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post #1351 of 2271 Old 11-02-2010, 01:26 PM
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The tech said its definately burn in and that it shouldn't have happened, but now we had to wait for panasonics decision on what to do.

Panasonic finally responded and said that it's not covered, what I did everything right and it was only a little over a month old. I watched everything in low contrast, stretched and ran the break-in screens, still have burn-in.
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My S2 has IR like your C2 did... mere seconds is all it takes. It does not seem permanent in any way, but it is ridiculously quick to pick it up. Logos are the worst, naturally, but just like you described, every fade through black looks like a freeze frame of the scene that was just shown.

BTW... 75 on sharpness is very high... you have to be seeing nasty edge artifacts from it. Settings between 0 and 10 - certainly no higher than 15 - are were it should be.

Do you think you might have a defective set? I mean my S2 doesn't get IR even when watching a TV show on 4:3 the entire time but my C2 would retain the last frame of a scene. That's pretty bad.

Also, when I crank up the sharpness, it hardly does anything at all. I barely see a difference between 20 and 100. I only chose 75 because I hate to have anything on 100%.

One more thing... I'm using cinema mode on all of my input sources. I love cinema mode. It's very nice on my eyes and looks more natural to me than any other modes.

I used cinema mode on my C2 as well.

I wonder if you can get your S2 replaced. I find it kind of odd thy you get IR after only a few seconds, and I can't seem to make mine get it (not that I really wanna try though). I'm still being careful with my TV but this one is way more robust than my C2 was about IR.

Cheers! Good luck mate!
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It took about 3 hours straight of white on black logo for me to get any IR, and then two run throughs of the white bar (15 minutes each) got rid of it completely. I'd say if you're getting noticeable IR from normal watching, then you're either sitting really close (I couldn't see the IR in mine from normal sitting distance after the first white bar run-through, but could still see it if I got within a few feet of the screen) or your set is defective.
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Do you think you might have a defective set? I mean my S2 doesn't get IR even when watching a TV show on 4:3 the entire time but my C2 would retain the last frame of a scene. That's pretty bad.

Also, when I crank up the sharpness, it hardly does anything at all. I barely see a difference between 20 and 100. I only chose 75 because I hate to have anything on 100%.

One more thing... I'm using cinema mode on all of my input sources. I love cinema mode. It's very nice on my eyes and looks more natural to me than any other modes.

I used cinema mode on my C2 as well.

I wonder if you can get your S2 replaced. I find it kind of odd thy you get IR after only a few seconds, and I can't seem to make mine get it (not that I really wanna try though). I'm still being careful with my TV but this one is way more robust than my C2 was about IR.

Cheers! Good luck mate!

I also run exclusively in Cinema mode, with a moderate contrast setting of 71. It WAS a defective set that was repaired (horizontal streaking/banding was present in near black video. When the service tech was here even he noticed the quick IR because the menus he brought up were being retained instantly. This pic shows both the streaking issue that the set originally had as well as the IR from the set's input banner at the top left... it was only on screen for a few seconds when I changed inputs:



Honestly, its more of a curiosity than a real concern since the IR gets erased just as easily as it gets imprinted. It's way less of an issue than exchanging it for a set that has floating black problems would be (mine has zero float in Cinema mode). I don't want to take that chance - overall this is a pretty good TV for a budget-priced model.

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I swear, I'm not crazy!

A few days ago I went to the store and I couldn't stand to look at the S2 plasma. Everyone who saw the [grainy] problem felt the same way. Well, today I went to the store to finalize my decision on a different TV and I walked by the 65S2 again, just to remind myself how terrible it was. To my surprise I couldn't see the problem. At all. I thought maybe there's something wrong with me, so I invited the same sales rep from a few days ago to confirm what I was seeing and he was also surprised. He suggested that the settings may have changed, so we went through all the menus trying to recreate the problem and we couldn't. The TV was set on Vivid, the mode where this problem seemed most prevalent.

The TV looked beautiful. Close-up it wasn't as crisp as the Samsung and didn't pop quite as much, but I'm sure at home it would be very good. I'm really on the fence here. The TV looked great, but the graining I saw earlier worries me, especially not knowing what caused it.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this may possibly be? One day I see grain from over 10ft away now I see nothing.

