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Few days ago, i brought a new 50VT20 from best buy. It was made in the Mexico (production date:Apr). Some one in the forum said that the 50VT20 was made in the Japan???

What about the 50VT25. Are they made in Japan?
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anybody know if the vt20 is available in the uk yet.?
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anybody know if the vt20 is available in the uk yet.?

Yes it is, but in limited numbers and locations. Check out the AVForums plasma forum for more information.
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thanks stanga - will check it out.
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The glasses definitely work past 10 ft. If I remember correctly, they go up to 30 according to my rep. I can check out the distance when I go into work today. The glasses are intended to turn off if they pass a certain distance or are stationary for a certain period of time. Customers have already broken 2 of my 3 pairs (split in half) so the last pair is locked up and requires an employee if you want to see them...

I stopped by a Magnolia about three weeks ago and waited in line to watch about five seconds of Panasonic 3D. Thinking things may have calmed down, I stopped by again yesterday and the set was on 2D and the glasses were not at the stand. The sales person who approached didn't offer to let me watch 3D even though I asked several questions. Since I'm waiting for the 58 anyway I decided to give it a rest. I suppose they will quickly sell every 3D they can get their hands on and there is no reason to let the curious lookers destroy their equipment -- and since they probably have to pay their rent this month they need to sell what they have.
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Is this true????

I think there might be some confusion between the VT25 and the VT20 of which the latter was a Best Buy only thing. If it IS true, it wouldn't be a long wait anyway. A couple of the VT25's are already listen on the Panasonic direct site. They don't have an "Add to Cart" button yet, but based on history that will be there within two weeks or less.
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Hi Owners,

So if the 50" VT25 didn't have the issues of rising black level and floating blacks, would it be a perfect set?

(1) How distracting are the floating blacks?

(2) After the black level rises to its maximum level, is the TV worse than competitor's plasma sets or the new 2010 Samsung LEDs?

Thank ahead of time for your input.....
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Is this true????

According to my Panasonic rep it is. Panasonic is being very selective this year with who is selling their products and are going to limit most internet dealers . Yes the VT20 was exclusive to BB only during the initial release, but even when the VT25 is fully released, it is only supposed to be available through brick and mortars and just a few select internet dealers
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Hi Owners,

So if the 50" VT25 didn't have the issues of rising black level and floating blacks, would it be a perfect set?

(1) How distracting are the floating blacks?

(2) After the black level rises to its maximum level, is the TV worse than competitor's plasma sets or the new 2010 Samsung LEDs?

Thank ahead of time for your input.....

It would depend on what you describe as a perfect set. In terms of black level, the vt25 series will be on par with the Pioneer 8G.

(1) I don't know about the floating blacks because I never experience on a Panasonic plasma. I think I notice it on my 2008 Hitachi plasma but wasn't really distracting to me.

(2) I personally think the black level rise issue make Panasonic plasma look like a Vizio plasma in terms of black level. My co-worker bought a last year's floor model TC-P54G10 and man did the black level look gray. I was very shock. My 2008 Hitachi plasma black levels are darker. The 2011 Panasonic are suppose to rise but at a slower rate from what I heard. But you never know, maybe Panasonic might have a fix for this.
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bit cofussed if somebody can explain the differance between th VT20 and the VT25 I thought both were the same item one being Europe model other USA model ???
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Hello everyone, haven't been on in a couple days I know. Working and TRYING to study for finals isn't as easy as all the teenage dramas on tv make it seem. Anyway, a bit of a disappointing update on the 58 and 65VT25 situation. Turns out BB is NOT able to get these TVs before June. At work today I was told that while our ordering system was giving us a day sometime this month, it's apparently not actually true. Our "actual" Panasonic rep and their contracted rep both told us not to try to order them yet as there are actually none to order. Either that or they're trying to stick to some kind of weird street date type thing and restricting ordering. Anyway, every Mag store that had knowledge of the SKUs should now know that we have to wait to order them and the stores that had no knowledge of the SKUs can just go about their day-to-day-not-knowing-about-new-products business. Sorry about the apparently pre-mature excitement.
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Hello everyone, haven't been on in a couple days I know. Working and TRYING to study for finals isn't as easy as all the teenage dramas on tv make it seem. Anyway, a bit of a disappointing update on the 58 and 65VT25 situation. Turns out BB is NOT able to get these TVs before June. At work today I was told that while our ordering system was giving us a day sometime this month, it's apparently not actually true. Our "actual" Panasonic rep and their contracted rep both told us not to try to order them yet as there are actually none to order. Either that or they're trying to stick to some kind of weird street date type thing and restricting ordering. Anyway, every Mag store that had knowledge of the SKUs should now know that we have to wait to order them and the stores that had no knowledge of the SKUs can just go about their day-to-day-not-knowing-about-new-products business. Sorry about the apparently pre-mature excitement.

Thanks so much for the update and mucho appreciated. Truth is, this is actually "normal" and very much expected.
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bit cofussed if somebody can explain the differance between th VT20 and the VT25 I thought both were the same item one being Europe model other USA model ???

They are both US models. VT20 has a silver frame vs black on the VT25. VT25 has rs-232c connection for media networking and an isf menu for calibration, VT20 has none of that. VT20 is exclusive to Best Buy and VT25 is for Magnolia, brick and motor stores, etc.
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They are both US models. VT20 has a silver frame vs black on the VT25. VT25 has rs-232c connection for media networking and an isf menu for calibration, VT20 has none of that. VT20 is exclusive to Best Buy and VT25 is for Magnolia, brick and motor stores, etc.

