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Great review. Sounds like a really good set. My only concern is the glare.

Probably wouldn't be a deal breaker.

I'm really on the fence here. I can't decide between the 550 or the LCD LH90.

Chad likes both, I'm sure I would be happy either way.
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What a great review! I'm still undecided on what I want though...lol PK550, PK750, PK950 heck a few hours ago I saw a sweet deal on a PN63B550.
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Great review. Sounds like a really good set. My only concern is the glare.

Probably wouldn't be a deal breaker.

I'm really on the fence here. I can't decide between the 550 or the LCD LH90.

Chad likes both, I'm sure I would be happy either way.


For me, I knew plasmas had glare. That was a "con"..BUT the glass panel always made the tv look more sexy. Like some laptops that have a gloss screen. Even though it's got glare, the picture just looks so sexy.

For me, I had to get used to it after having all LCD's in the past. But it's something I can adjust. I'll deal with some glare while having great picture quality. I just have to adjust and compesate with room lighting. No biggie. Besides, my room is usually not that bright anyway, with only 1 window. And when i have to watch a movie, it's at night usually, so it doesnt matter.
I mean most of my tv time takes place at night anyway. So it works out.

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What a great review! I'm still undecided on what I want though...lol PK550, PK750, PK950 heck a few hours ago I saw a sweet deal on a PN63B550.

I agree that Chad B review was thorough and made for a fantastic read.

However, what the review doesn't talk about are the phosphor trail and the image retention (esp, very important for gaming).

Good news is that the LG is better than the Panny G20/25 when it comes to phosphor trailing.

Bad news is that it still suffers from more than average image retention.

As you know, I am paraphrasing the review from FlatpanelsHD.com

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Hey Chad... Great review! Just bought my pk550 today and it ships here Friday. Any chance you could share some of the settings for this set with us? Would be greatly appreciated since I live in Northern Canada and the pros up here probably can't get past putting batteries in the remote without instructions!

I was also told that this set did come with THX modes. Is this perhaps a Canadian thing or was that just the guy on the phone blowing smoke up my a$$
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Already took advantage of the abt free bluray player deal and ordered the 550, but your review definitely makes me more comfortable with my decision. I also wanted to mention that the pdf attachments show the model as panasonic g25, not the LG. Don't know if it matters, but figured I'd bring it to you attention.
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Recently I had the opportunity to calibrate and evaluate the new LG 50PK550 plasma at Cleveland Plasma.

The PK550 is very slim, and that combined with the narrow border give it a sleek, modern appearance. The screen, though highly reflective, seemed to stay fairly dark under high lighting conditions.

Though the PK550 lacks the THX mode of some of LG's other models, the ISF Expert modes offer a good mode to build upon. There are two ISF picture memories available, and they can be tuned to have a separate day and night mode for each input. In addition, they can be locked if you decide to get the unit professionally calibrated and want to make sure nobody makes unwelcome changes to your settings. Even before calibration (attachment 1), the results in ISF mode were closer to accurate than I normally see. However, the negative red in the absolute luminance graph and skewed magenta seen on the CIE graph suggests the uncalibrated ISF preset will have a similar color tone to the THX modes of early production Panasonic V10 and G10 plasmas, before their THX mode was fixed. These measured errors lead to a yellowish antique cast and can rob skin tones of their natural color and ruddiness. The PK550 often automatically dims the black level when it senses a few seconds of no picture content.

Fortunately, the PK550 has one of the best, most extensive advanced calibration menus available. Some of the nice touches include color isolation controls, which allow more accurate color adjustments than the filters included with test DVDs, a partial CMS adjustment, and the choice of either a conventional 2 point or a 20 point white balance and gamma adjustment.

The 20 point adjustment is very detailed, but is extremely difficult even for a seasoned calibrator to work with. For instance, the brightness of the menu changes the reading slightly, and some pattern generators and test DVDs do not have the required 5% small window patterns. Also, the PK550's non defeatable burn in protection dims the output if the image size stays the same for too long (no matter if the pattern's brightness is changed), meaning you must change the size of the test pattern frequently and then go back to the windows you are working with. Though I was thankful to have it, the 20 point adjustment is a great example of too much of a good thing.

After much more work than required on an average plasma, the results were outstanding! The PK550's CMS adjustment, even though it was not as thorough as that on some other brands, allowed the colors to be extremely accurate. The higher measured error of the blue primary is not subjectively important in my experience. Light output with a small 100% white window measured 50 fL, and the pre-dimmed black level measured around .0132 fL. ASI contrast measured a very good 2000:1. Contrast measurements were performed with my profiled Milori Trichromat-1 meter, which is very stable and consistent with dark measurements. The light output and contrast measurements are both significantly improved over those of the LG 60PS60 plasma I reviewed last year, and mean the PK550's picture should have excellent pop and impact. The PK550 handles RGB or YCbCr colorspace properly via the HDMI input, and resolution is strong or perfect at all HD resolutions. I could find no pumping or stability problems.

