd like the best whites I can find with pop and sharpness.

Your thoughts are correct. There are many here though who indulge in Sammy bashing.
A review of the 650 can be found here by Tom Huffman.
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You thoughts are correct. There are many here though who indulge in Sammy bashing.
A review of the 650 can be found here by Tom Huffman.

There's also people on these forums that are bias towards Samsung, too. *cough*. Can't you accept the fact that there are neutral people on these forums as well?

It's pretty much a FACT that Panasonic's NeoPDPs can reach higher brightness levels and their blacks, on average, measure lower than Samsung's. Blacker blacks with higher brightness levels give you a higher ANSI contrast ratio, which is what gives you that POP.

Many calibrators agree that the Samsungs are better overall, but Panasonic's do have more POP. Look at Chad B's rankings and you'll see he rated the Panasonic's higher for "pop' and black level. If you also read his reviews, the G10/V10 had a considerably higher ANSI contrast ratio compared to the B550/B860.
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All plasmas utilize an ABL, so a full screen of white will not be as bright as a small white window would be on the same display. LCDs do not use ABLs, so their level of peak brightness stays constant, regardless of how much white is on the screen.

Most modern plasmas can all reach essentially the same level of full-screen brightness. In my experience, there are very, very few PDPs (50" or larger) that can achieve greater than 20ftL when displaying a fully white screen. Ignore the fanboys who claim otherwise unless they can back it up with measured data.

If you demand highly bright whites regardless of content, then LCD is probably for you.
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I hated this ABL effect on my Kuro. Bright games like "NHL 2010" looked really dim and greyish instead of white even in a dark room.
I could see the brightness shift just by pressing the "Tools" button on the remote (a black menu pops up so there's less white displayed)
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If you demand highly bright whites regardless of content, then LCD is probably for you.[/quote]

Therein is the problem. I want the whites and pop of LCD but the viewing angles and motion of Plasma with a sharp picture.
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Then sadly, you're likely out of luck.

You're not going to get all of the above out of a currently available display. PDPs simply don't have the peak brightness potential of the average LCD.
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Then sadly, you're likely out of luck.

You're not going to get all of the above out of a currently available display. PDPs simply don't have the peak brightness potential of the average LCD.

What PDP would come the closest then?
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Like I said, they are all pretty much the same in that area. If you want bright whites at all costs, then the NEO-PDP Panasonics can get pretty bright, but at the cost of detail, color accuracy and other qualities that you might miss. And even then you're still going to lose brightness as more whites are in the picture. Once you hit a certain APL, nearly all modern PDPs are essentially as bright as any other.

The VX100 Panasonics are a bit brighter than most as they have substantial power supplies, but they still won't match what an LCD can do and are very expensive.
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Will you be watching in a dark or bright room? My room is generally pretty dim throughout the day, and I can black it out by shutting the curtains. I'm still within my first few days of having a G series, so my settings are pretty low, but man can the brightness get pretty eye-searing. NHL10, for instance, the demo background on the ps3 menu is exceptionally bright, w/ a mostly white and ice background and the silver stanley cup.

I'm not claiming pure white, or any measured brightness but FWIW if you are in a light controlled room, it's plenty bright.

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I hated this ABL effect on my Kuro. Bright games like "NHL 2010" looked really dim and greyish instead of white even in a dark room.
I could see the brightness shift just by pressing the "Tools" button on the remote (a black menu pops up so there's less white displayed)

And to think some posters here will argue until they're blue in the face that they "can't see the ABL working"

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You want the whitest white? Get a decent Plasma and have a pro calibrate it.
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Tide produces the whitest whites....

Go buy a LCD.

Or do some research on yer own.
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B650 whites a little pink due to the anti reflective coating. The whites satisfy me but I never looked for the whitest whites.

If you have pink it's not the AR coating...it's the panel.

I know.

If you have pink it's the panel....Samsung replaced 5 for me and then gave a refund.
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You want the whitest white? Get a decent Plasma and have a pro calibrate it.

Because I'm sure this is what they OP meant.

Think before using the keyboard, it helps sometimes.

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Because I'm sure this is what they OP meant.

Think before using the keyboard, it helps sometimes.

This fool needs to be banned.
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Because I'm sure this is what they OP meant.

Think before using the keyboard, it helps sometimes.


I stand by my statement. If you want a true white, a properly calibrated set will deliver. I think that just about any set by Panny or Sammy when calibrated will deliver a pure white, out of the box, not so much.

Now, if the OP is after LCD white, then he needs to get an LCD. There is nothing special about LCD white, other than it's often over driven and shifted to the blue end of the spectrum. I've never seen one that is particularly accurate either - no different than most plasmas out of the box.
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There's also people on these forums that are bias towards Samsung, too. *cough*. Can't you accept the fact that there are neutral people on these forums as well?

It's pretty much a FACT that Panasonic's NeoPDPs can reach higher brightness levels and their blacks, on average, measure lower than Samsung's. Blacker blacks with higher brightness levels give you a higher ANSI contrast ratio, which is what gives you that POP.

Many calibrators agree that the Samsungs are better overall, but Panasonic's do have more POP. Look at Chad B's rankings and you'll see he rated the Panasonic's higher for "pop' and black level. If you also read his reviews, the G10/V10 had a considerably higher ANSI contrast ratio compared to the B550/B860.

Multiple reviewers have reported getting a noticeably higher ansi contrast on the b650 over the g10. Which given the black levels does seem odd....
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I've had several chances to twiddle and compare the LG 50PQ30 with the Panny X1 and S1. The LG whites are definitely "whiter." Most likely due to the Panny's antiglare treatments which eat some photons that the LG just lets blast right through.
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my 860 has the best bar none
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Define "the best".
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Multiple reviewers have reported getting a noticeably higher ansi contrast on the b650 over the g10. Which given the black levels does seem odd....

Really? I've never seen a Samsung have a higher ansi than the Panasonic's when calibrated in Custom mode.
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A thought to ponder:
Imagine what those careful, expensive, precise calibration curves look like when over 15% of the screen goes white?
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Define "the best".

to me....
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Define "the best".

Better than kuro
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What's wrong, discopaul? You never did come back to that other thread from several weeks ago. Did you finally bury yourself in your own brand of BS and are now looking to create a new mountain of it elsewhere?

But since I'm such a generous person, I'll give you another chance. Explain to me what "better whites" means. Brightness? 6500k accuracy? D65 accuracy? ABL operation? If not, then please do explain, because 09 Samsungs are not any better than Elite/M series panels from last year in all of those areas.
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