Thanks guys.

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I swear, I'm not crazy!

A few days ago I went to the store and I couldn't stand to look at the S2 plasma. Everyone who saw the [grainy] problem felt the same way. Well, today I went to the store to finalize my decision on a different TV and I walked by the 65S2 again, just to remind myself how terrible it was. To my surprise I couldn't see the problem. At all. I thought maybe there's something wrong with me, so I invited the same sales rep from a few days ago to confirm what I was seeing and he was also surprised. He suggested that the settings may have changed, so we went through all the menus trying to recreate the problem and we couldn't. The TV was set on Vivid, the mode where this problem seemed most prevalent.

The TV looked beautiful. Close-up it wasn't as crisp as the Samsung and didn't pop quite as much, but I'm sure at home it would be very good. I'm really on the fence here. The TV looked great, but the graining I saw earlier worries me, especially not knowing what caused it.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this may possibly be? One day I see grain from over 10ft away now I see nothing.

Thanks guys.

You have to be fair with these sets. Watch a noise free, grain free source, such as Avatar, or Toy Story 3. Ensure your watching it with no overscan, and on a mode besides vivid mode. You shouldn't see grain. Dithering from gradation and fine shadow detail does in fact exist on all plasmas, but this is somthing you should not be able to see when your standing farther then 2 feet from the set. Cinema Game and Custom modes are the cleanest looking modes.

Most films have grain, and lots of other content is compressed. Although it may be impractical at a store, you really need to get a clean, modern transfered movie on blu ray displayed on the set. A recent computer animated film from pixar, or an extremely high quality transfer like avatar should reveal what the set is truely capable of, and remove the doubt of a grainy picture. If you can still see grain, then you will know its the set for sure.
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I know everyone loves the Harmony remotes, but in my opinion the RCA RCRP05B is a great remote for this TV, the Panny BD players and pretty much everything else. I use it to control the TV, a Panasonic 65 BD player and two DirecTV DVRs along with my Yamaha receiver.

It is all of $15 at Sears. If you want to program it via computer, you can via a "JP1 cable" which costs about another $20, and you can literally make it control any device you want to. You can set up as many macros as you want and move functions to any key that you want.

The harmony remotes do have a screen you can label certain buttons which are not on the remote but may be on your original remote. With the RCA almost all the buttons are already labeled the way you would use them for either a DVR or BD player.

This is a great find for me. The button arrangement on the One4All 8910 I've had for the last 5 years is way too different from the Panny remotes. This RCA looks perfect for them and for the TimeWarner remote. And it can be had for $15! Thanks a bunch

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You have to be fair with these sets. Watch a noise free, grain free source, such as Avatar, or Toy Story 3. Ensure your watching it with no overscan, and on a mode besides vivid mode. You shouldn't see grain. Dithering from gradation and fine shadow detail does in fact exist on all plasmas, but this is somthing you should not be able to see when your standing farther then 2 feet from the set. Cinema Game and Custom modes are the cleanest looking modes.

Most films have grain, and lots of other content is compressed. Although it may be impractical at a store, you really need to get a clean, modern transfered movie on blu ray displayed on the set. A recent computer animated film from pixar, or an extremely high quality transfer like avatar should reveal what the set is truely capable of, and remove the doubt of a grainy picture. If you can still see grain, then you will know its the set for sure.

I watched the same content on the same TV (two of them) on two different days. The content was played from a Blu-ray connected via HDMI - it was Panasonic's own content. I also watched Iron Man 2 on Blu-ray. The TV is schizophrenic or something.

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Just get the TV already and trust the MANY happy owners of the S2. I think all of today's plasmas will please everyone. All I know was I wanted the best bang for my buck and the 65S2 was it. The only thing to worry about is whether you get a buzzer.
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I swear, I'm not crazy!

A few days ago I went to the store and I couldn't stand to look at the S2 plasma. Everyone who saw the [grainy] problem felt the same way. Well, today I went to the store to finalize my decision on a different TV and I walked by the 65S2 again, just to remind myself how terrible it was. To my surprise I couldn't see the problem. At all. I thought maybe there's something wrong with me, so I invited the same sales rep from a few days ago to confirm what I was seeing and he was also surprised. He suggested that the settings may have changed, so we went through all the menus trying to recreate the problem and we couldn't. The TV was set on Vivid, the mode where this problem seemed most prevalent.

