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post #271 of 5848 Old 01-07-2010, 05:31 PM
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I thought infinite black refers to the ability of the panel to stop emitting light when a fully black screen is displayed for several seconds. Last year's panels had that too, didn't they?

The dynamic CR of this years panels are 5x last years panels, no mention of native ANSI CR (not surprising, that number will sound low, and CES is all about the chest thumping.)
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why complain about your own opinions.. there are plenty of people that like how they look..

Exactly, I like the simplistic design of my set. I would rather have better PQ or features over aesthetics.

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why complain about your own opinions.. there are plenty of people that like how they look..

Hi,

Hey dude, what's your problem? I can & am allowed to express an opinion here just as much as you or anyone else - differences of viewpoints & opinions is what the makes the world turn around & why we have forums like these - so we can express them - if you don't like mine, then that's fine, I may not like yours either but unlike you, I will at least respect it your view point - do me the same courtesy. For your better understanding, I was not complaining but expressing disappointment but obviously you missed that. By the way, there have been more folks here who feel the same as I about how the new Panny's look & have expressed so than what your broad statement claims.

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Another Pan 13G vs Pio 9G first impression:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/repor...l#post11231873
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Which one of these is the Z1 filter?

V and G series. I don't look at the U and C series as I classify them as rejects (just like the current U and C Panasonics located in BB). So looking only at the V, G and S series, most would be classified as V and G.
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I think people put too much stock in some things. I think his very knowledgeable person, but not the insider his made himself look out to be.

That doesn't mean he doesn't help or answer some times.

That's my opinion anyways.

I never proclaimed I was an insider as I don't work in the CE industry. However, I do have contacts in the CE industry.
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Hey D-Nice, major difference between the black pro filter( V ) against the black filter ( G )?
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V and G series. I don't look at the U and C series as I classify them as rejects (just like the current U and C Panasonics located in BB). So looking only at the V, G and S series, most would be classified as V and G.

Thanks D-Nice.

So if I'm correct here, only V and G have the same Z1 filter, despite Panasonic claiming the V is using a better filter?

And by extension, both V and G employ the dynamic black layer?

Also, do you have any information about the depth of these panels and whether they have the same double layer glass design of previous gen Panasonic models?
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I agree. I don't know why he won't just come out and answer the questions instead of talking around it. I mean he can't still be under NDA now that the product has been introduced as is on display as we are speaking?

Introduced and released are two different items. I can only provide what my contacts say is "ok" to discuss. That is why I post the way I do (I went over this same thing a few days ago).

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Frankly, I'd rather have no answer than an answer that just keeps you guessing.

No problem. Going forward, I will not provide any info regarding any unreleased Panasonic. I'll let Panasonic and others provide the info.
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Introduced and released are two different items. I can only provide what my contacts say is "ok" to discuss. That is why I post the way I do (I went over this same thing a few days ago).

No problem. Going forward, I will not provide any info regarding any unreleased Panasonic. I'll let Panasonic and others provide the info.

Thats not fair for the rest of us.
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Here is a info about the 'Infinite Black Panel Pro'.


"Kuro engineers go back to black

But it's not just 3D TVs that are getting some special attention: Panasonic's 2D Viera range has had an overhaul for 2010, too. Key to the quality enhancements is 'Infinite Black Panel Pro' - developed by engineers who previously worked for Pioneer on the class-leading Kuro plasmas.

Panasonic displayed one of these new models against its 2009 plasmas, and the new panel was noticeably, well, blacker, with astonishing contrast levels - we look forward to testing those when they arrive in the UK this summer. "


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Her is a exclusive hands on with Panasonic TC-P50VT25 50in Full HD 3D plasma TV.

Smooth and comfortable

"The 3D screen itself looks like a regular PDP. It’s not the slimmest TV you’ll find but it’s probably the one that offers the greatest (subjective) depth. I watched a variety of clips (both animated and real life) and was blown away by the illusion of dimensionality it delivered. 3D images were smooth and artefact-free, and the screen size was very comfortable. By way of comparison, I went on to sit through some 3D demonstrations on LCD TVs several days later which struggled to move images back and forth on the depth plane, introducing a variety of headache-inducing artefacts in the process.

The Panasonic display, though, was effortlessly seductive. Of course, once differences in display technologies have been ironed out I think a lot of interest will shift to the spectacles themselves. Issues of lightness and comfort will quickly become pre-eminent."


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Here is a info about the 'Infinite Black Panel Pro'.


"Kuro engineers go back to black

But it's not just 3D TVs that are getting some special attention: Panasonic's 2D Viera range has had an overhaul for 2010, too. Key to the quality enhancements is 'Infinite Black Panel Pro' - developed by engineers who previously worked for Pioneer on the class-leading Kuro plasmas.

