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fastrandstrongr1's Avatar fastrandstrongr1 06:46 PM 03-30-2010
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It's also unknown whether or not the 950 will even come with the wii-like remote, if that interests you. It didn't come with the European PK950

i think that's really just a gimmick. i have a wii and know how to control it well for games, but think it'd be really annoying to use as a tv remote... anyone else feel this way? anyone get to try the new LG remote?

Mauri's Avatar Mauri 03:17 PM 04-01-2010
In Italy the PK950 (PK980 our version) come with a second remote, but not that "magic" showed on CES. It is smaller than the standard one, with only all the most important buttons. I find it more useful than the magic one
ScottGraham's Avatar ScottGraham 07:39 PM 04-02-2010
I ordered the 60PK750 yesterday from Cleveland Plasma. As many of you know, they are great to deal with. And as they readily admit, they have a mystifying pricing structure relative to the 60PK550.

I'll try to share some impressions when it arrives later next week. Thanks to everyone for helping my decide.
Keynote's Avatar Keynote 08:57 PM 04-02-2010
Received my 60PK750 today. All I can say is that it is amazing. Wonderful picture quality and it looks really sleek. One of the nicest looking televisions that I have ever seen. After owning a few Samsung LED sets, this thing feels really heavy. No complaints yet except I wish LG could have worked more on eliminating screen glare. I owned a Panasonic V10 and for some reason I like this television more.
fastrandstrongr1's Avatar fastrandstrongr1 08:58 PM 04-02-2010
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Received my 60PK750 today. All I can say is that it is amazing. Wonderful picture quality and it looks really sleek. One of the nicest looking televisions that I have ever seen. After owning a few Samsung LED sets, this thing feels really heavy. No complaints yet except I wish Samsung could have worked more on eliminating screen glare. I owned a Panasonic V10 and for some reason I like this television more.

any chance you can offer up some comparisons between the v10 and the 750? i have a g10 right now with the itch to upgrade...
Mauri's Avatar Mauri 11:10 PM 04-02-2010
About the pannys rising black, here is a new article from CNET, about the long-term test they have started some time ago:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...eed&subj=Crave

after 982 hours of use, the V10 they have bought for that test has doubled the MML. Now it is 0.016 fL, let see what will happen after 2100 hours or so. The LG 50PK550 had 0.0132 fL, from the Chad B. review.
Keynote's Avatar Keynote 01:14 AM 04-03-2010
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any chance you can offer up some comparisons between the v10 and the 750? i have a g10 right now with the itch to upgrade...

I can't say that the black levels on the LG look much better than on the V10. I can honestly say that it is probably not worth the upgrade. I wish that the picture on the PK750 was a little brighter.
calvin35's Avatar calvin35 01:21 AM 04-03-2010
Has anyone actually measured the black level on the PK750?
tercel's Avatar tercel 02:26 AM 04-03-2010
Cleveland Plasma

Chris, just curious why the PK550 and PK750 are the same price.
barrist's Avatar barrist 06:35 AM 04-03-2010
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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

About the pannys rising black, here is a new article from CNET, about the long-term test they have started some time ago:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...eed&subj=Crave

after 982 hours of use, the V10 they have bought for that test has doubled the MML. Now it is 0.016 fL, let see what will happen after 2100 hours or so. The LG 50PK550 had 0.0132 fL, from the Chad B. review.



Anyone else find it weird that Cnet doesn't even have Panasonic review samples yet, but smaller sites (AVforums, flatpanelshd) got a hold of them?

Maybe Panasonic holds a grudge lol.
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar Cleveland Plasma 08:48 AM 04-03-2010
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Cleveland Plasma

Chris, just curious why the PK550 and PK750 are the same price.

Not sure, lol. Good deal on the 750, not so good on the 550.
barrist's Avatar barrist 08:49 AM 04-03-2010
Is Chad coming in to see the 750 soon, or possibly even the 950 if it hits soon?
Tom Pich's Avatar Tom Pich 09:32 AM 04-03-2010
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Is Chad coming in to see the 750 soon, or possibly even the 950 if it hits soon?

Chris told me that Chad should be in on the 6th. (He's calibrating my 60pk750 prior to shipping) So I would assume he should be able to complete his pk750 review shortly there after.
barrist's Avatar barrist 11:59 AM 04-03-2010
saw the 50pk750 today in store, looked pretty good. same amount of glare as the 550 beside it but shouldn't be too big of a problem in my room.

very nice design, super thin.


saw a 42g25 as well. for some reason it looked... gray. i guess that's the AR filter
fastrandstrongr1's Avatar fastrandstrongr1 01:31 PM 04-03-2010
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I can't say that the black levels on the LG look much better than on the V10. I can honestly say that it is probably not worth the upgrade. I wish that the picture on the PK750 was a little brighter.

okay, thanks! guess i'll just hold off for now, wait until some more people get it and the price comes down. probably better for my wallet anyway. if you have any more interesting tidbits to share between the two models, you should definitely let us know!
shaddix's Avatar shaddix 10:11 PM 04-03-2010
I will be in the PK750 club starting monday !!!!