The TV looked beautiful. Close-up it wasn't as crisp as the Samsung and didn't pop quite as much, but I'm sure at home it would be very good. I'm really on the fence here. The TV looked great, but the graining I saw earlier worries me, especially not knowing what caused it.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this may possibly be? One day I see grain from over 10ft away now I see nothing.

Thanks guys.

It's possible that the TV was broken in the second time you looked at it. My picture definitely improved after 20-30 hours.
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I swear, I'm not crazy!

A few days ago I went to the store and I couldn't stand to look at the S2 plasma. Everyone who saw the [grainy] problem felt the same way. Well, today I went to the store to finalize my decision on a different TV and I walked by the 65S2 again, just to remind myself how terrible it was. To my surprise I couldn't see the problem. At all. I thought maybe there's something wrong with me, so I invited the same sales rep from a few days ago to confirm what I was seeing and he was also surprised. He suggested that the settings may have changed, so we went through all the menus trying to recreate the problem and we couldn't. The TV was set on Vivid, the mode where this problem seemed most prevalent.

The TV looked beautiful. Close-up it wasn't as crisp as the Samsung and didn't pop quite as much, but I'm sure at home it would be very good. I'm really on the fence here. The TV looked great, but the graining I saw earlier worries me, especially not knowing what caused it.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this may possibly be? One day I see grain from over 10ft away now I see nothing.

Thanks guys.

It's very probable that this is because of different source material.
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I've got a Sony SXRD set (60") as my primary!!
Get that thing exchanged before the exchange program ends. I just got my 52HX909 LED as the replacement last week and love it. The viewing angle is horrible compared to my 50S2 in the bedroom.
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I swear, I'm not crazy!

A few days ago I went to the store and I couldn't stand to look at the S2 plasma. Everyone who saw the [grainy] problem felt the same way. Well, today I went to the store to finalize my decision on a different TV and I walked by the 65S2 again, just to remind myself how terrible it was. To my surprise I couldn't see the problem. At all. I thought maybe there's something wrong with me, so I invited the same sales rep from a few days ago to confirm what I was seeing and he was also surprised. He suggested that the settings may have changed, so we went through all the menus trying to recreate the problem and we couldn't. The TV was set on Vivid, the mode where this problem seemed most prevalent.

The TV looked beautiful. Close-up it wasn't as crisp as the Samsung and didn't pop quite as much, but I'm sure at home it would be very good. I'm really on the fence here. The TV looked great, but the graining I saw earlier worries me, especially not knowing what caused it.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this may possibly be? One day I see grain from over 10ft away now I see nothing.

Thanks guys.
Didn't we tell you already to use Cinema mode? Why are you mentioning Vivid here? lol
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I swear, I'm not crazy!

A few days ago I went to the store and I couldn't stand to look at the S2 plasma. Everyone who saw the [grainy] problem felt the same way. Well, today I went to the store to finalize my decision on a different TV and I walked by the 65S2 again, just to remind myself how terrible it was. To my surprise I couldn't see the problem. At all. I thought maybe there's something wrong with me, so I invited the same sales rep from a few days ago to confirm what I was seeing and he was also surprised. He suggested that the settings may have changed, so we went through all the menus trying to recreate the problem and we couldn't. The TV was set on Vivid, the mode where this problem seemed most prevalent.

The TV looked beautiful. Close-up it wasn't as crisp as the Samsung and didn't pop quite as much, but I'm sure at home it would be very good. I'm really on the fence here. The TV looked great, but the graining I saw earlier worries me, especially not knowing what caused it.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this may possibly be? One day I see grain from over 10ft away now I see nothing.

Thanks guys.

I don't think you are crazy. I bought a 42" S2 on Saturday night along with an 85K Blu-ray. I watched "The Matrix" as my inaugural Blu-ray movie. It looked great except once in a wile, random scenes would appear grainy. I also noticed the floor models of the S2 at two different Best Buys and one Sears store also showed graininess. I've seen the graininess appear on random occasions on a number of Blu-ray discs (Star Trek, Casino Royal, Hitchiker's Guide). My settings are in cinema with contrast and brightness both below 50 (for initial break-in). I'm going to give this thing a couple of weeks to see if it works itself out and if it doesn't I may return/exchange the TV. It's got a great picture except for that weird, random graininess. I don't think this is an imaginary problem nor do I think it's a setting issue. I think something in the TV itself is causing this but that's just my opinion.