Panasonic displayed one of these new models against its 2009 plasmas, and the new panel was noticeably, well, blacker, with astonishing contrast levels - we look forward to testing those when they arrive in the UK this summer. "



Thanks for the info! Hopefully that's the case.

Thanks also STriderGT, for those that haven't clicked the link or might be removed:

"We saw one today. Let's just say that the panel in the TV looks a lot like the KURO. And I do mean, a HELL OF A LOT like one. "
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sounds good... finally, we have Kuro blacks on Panasonic.
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sounds good... finally, we have Kuro blacks on Panasonic.

Let's not jump the gun just yet. It may be a while before anyone can play around with the new Panny's.
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sounds good... finally, we have Kuro blacks on Panasonic.

8G maybe.
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It's not all about the blacks guys. What about color reproduction, video processing, etc. What if Panasonic does achieves absolute black, do you guys think Panasonic can have all other characteristics at best and bring out a tv out at a reasonable price? I don't know. I would rather have better color reproduction video processing over black levels any day. Blacks doesn't have to absolute. To me the 9G Kuros was the closest to a perfect tv in terms of performance.
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It's not all about the blacks guys. What about color reproduction, video processing etc. Even if Panasonic achieves absolute black, what about the colors and video noise, etc.?

Could care less, if Panasonic surpassed Kuros in black level I'd be lining up right now. Black level/contrast is the single most important aspect of a display. Everything else you can dial in close enough.
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could care less, if panasonic surpassed kuros in black level i'd be lining up right now. Black level/contrast is the single most important aspect of a display. Everything else you can dial in close enough.

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Could care less, if Panasonic surpassed Kuros in black level I'd be lining up right now. Black level/contrast is the single most important aspect of a display. Everything else you can dial in close enough.

Do you think Panasonic will ever surpassed Kuros in term of black level? I don't know if you can dial in the video processing part.
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Do you think Panasonic will ever surpassed Kuros in term of black level? I don't know if you can dial in the video processing part.

Of course they will(I say 2011)They have the same crew that worked on the Kuro's. On topic on this new displays, all this spec's sound lovely on paper, but let's see how good(Ture)they're in the first few months. And WTF, on only giving consumers one set of glasses.

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Of course they will(I say 2011)They have the same crew that worked on the Kuro's. On topic on this new displays, all this spec's sound lovely on paper, but let's see how good(Ture)they're in the first few months. And WTF, on only giving consumers one set of glasses.

money talks.......

the ultimate goal of TV compainies is to make money.

it is that simple.

Obviosly they should include at least two sets of glasses.
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Is there any info on powerconsumption of the new PDPs ?

Also are they fanless, because a friend of mine has a G10 and that fan makes a lot of noise.

I'm in the market for a panny later this year....
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this is for all the pioneer 9g lovers:
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Could care less, if Panasonic surpassed Kuros in black level I'd be lining up right now. Black level/contrast is the single most important aspect of a display. Everything else you can dial in close enough.

Whatever you do, don't say that in the disco!
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Looks official like a referee with a whistle. Kuro tech is in the new 2010 Panasonic Plasmas!
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Looks official like a referee with a whistle. Kuro tech is in the new 2010 Panasonic Plasmas!

But only the top end V series im guessing?
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Agree 100% regarding the 75"er. If the Vizio 72" LED/LCD with 3D at $3.5K has any kind of reasonably good PQ and reliability, they will clean up in the large size market. Never thought I would consider a Vizio for my main TV but if something happens to my 65" 600U, looks like I would have to give it a hard look. Vizio may have brought us a game changer because of size and cost in both the plasma and LCD markets!

I'm looking for an 80" myself. However I think you need to upscale once you go over 70" for it to look good. I didn't go to CES this year but the 3 large TV models I saw had 4K resolution - 2 were still prototypes but it sure did make them look sharp even at close distances. I'll wait at least until next year based on what I've read this year for my next BIG tv purchase.
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Looks official like a referee with a whistle. Kuro tech is in the new 2010 Panasonic Plasmas!

Wont believe it until D-Nice makes a statement.

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D-Nice,

Have any info, from the reps at CES or otherwise, suggesting when the G20s/25s might hit the market?
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Looks official like a referee with a whistle. Kuro tech is in the new 2010 Panasonic Plasmas!

Thanks for the post sypack. Queue the naysayers...

I'm not going to bet the bank on it, but it looks promising and is the most indication we've gotten on that subject to this point.
Now I've gotta consider what to do about that d@mn 65v10 on order.
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