And then Chad's review will determine if I keep the damn thing!

If it can't be calibrated like the 550, then I will swap it for the 550. If the 750 has that undefeatable edge enhancement that AVforums mentioned in their review of the 950, then I will swap it for the 550. If the input lag is greater than what I tested on my 550, then I'll send it back!!

You know what, I think rock band 2 calibration is a more accurate test than photographs lol. It always told me 64-65ms on the 550, while photos told me between 40 and 90 depending on the input.

I am also hoping the 750 can stream 1080p/24 over network X_X;
halokilla77's Avatar halokilla77 10:26 PM 04-03-2010
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I will be in the PK750 club starting monday !!!!

And then Chad's review will determine if I keep the damn thing!

If it can't be calibrated like the 550, then I will swap it for the 550. If the 750 has that undefeatable edge enhancement that AVforums mentioned in their review of the 950, then I will swap it for the 550. If the input lag is greater than what I tested on my 550, then I'll send it back!!

You know what, I think rock band 2 calibration is a more accurate test than photographs lol. It always told me 64-65ms on the 550, while photos told me between 40 and 90 depending on the input.

I am also hoping the 750 can stream 1080p/24 over network X_X;

looking forward to your thoughts on it shaddix. I found out today that my local hhgregg has the 60PK750 in stock, but I won't be able to check them in person until Monday.
Keynote's Avatar Keynote 12:10 AM 04-04-2010
Does anyone know if the LG pk750 can receive software updates via online or usb stick? Does LG provide software updates on a routine basis like Samsung? I don't see anything in the menu.
shaddix's Avatar shaddix 12:15 AM 04-04-2010
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Does anyone know if the LG pk750 can receive software updates via online or usb stick? Does LG provide software updates on a routine basis like Samsung? I don't see anything in the menu.

LG tvs can receive updates over network. I have no idea how often they do it.
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We still have the LG 47LH50 on hand, so we fired it up and were immediately asked to update the firmware. After a short wait, we rebooted the TV and the Vudu icon was available.


Mauri's Avatar Mauri 12:39 AM 04-04-2010
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Does anyone know if the LG pk750 can receive software updates via online or usb stick? Does LG provide software updates on a routine basis like Samsung? I don't see anything in the menu.

Yes, on both ways. So it is written in the italian version of the PDF user manual I have downloaded from an LG E.U. web site. You should check on the U.S. PDF user manual.

Even on my old PG6000 (2008 year) it is possible to update the software by using the USB port and a normal pendrive (FAT32 formatted with windows). It takes less than 2 minutes and it was very easy... I have done it a couple of times the past year. On these new models you can also do that thing by connecting the TV to internet (at least here in the E.U.).. look at the user manual for detailed instructions.
Mauri's Avatar Mauri 12:55 AM 04-04-2010
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If it can't be calibrated like the 550, then I will swap it for the 550. If the 750 has that undefeatable edge enhancement that AVforums mentioned in their review of the 950, then I will swap it for the 550.

shaddix,
i hope you will do accurate tests about that thing. That's the only thing I'm interesting for the moment, and I would like to get it sorted.

Did you read the answer David M. gave me about that thing some days ago, on the PK990 review's thread? My nick is Althotas on avf.


ps. they have not done a very good review about the PK990, and the final scores are not right, IMO. To me it looks like they are pro-pana this year... they don't want to admit the pana rising black, and other things. No disclamer on the pana reviews about that. Too strange.
stanga's Avatar stanga 02:02 AM 04-04-2010
Mauri - you say the review was 'not right' yet are unable, here or anywhere else, to tell us why.

So, in terms of:

1) Image Retention

2) 'Always on' edge enhancement

3) Reflections in the glass

where did AVF get it wrong? As for them being biased to Panasonic, I don't see how. Given that LG actually sponsor the AVF site, it is good that they could be critical. You yourself had your queries in this direction quite categorically answered by a member of their staff.

I also think you only say this because they weren't impressed with the top of the range LG plasma, with which you have some vested interest - and I see you own an LG.
gihad's Avatar gihad 07:57 AM 04-04-2010
Does this model also have a lot of Horizontal Line Bleeding like the PK550 ?

And what about aliasing (edge flickering) while playing games ? The PK550 is horrible at that, is it the same for the 750 ?
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar Cleveland Plasma 09:30 AM 04-04-2010
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Chris told me that Chad should be in on the 6th. (He's calibrating my 60pk750 prior to shipping)

Everything is still on target
Tom Pich's Avatar Tom Pich 10:39 AM 04-04-2010
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Everything is still on target

Thanks for the update Chris.
Mauri's Avatar Mauri 11:33 AM 04-04-2010
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Mauri - you say the review was 'not right' yet are unable, here or anywhere else, to tell us why.

Unable? I'm able, don't worry, but I'm not in a hurry .

If it has taken some days to get an answer to 1 question (even 40 days, the past year) from David, I wonder what would have been happened in case of 4-5 questions in one time

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So, in terms of:

1) Image Retention

2) 'Always on' edge enhancement

3) Reflections in the glass

where did AVF get it wrong?

