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I should have gotten the 600M!!

The PQ of the 500M is flawless.....it was calibrated by Eliab Alvarez about 6 weeks ago and it's just stunning. I should have gotten the 60" display though. Not sure if I should maybe put the 500M in the bedroom (what a waste of a magnificent display) or try and sell it. Not even sure what I could get for it.....it only has about 400 hours, a MAC 3 year warrantee, with the first 200 being solely run with the break-in slides. Just don't have the original box.


Don't know why i didn't get the 600M from the get go. I sit about 12' away and the extra 10" would be nice.
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I should have gotten the 600M!!

The PQ of the 500M is flawless.....it was calibrated by Eliab Alvarez about 6 weeks ago and it's just stunning. I should have gotten the 60" display though. Not sure if I should maybe put the 500M in the bedroom (what a waste of a magnificent display) or try and sell it. Not even sure what I could get for it.....it only has about 400 hours, a MAC 3 year warrantee, with the first 200 being solely run with the break-in slides. Just don't have the original box.


Don't know why i didn't get the 600M from the get go. I sit about 12' away and the extra 10" would be nice.

You just need to find someone who bought the 60" but has decided it's too big for their room...

Not me, btw.

Turning it in to a bedroom TV, sounds like a fine option to me. I moved my old 60" up to the MBR - my wife at first didn't believe that the viewing distance was basically the same 10ft as in our family room.
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I feel the same way after having my 500m for about a couple months.
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The issue is you guys got caught up in the hype to sell the remaining 500Ms.
50" is too small for enthusiasts, yet that fact was barely mentioned.

If you think about it, that is why so many were/are still available.
Think back to what, how, who, when and where you were steered.
One learns to be a bit more skeptical the next time around.

I rejected all this and have purchased the 60" 141 at a good discount.
I hope its good enough (with no buzzing) .

Hopefully the new FCC law will prevent this from reoccurring.
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I'm quite happy with 50" at a 7' viewing distance. I dropped down from a 56" and moved the seats up a foot or two and don't miss the extra size.

At 12' 60" would be an absolute minimum.

Try craigslist. I've sold three TVs through there quickly and I got asking price each time.
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I should have gotten the 600M!!

The PQ of the 500M is flawless.....it was calibrated by Eliab Alvarez about 6 weeks ago and it's just stunning. I should have gotten the 60" display though. Not sure if I should maybe put the 500M in the bedroom (what a waste of a magnificent display) or try and sell it. Not even sure what I could get for it.....it only has about 400 hours, a MAC 3 year warrantee, with the first 200 being solely run with the break-in slides. Just don't have the original box.


Don't know why i didn't get the 600M from the get go. I sit about 12' away and the extra 10" would be nice.

In terms of a HT's visual impact, there is a BIG difference between a 50" versus a 60" display when seated 12' away from your PDP.

You will take a significant hit w/a resale of your 500M so IMO, if you can afford to, keep the 50" PDP and move it into your bedroom to make way for a 600M.

The good news for you is it appears the combined "street price" for a 500/600M is under $6000 where I paid approximately $13,000 for my 50PX50U & PRO-150FD.

Even though I tell my wife she now has her very own PDP... she is not amused.

And let us not go down the speaker road.
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I've never felt like my 50" TVs were too small to enjoy.

The television screen is the retina of the mind's eye.
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I've never felt like my 50" TVs were too small to enjoy.

But wouldn't you prefer a 60" display?
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Bigger is better.. even 60" is too small to appreciate movies properly. If I had the room I'd dump the flat screen for a good projector. I can say without hesitation that my next TV will be 65"+.

Be a fan of displays, not companies or technologies!
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The issue is you guys got caught up in the hype to sell the remaining 500Ms.
50" is too small for enthusiasts, yet that fact was barely mentioned.

If you think about it, that is why so many were/are still available.
Think back to what, how, who, when and where you were steered.
One learns to be a bit more skeptical the next time around.