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The Matrix IS a grainy movie in areas. Thats not the TV's fault. Wanna see nasty, added grain? Watch Green Zone
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Can someone please tell me how to tell how many hours my TV has been on?
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Can someone please tell me how to tell how many hours my TV has been on?

Don't remember who posted this, but thanks!

1) Hold Vol "-" button down on TV
2) Press in "Info" button on remote THREE times
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7) Hours and minutes are displayed, as well as the "Count" (number of times powered on)
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I don't think you are crazy. I bought a 42" S2 on Saturday night along with an 85K Blu-ray. I watched "The Matrix" as my inaugural Blu-ray movie. It looked great except once in a wile, random scenes would appear grainy. I also noticed the floor models of the S2 at two different Best Buys and one Sears store also showed graininess. I've seen the graininess appear on random occasions on a number of Blu-ray discs (Star Trek, Casino Royal, Hitchiker's Guide). My settings are in cinema with contrast and brightness both below 50 (for initial break-in). I'm going to give this thing a couple of weeks to see if it works itself out and if it doesn't I may return/exchange the TV. It's got a great picture except for that weird, random graininess. I don't think this is an imaginary problem nor do I think it's a setting issue. I think something in the TV itself is causing this but that's just my opinion.

Let us know how it fares after you break it in a little. I'm probably going to sacrifice the extra 2" and go with the Samsung. At least my wife can use it during the day too.

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So I just got back in from purchasing a P65S2 with delivery set for Wed.

Here is my 'first time plasma owner' newb question: I happen to be traveling for work Thurs-Sun and am considering running one of the burn programs (which I need to research a bit) while I'm gone. I'll be browsing the burn in thread to get some ideas as well but I wanted to ask owners of the the set what they thought.

Is it really recommended to run for 100hrs in a row like that? My family will be home to check on the TV throughout the weekend, but I'm just hesitant to start off a new TV with 4 days of constant play.

Any thought on how good/bad of an idea this is? I rather like the idea of not being around wanting to use the TV during the burn in time -- so if it is safe I like the idea of utilizing the weekend.

The sales rep mentioned Panasonic's built in IR tool (which runs through a while screen I believe) -- but if spending a few days with a looping program means safer game playing in the future then it is a small price to pay.

Quite looking forward to the TV.
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Running it 24/7 for 4-5 days is nothing, trust me, I do it. Run the slides when you sleep, or are at work, then watch full screen stuff when you are home. The 100-150 hours will be gone in no time and you can not sweat it anymore.

The IR tool is the white bar, Id not use it for breaking in, only if you get some serious IR. I prefer the slides, because they are full screen, and you can use them to wipe away IR quickly too. Also, set pixel orbiter to 1, which is most aggressive.

With electronics, generally, if it's gonna go out it's fast. Get some hours on it quick and see how it does. I should be in the 700 range or more, just from Sept.
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I'm the proud owner of a P65S2! It was a warranty replacement for my RCA Scenium Profile HD61THW263 61" that I owned for 5 years.

Watched some HD football and T.V. shows last weekend and played a couple hours of games. Very impressed. The fact I got if for free + the cost of a new warranty does not hurt either.

I joined this site to learn more about calibration and break-in. I have been running the slide show since Tuesday night, so I'm almost done. That is a really good way to make the wife angry! Running 24/7, it puts out quite a bit of heat. I can't wait to see how it looks after the break-in.

Does it make a large difference in the picture/color quality?
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Hi quick question for the calibration

WB-ADJ MENU
R-DRV: +5
G-DRV: -11
B-DRV: -11
R-CUT: -2
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how do you get negatives and positives
when I scroll through the offsets i get things like 1a 6d.
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Let us know how it fares after you break it in a little. I'm probably going to sacrifice the extra 2" and go with the Samsung. At least my wife can use it during the day too.