They were not wrong on those things, but it depends how big you want to show them.

1. Image retention: I know it very well, and not only on my 2008 LG but also on some panasonic from 2008 and 2009 years, of a couple of my friends. Can't speak about these new models, because I have not saw them (not available in my country, actually), but if they are at least like the 2009 models, that amount of IR is really not a problem to me. From reviews it looks like the 2010 panasonic have only a bit of IR and that, of course, it is a good thing, but I would like to see them after 1.000-2.000 hours of use, cause I have read many times on different forum (italians included) that when the MML is rising, IR is doing the same.

2. That's the only thing I would like to check by myself. It could be a software bug that could be fixed, if that thing is really present on all models of all countries. But there is different ways to tell that thing, and David has used strong worlds. Strange that, if it was so terrible, that thing was not reported in that way on the other reviews.

David was very clear in pointing out every little problem in the LG last year too, but I have not seen the same treatment on the G20 he has reviewed. On the 50PS7000 I still remember how he was pointing out a small bug about the 20 points Grey Scale adjust available on that model, as an alternative to the standard 2 points (included). That's only 1 example, but I have more.

On the 50PK990 review some useful features were not mentioned while, on the G20, some other were pointing out in a way that I found a bit too much, like the PVR function, for example, that, by reading the G20 owner's comments on the italian forum, it seems it is not so useful because of some limitations.

Too much excited of panasonic plasma, and too much critic about the LGs. That's what I see, and I'm not alone on that. I still have to see something REAL about all that words people are spending on some forums from more than 1 year, about what these 2009 (before) and 2010 (now) panasonic plasma have got from what panasonic has bought from Pioneer. Just speculations, no 1 real fact. Until panasonic will continue to use their V-Real video-processing I wonder how people can get so excited. After 4 years of in-house development, even on these 2010 model they were not able to do a good deinterlacing: 3:2 and 2:2 cadence failed on all resolution, and that thing is much more "devasting" than a bit of retention, or a bit more of MLL (during the first 1.000 hours of use). Same thing about color banding and green ghosting, both still present after so many years, but not a real shame for someone.

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I also think you only say this because they weren't impressed with the top of the range LG plasma, with which you have some vested interest - and I see you own an LG.

I have explained it here above.

Yes, I own an LG, an I know it very well. That's the reason why I don't find some words were the right ones to use on that review. I think I'm less biassed than many other people, not only because I have always bought what I thought it was better for me, but also because, in the case of LG, that is the only product I own of that brand, and I have tons of electronic stuff of all kinds.

I'm in the market for a big display, 58"-60" inch, and if I'll not find that those new LG will be perfect about video-processing (I don't give it a toss about IR and reflections) I'll not buy another LG. But panasonic plasma are the last ones on my list, for many different technical things. I own many panasonic products from many years, but I never got excited by their plasma display.
drewp29's Avatar drewp29 09:38 AM 04-05-2010
So just a quick update -

I got the TV on Saturday, well, it was delivered to my parent's house because I thought it would come during the week and I am not home during the day (some of us have to work ). So my parents brought it to my house on Sunday and I hooked it up and set up the surround sound (Onkyo 6200 HTIB). Played a little bit with the color settings, but not much since I didn't have much time due to the whole Easter Sunday events.

That being said, the girlfriend and I watched Terminator Salvation last night and my first impressions are "WOW"! The THX mode delivers noticeably better colors than any other setting, but still seems a small amount off. But, the images are spectacular, very smooth, no indication of phosphor trailing, and blacks are amazing! Had the black bars on the top and bottom throughout the entire movie (going to play some full screen stuff from here to 150+ hours but I had to see the first impression in all HD glory) and there was NO IR in the picture after a 2 hour movie! I expected the top and bottom to have some lines where the edge of the movie truncated, but there was none whatsoever. The only image retention I experienced was when I first turned the set on there was a faint outline of the menu box which disappeared with in seconds. Even after having menus up and using the PC with icons on the screen for 10 or so minutes at a time there was no IR present.

I even played a small amount of Bioshock and I did not notice any lag, even when the TV was set to Expert mode instead of Game. Overall first impression is LG has a winner with the 750s. I will do some calibration tonight and let you know how it goes. This set is truly amazing!
halokilla77's Avatar halokilla77 10:30 AM 04-05-2010
that's awesome drewp29, I'm going to go check out the 750 on my lunch break shortly.
x-brit's Avatar x-brit 04:00 PM 04-05-2010
good to hear also drewp29, 60pk750 should be here wed aft, great sale at Future Shop yesterday here in Canada.
was thinking of getting 58in c550 samsung but after good review of LG 550 from CP
and the great sale price I couldnt resist.
shaddix's Avatar shaddix 06:12 PM 04-05-2010
Pk750 on the back of the truck as I type on my bb.(No I'm not driving lol). Hhgregg opened it up for me before I bought it and no dead pixels!!!!!!!!! Hallelujah!!!!
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