I rejected all this and have purchased the 60" 141 at a good discount.
I hope its good enough (with no buzzing) .

Hopefully the new FCC law will prevent this from reoccurring.

Hmm, is this a fact? I would consider myself an enthusiast. Oh, but wait! I only own a 50"
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As always, I plan my purchases very carefully. I bought the 141 last October because I wanted the biggest plasma Pioneer produced. I knew if I bought the 111 or 101 I'd always be wondering how a 60" would look like. And sure enough, the 141 is perfect for my room. And later on I bought the 111 for my smaller room.
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The issue is you guys got caught up in the hype to sell the remaining 500Ms.
50" is too small for enthusiasts, yet that fact was barely mentioned.

If you think about it, that is why so many were/are still available.
Think back to what, how, who, when and where you were steered.
One learns to be a bit more skeptical the next time around.

I rejected all this and have purchased the 60" 141 at a good discount.
I hope its good enough (with no buzzing) .

Hopefully the new FCC law will prevent this from reoccurring.

Condescending nonsense.
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Hmm, is this a fact? I would consider myself an enthusiast. Oh, but wait! I only own a 50"

For societies or members with smaller living areas a 50" would be fine.

It all comes down to impact: How much of your eyes angle does the screen take up? How close do you need to be to see all of the resolution of the picture? Answer: surprisingly close
50" 5-6ft
60" 7-10ft

For myself 55" is the bare minimum, 58 starts to make a good impact, 60" is quite nice and 65" is entering into the big screen world.
But quality is more important the quanity: its better to take an excellent 55" than a medicore 60 inch.
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For societies or members with smaller living areas a 50" would be fine.

It all comes down to impact: How much of your eyes angle does the screen take up? How close do you need to be to see all of the resolution of the picture? Answer: surprisingly close
50" 5-6ft
60" 7-10ft

For myself 55" is the bare minimum, 58 starts to make a good impact, 60" is quite nice and 65" is entering into the big screen world.
But quality is more important the quanity: its better to take an excellent 55" than a medicore 60 inch.

Which "societies" do you speak of?
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For societies or members with smaller living areas a 50" would be fine.

It all comes down to impact: How much of your eyes angle does the screen take up? How close do you need to be to see all of the resolution of the picture? Answer: surprisingly close
50" 5-6ft
60" 7-10ft

For myself 55" is the bare minimum, 58 starts to make a good impact, 60" is quite nice and 65" is entering into the big screen world.
But quality is more important the quanity: its better to take an excellent 55" than a medicore 60 inch.

No need to explain all this to me, I don't need the education Just had an issue with the "enthusiast" statement.
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As always, I plan my purchases very carefully. I bought the 141 last October because I wanted the biggest plasma Pioneer produced. I knew if I bought the 111 or 101 I'd always be wondering how a 60" would look like. And sure enough, the 141 is perfect for my room. And later on I bought the 111 for my smaller room.

Exactly.
I also give my displays to my children as gifts or donate to take the tax writeoff.
Do you think the 60" 141 will have a high resale unlike most electronics?
It represents the best of, and the end of an era.
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When you consider that:

1) The 500M is significantly less money then the 600M, $1000+;

2) Reportedly the 500M includes some features that were destined for the 10g that didn't make in to the 600M;

3) D-Nice has made public ISF calibration settings that can apparently bring anyone's 500M close to calibrated if they follow his break-in routine.

4) There's a bit of a feeding frenzy as 50" plasmas on the market are dirt cheap and most stores are closing out the 50" models before they'll eventually move on to the 60" - which address a higher end market.

I imagine quite a few people were swayed to the 500M in spite of those of us who warn that TVs tend to shrink in a room and that 60" is great from 8' to 12'. It would be nice if HiFiFun would stop stating his opinion as fact, but I do agree with it.