We watched Toy Story 3 last night and I never saw any graininess. The movie looked amazing. Had to watch it twice. The colors and detail gave it a 3D look. Pixar really has nailed their "lighting" techniques. I may have to rent The Matrix again from Netflix to see if the graininess is still there...or maybe it's just that certain scenes somehow elicit graininess from the TV. Who is to say it's Panasonic's fault or the fault of the people who make the Blu-ray discs?

In any event, I think I'm going to keep this TV because it does have great image quality (of course my last TV was a 30 year old RCA 27") unless something bad really pops up before my 30 day return policy expires.

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I want to post a photo of my setup. I installed an outlet and an HDMI outlet behind the TV so the wires wouldn't hang down. The TV is mounted on a Monoprice Tilting/Swiveling Bracket which I love. Also got a Panasonic 85K Blu-ray player which is nice but the interface is kind of clunky and slow. BTW...thanks to all the people on this forum who helped me make my decision and have provided sound advice.
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jestman.

The letter/number combinations are hexadecimal numbers. They are absolute values. The offsets are, well, offsets from those absolute hexadecimal values. The offsets are expressed in decimal form.

For example, if R-CUT is F9 and the offset is +5, you should increase F9 by 5 ticks. That will change F9 to FE.


I suggest that you read more. And I hope that you noted your factory values -- there is no reset for the service menu.


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Hi quick question for the calibration

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G-DRV: -11
B-DRV: -11
R-CUT: -2
G-CUT: 0
B-CUT: +4

how do you get negatives and positives
when I scroll through the offsets i get things like 1a 6d.
please help me!
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My take on IR-

I’ve seen a lot of complaints lately about these newer Panny’s and Burn In/IR. I recently decided to monitor IR from a football game (CBS HD) to see how the set handled it.

After finishing the 3.5 hour CBS game (halftime and commercials of course) I switched to an ESPN game (logos on bottom as opposed to top) and could easily see the CBS logo in the green of the grass. Keep in mind this is 12” from the screen, but at 8.5ft on the 58” I could not pick it out (18/20 in one eye and 20/20 in the other).

I decided to monitor how the IR behaved every 10 minutes, over the course of the next football game. Long story short, it took 80 minutes for the CBS logo IR to not be seen at 12”. Here is my take, from someone who has owned a 2005, 2008 and 2010 Panny plasma:


*) Is it worse than previous models? Yes
*) Is it easier to see on a larger screen (50” vs 58”)? Of course.
*) Am I worried about pausing or channel logos? No.

I’m not sure if it is the Neo PDP panel difference, or just the size of the screen, but IR did not hang on this long on my ’08 50”, but I’m not concerned at all. FYI, the Contrast setting of my ’08 was 100, and the Contrast setting of my ’10 is 90.

Also, I've paused a movie for 30 minutes intentionally, and not gotten burn in, so I feel skeptical about some of the claims, unless it was just plain irresponsible actions.
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jestman.

The letter/number combinations are hexadecimal numbers. They are absolute values. The offsets are, well, offsets from those absolute hexadecimal values. The offsets are expressed in decimal form.

For example, if R-CUT is F9 and the offset is +5, you should increase F9 by 5 ticks. That will change F9 to FE.


I suggest that you read more. And I hope that you noted your factory values -- there is no reset for the service menu.


Larry

Larry! Thank you so much. I know I'm so nub for not looking around first but
I wrote all my offsets down and started going out there and my entire screen when almost black for a minute and I freaked out. Thank you so much for answering my question though!
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So what's the difference between the PXXS2 model and the PXXG25 models?

So far I could only find differences in contrast ratio and Internet stuff (that I don't care about).
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So what's the difference between the PXXS2 model and the PXXG25 models?

So far I could only find differences in contrast ratio and Internet stuff (that I don't care about).

The G25 has a diferent panal(infinite black panel) that is supposed to block out more ambient light. This is supposed to create deep blacks and less greying.
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This is a interesting one... My 58S2 is about 2 weeks old now... I now hear a constant humming sound coming from the TV and now have to run my volume at 30+ to overpower the loud humming sound...

My second issue... my TV sounds as if a spark plug is trying to ignite while on, it's a second or so of "zap zap zap" and is very loud - it sounds just like a spark plug...

What is going on???
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