After calibration, I turned off the lights and put in some very familiar 1080P/24 Blu Ray demo material. The first scene I looked at was the DVE HD basics test disc restaurant scene. I noticed right away that the pans were handled very well; they were noticeably smoother than on most other plasmas, with no judder, but not to the point of the dreaded soap opera look that plagues many LCDs. The panning and motion reminded me of the 96Hz mode on a Panasonic V10, which is a strong compliment. As the carrots and food appeared, I couldn't help but notice the colors; simultaneous vibrancy and naturalness is a rare combination, but the PK550 pulled it off in abundance. Shadow detail was superb; dark images were not washed out, but neither were dark images sunk down into a black blob. Thanks to the long hours spent fine tuning the 20 point adjustment, very dark images were properly neutral in color tone and were shown in the perfect balance between being easy to see and being dark/contrasty. The image had a strong sense of depth and dimensionality. The flesh tones were surprisingly rich but also quite natural; people didn't look sickly or too sunburnt. I expected very good pop and vibrancy due to the good measured light output, contrast, and gamma; and the PK550 even exceeded my high expectations in that regard by a bit. While still behind that of the best local dimming LCDs or the discontinued Pioneer Elite Kuros, I can't imagine the PK550 disappointing any level headed videophile in that regard.

There was a Panasonic 50G25 I had just calibrated sitting right next to the PK550. I just couldn't let the opportunity for a comparison slip by.

The thing that jumped out at me first is that the PK550 picks up much more glare than the G25. The G25 is probably the best plasma I have ever seen in that regard. With both sets turned off, the PK550's screen might have been a tiny bit darker with the lights on; but the reflections were much more distracting. The slim PK550 seems to run hotter than the thicker G25, which seems to produce surprisingly little heat. With both sets on but with a black 0% input, the G25 subjectively has slightly darker blacks, and it's blacks were more neutral in color than the PK550's slightly greenish glow. The PK550 seemed to be more susceptible to image retention than the G25.

The PK550 has much smoother pans; the G25's 48Hz mode has too much flicker in my opinion, so I never use it. That gave the PK550 the advantage in handling 1080P/24 Blu Ray motion. The PK550 had bolder colors than the G25, and had a harder edged look with more pop. The G25 looked less contrasty and a bit on the washed out side of neutral in comparison. The G25 had more visible shadow detail, but it was a bit too visible to be truly accurate. The G25 had a slightly greener tinge and paler look to fleshtones. If you are the type of videophile who routinely turns down the color saturation to make various sources more palatable, then the G25's presentation would appeal more to you. On the other hand, lovers of rich and vibrant color tones would be more attracted to the PK550's picture.

Because of the G25's highly visible shadow detail, slightly higher light output capability, and superb resistance to reflections, I feel it would be an excellent choice for a brighter room. However, the PK550 has a more exciting and accurate image and would be a superb choice for a more light controlled environment.

While making this comparison, I was struck (and a little dismayed) by how much my impressions paralleled what I saw when I compared the Panasonic G25 to the Panasonic S2, but in this case the G25's role was reversed because of the characteristics of the set it was compared to.

I am very impressed with the overall accuracy and superb picture quality of the PK550. It shows a significant step up in performance from last year's PS60, and in my opinion it even merits a good portion of the giant-slayer status that I give LG's bang for the buck leading LH90.

just for clarification regarding the dimming that was mentioned during no picture info...does this happen during dark scenes also or is it only when there is no input detected?

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just for clarification regarding the dimming that was mentioned during no picture info...does this happen during dark scenes also or is it only when there is no input detected?

Only when there is no input detected.
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Only when there is no input detected.

wow thanks for the fast reply lol i think i'm sold on this tv...almost, still holding out for the 750 review to show up or a great deal on the 550 at least

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i almost bought the pk750 becuz of the way it looks. Such a sexy looking tv. But i also read that the Picture Quality is the same. It just has like netcast or something. I also was unsure about the "tru black filter" I think it was confirmed it was only on the pk950. But it's only about 200 bucks more..so if your okay with that, and I almost was, then go for it. But I wanted to save, and since what i read, the picture quality was the same, it didnt seem reasonable to get the 750 just to have netcast or something.

It is in the Infinia lineup..
slimmer panel. But the 550 was slim enough. Compared to my lcd, i was blown away. Plus, what i thought was really nice was that plasmas, at least the pkseries and the panny s2, have metal backings. Most lcds, like my regza was plastic, i felt it was ...gonna break if i put too much pressure or was gonna crack while hanging on the wall. It didnt, but..the aluminum back on the pk made me smile.