Plus.... The VT20 only comes in one size, 50".
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Is this flickering (like in this video in bright scenes) only on my LCD monitor ? Or it does flicker in real also ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOvSW...eature=related
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Is this flickering (like in this video in bright scenes) only on my LCD monitor ? Or it does flicker in real also ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOvSW...eature=related

Yes it's flickering badly on mine ... but don't bother, it's due to the capture (ie to the movie camera) ...
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bit cofussed if somebody can explain the differance between th VT20 and the VT25 I thought both were the same item one being Europe model other USA model ???

In Europe there is only the 3D VT20 and the spec. is the same as the US VT25.
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According to my Panasonic rep it is. Panasonic is being very selective this year with who is selling their products and are going to limit most internet dealers . Yes the VT20 was exclusive to BB only during the initial release, but even when the VT25 is fully released, it is only supposed to be available through brick and mortars and just a few select internet dealers

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I live in an area where there is no store carrying the vt25,do they think about things like that???
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(2) I personally think the black level rise issue make Panasonic plasma look like a Vizio plasma in terms of black level.

WTF are you talking about? Even if the VT20/VT25 black levels worst case triple over time it would still have the best blacks over about any other plasma (including the 2010 models) except Kuros.
And you call the second best to a Pioneer Kuro a Vizio? LOL. And that's just the blacks. Kuro doesn't have a 3D ...
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They are both US models. VT20 has a silver frame vs black on the VT25. VT25 has rs-232c connection for media networking and an isf menu for calibration, VT20 has none of that. VT20 is exclusive to Best Buy and VT25 is for Magnolia, brick and motor stores, etc.

Watch how the VT20 disapear of the planet once the VT25 are out in full flow. I am almost positive now that the VT20 was released to get the word out on Panasonic 3D, as Samsung 3D was already available. If Panasonic would not have done this, Samsung would have had just about a 2 month advantage.
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well just seen both the panasonic VT20 3D and the Samsung 3d - my oppinion is the Panasonic wins hands down far better option (well as I said thats my oppinion),
just to add the VT25 is the same as the V20 here in the uk - thats according to Panasonic anyway..... like to here if anybody else knows anything different.
as audioboy say the VT20 is in silver - hes wrong the model I saw was not silver - maybe in the USA it is..
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Haven't heard from D-Nice about this tele for a long time.

I really do hope that he will keep his word about testing a VT20 for a month or two to see the change in the black level.

Any word on the Canadian release of larger (58" & 65") VT25?

Coming soon...
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Haven't heard from D-Nice about this tele for a long time.

I really do hope that he will keep his word about testing a VT20 for a month or two to see the change in the black level.

Any word on the Canadian release of larger (58" & 65") VT25?

I think he said the VT20 he had malfuntioned or something of that manner.

He then said he was planning on getting areplacement but did not know when. He said he was thinking about the 54" or 58" VT25.
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Haven't heard from D-Nice about this tele for a long time.

I really do hope that he will keep his word about testing a VT20 for a month or two to see the change in the black level.

Any word on the Canadian release of larger (58" & 65") VT25?

He might, if people stay off his back...
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I doubt seriously if there is a 10.5 limit on 3D glasses when the average viewing distance from a 65"er is 10'-12'. Once those glasses are on your face, you'll see the 3D effect every time you look at the screen displaying 3D material no matter what the distance. But then you have the visual acuity limitation of your eyesight and the ability to resolve images from certain distances. At some point of distance, you will loose the ability to distinguish between HD & SD.

I'm only repeating what I read in the service manual. It said 10.5 feet, as in, the distance from the set for the glasses to work. I can't say I believe it but there it was in black and white.
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I'm only repeating what I read in the service manual. It said 10.5 feet, as in, the distance from the set for the glasses to work. I can't say I believe it but there it was in black and white.

You sure it didn't say 10.5 meters? That would be around 34'
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Few days ago, i brought a new 50VT20 from best buy. It was made in the Mexico (production date:Apr). Some one in the forum said that the 50VT20 was made in the Japan???

What about the 50VT25. Are they made in Japan?

No. VT20 were made in Japan but no anymore and ALL VT25 are assembled in Mexico. At least the two (50, 54) thats out on the market.
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Was at bb in upstate ny today. BB sales rep tells me that the vt20 has no glare in screen and the vt25 does.They had the 50vt20 on display in 3d and the 54vt25 on display in 2d only.I asked whats the deal?. I wanna see the 54 in 3d, was told they could not afford to get another pair of glasses. I gotta tell ya the 3d is great!,but those glasses SUCK if thats the best they can do it could be a deal breaker for me.I played with the rubber nose piece on the glasses, just no way to make them feel any less than awkward.
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Was at bb in upstate ny today. BB sales rep tells me that the vt20 has no glare in screen and the vt25 does.They had the 50vt20 on display in 3d and the 54vt25 on display in 2d only.I asked whats the deal?. I wanna see the 54 in 3d, was told they could not afford to get another pair of glasses. I gotta tell ya the 3d is great!,but those glasses SUCK if thats the best they can do it could be a deal breaker for me.I played with the rubber nose piece on the glasses, just no way to make them feel any less than awkward.

I saw the VT20 demo for the first time today and it was definitely better than the Samsung demo I saw 1 month ago. I agree that the glasses are the weak spot. They need something that shield you from the ambient light. Maybe they need a couple of options, like goggles. I dunno, either way the glasses were kinda bad in terms of ergonomics. Granted you're not going to be wearing them most of the time, considering the cost it seems they could have been better designed.

Also, if Panasonic were smart, they'd have produced a bunch of 65VT25's FIRST and put those on the demo floors in March rather than sticking to their usual "biggest screens last" schedule.
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