On the bright side, for all those reasons, the 500M may actually see an increase in resale value once the spigot on new 500M's is finally cut off up until the point that something perceived as clearly better hits the market.
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I sold my PRO-111FD for a surprisingly good price. The 500M/101FD could potentially hold their value even better as they offer improved black levels over any other Pioneer panels ever made. Of course, the general public probably isn't going to know that.

Anyway, it couldn't hurt to list it at whatever price you'd be happy with and see what kind of bites you get.
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I imagine quite a few people were swayed to the 500M in spite of those of us who warn that TVs tend to shrink in a room and that 60" is great from 8' to 12'. It would be nice if HiFiFun would stop stating his opinion as fact, but I do agree with it.

The human eye's resolution is limited and is based upon the distance and size of the detail. Either get closer or make the screen larger. If you can't then save your money and get a 720p.

Many secondary effects also come into play, especially the sourround-sound audio system. Larger full range floor standing speakers would look out of place with a 50" display. They also sound best at distances greater than 6ft.
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I went from a 50" (Panny Pro) to the 600m. Very glad I did... for both size and image quality.

If I could have bought a 65" or larger Kuro, I'd have done that instead.

It's amazing how these shrink once you start watching...

Good luck wherever your decision brings you.

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The display cost me $1900 delivered....that includes a MAC 3 year extended warrantee.

I then had Avical's Kuro package calibration done on it by Eliab which was $$$.

If I sold it for $1900 (picked up at my house), that sound fair?
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Thats why you always by the biggest you can afford, and even if you cant afford it, save till you can.

My first HDTV was a samsung 40" back in september 2007. when i first got it home the thing was HUGE! then months later i started to think "damn, i wish i bought a bigger tv" the damn thing shrunk! (somebody please tell why does this happen?) i wanted a bigger tv so bad.

Lucky for me the news about pioneer not making any more plasmas made me jump on the kuro. i made sure to get the 60" 151 and the 111FD. everyday i watch this tv im very happy i did, size does matter.

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Thats why you always by the biggest you can afford, and even if you cant afford it, save till you can.

Sometimes the biggest is too big because it may not fit in the required space. So you can still buy the best but at a slightly smaller size
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The human eye's resolution is limited and is based upon the distance and size of the detail. Either get closer or make the screen larger. If you can't then save your money and get a 720p.

Many secondary effects also come into play, especially the sourround-sound audio system. Larger full range floor standing speakers would look out of place with a 50" display. They also sound best at distances greater than 6ft.

Except not everyone's goal is sit at the exact point they can no longer perceive the screen door effect, and there are other reasons to go with 1080p over 720p besides perception of resolution.

As for large tower speakers "looking out of place" with a 50" TV, that's another subjective opinion.
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Thats why you always by the biggest you can afford, and even if you cant afford it, save till you can.

I could afford the 103" Panasonic Plasma, but that doesn't mean I'd want to or that my wife would let me.
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Going from a 34" XBR960 to the 500M, for me, I think will be a pretty nice step up, in picture size, detail. Space is my issue rather than money with the 600M. My viewing distance only allows up to 6-7ft. max.
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Going from a 34" XBR960 to the 500M, for me, I think will be a pretty nice step up, in picture size, detail. Space is my issue rather than money with the 600M. My viewing distance only allows up to 6-7ft. max.

I'm not far from you if you're interested
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Bigger is better.. even 60" is too small to appreciate movies properly. If I had the room I'd dump the flat screen for a good projector. I can say without hesitation that my next TV will be 65"+.


Yeah I'd love a wall of TV but to say I can't appreciate a movie in the proper way with a 50 is a bit much.

The television screen is the retina of the mind's eye.
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Considering how much you have into the 500M and will need to sell it at a loss, plus the additional cost of a 600M (and a warranty and calibration), have you considered keeping the 500M and adding a front projector? 1080p projectors have really come down in price and at a 12 foot viewing distance you could go with a pretty large pull-down screen.
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