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I also wanted to mention that the pdf attachments show the model as panasonic g25, not the LG. Don't know if it matters, but figured I'd bring it to you attention.

Thanks for pointing that out. I double checked, they are for the LG. I still had CalMAN up and running from calibrating the G25 and I never closed out that session.
Thankfully it means nothing.
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I agree that Chad B review was thorough and made for a fantastic read.

However, what the review doesn't talk about are the phosphor trail and the image retention (esp, very important for gaming).

Good news is that the LG is better than the Panny G20/25 when it comes to phosphor trailing.

Bad news is that it still suffers from more than average image retention.

As you know, I am paraphrasing the review from FlatpanelsHD.com

And I game a lot too, man oh man...
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Great review by Chad! I have to say I picked the the 60Pk550 up last night and it is an great set, I got a smoking deal on it and could not pass it up. If your on the fence this one in my unprofessional opinion was better than the G25 I was debating over and is one sweet looking Plasma.
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Did Chad see the 750? Any comment on any differences?
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He did, the PK750 unit had some anomalies in the menu system for adjustments. The PK550 was not like this, so we want to test another PK750 before we release the review. That will be 2-3 weeks.

PK750 has

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He did, the PK750 unit had some anomalies in the menu system for adjustments. The PK550 was not like this, so we want to test another PK750 before we release the review. That will be 2-3 weeks.

PK750 has

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Anomalies? So you guys thought that particular unit was defective?
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Chad... Thanks for the great review. I know a lot of people kept buggin' ya for the review, but I'd rather you spent the time getting it right. It does seem that the 20 point IRE made it more complicated, which can be good or bad, but it does seem nice that you can really dial in the settings.
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He did, the PK750 unit had some anomalies in the menu system for adjustments. The PK550 was not like this, so we want to test another PK750 before we release the review. That will be 2-3 weeks.

PK750 has

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..and that's why i chose the pk550 over the 750. for the extra 200+ bucks for the same picture quality wasnt worth it. I dont care about widgets or the thx mode. To me, it's more of a bragging right. I just like the 750's panel more then the 550. But it wasnt the ultimate deciding factor for me in the end. If it had the 'tru black filter" then i would've considered it.

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Anomalies? So you guys thought that particular unit was defective?

Never said that, that is why we need to test another unit. There is nothing to comment on when one is unsure. In 2-3 weeks we will know and psot a review. Either way the set tested excellent just a matter of how excellent
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He did, the PK750 unit had some anomalies in the menu system for adjustments. The PK550 was not like this, so we want to test another PK750 before we release the review. That will be 2-3 weeks.

PK750 has

---THX mode
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oh! the pain & agony of waiting! jk

cant wait for that review to see what kinds of differences the 750 really has over the 550. its really a close one for me, i just love the way the 750 has the borderless design

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Does chad have any incite on the IR of the pk550? -Since he was calibrating it for several hours.

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The PK550 seemed to be more susceptible to image retention than the G25.

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Well, I got that. But I mean did it last long? How long did it usually take to go away usually? Things like that.

Also, did Chad do a break in period at all? Or just start watching right out of the box?

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Any chance on getting some decent setting to use with the pk550?
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Can't wait for the review from Chad on the pk950 in the future. It seems as though the dude over at flatpanelshd really wanted the g20 (he's really pushing it in the comments section)to be a better television than the pk950. I don't see how that's possible given he doesn't seem to have the measuring instruments of Chad and others on these boards.
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Well, I got that. But I mean did it last long? How long did it usually take to go away usually? Things like that.

Also, did Chad do a break in period at all? Or just start watching right out of the box?

Chad did not break in the TV, but we did as we hosted the calibration/review party

What does it matter how long image retention stays as long as it goes away? Every plasma set has image retention.
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As far as IR, my 50PS80 gets it. It used to bother me, but it has reduced over time. I just hit channel 78 for a little digital snow(works much faster than white-out mode) and i'm good to go. I love that the PK550 is testing better than my PS80, cause I frigg'n love my television. This hopefully means that the PK950 and the LED LE9500 should be twice as good as my tv and I need something bigger and better in August.
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Chad did not break in the TV, but we did as we hosted the calibration/review party

What does it matter how long image retention stays as long as it goes away? Every plasma set has image retention.

I could also careless about glare since I enjoy my television for its cinema capabilities in the dark. That's what daytime LCD's are for
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I could also careless about glare since I enjoy my television for its cinema capabilities in the dark. That's what daytime LCD's are for

+1 my tv (550 vs. 750) will be in my living room for the time being and i have blackout curtains for the windows so anytime i wanna watch tv or movies during the day, i'll just close em' up and...Instant Home Theater!

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