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Has anyone other than Chad B measured black level on the 550 series? I just find it weird that the 550 has significantly deeper blacks than the 750. Very interested in the 60" for the price but I need more confirmation that the 550 does indeed register ~.012fL.

well.....it's not the 550 but the pk950 measured .11

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I really don't want a Kuro vs *insert any other tv here* war going

but I have a 5080 kuro and it is STILL better than any other plasma that I've see now 3 years later


it developed a few pixel defects though so I don't use it as my main set. and if I had $4k I'd buy a 6020 tomorrow

unfortunately I've got a budget of ~$2k for a tv which is why I'm looking at the 50pk550

I agree with you on the 5080. When I first started looking at HD tvs, I remember looking at the wall of displays in all there're uncalibrated glory with the Pioneers standing out as having the best picture. A few days later, I purchased a 4280 (they were being closed out). It was the last one the store had. Got it home, opened the box...cracked screen. It took them a few days to locate another but during that time I had an unforeseen financial situation arise so I ended up with a LG 42PG20.

You won't be disappointed with the 550 if you decide to go that route. I am really liking mine and can't wait to calibrate it.
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I want to pick up a 50PK550, I'll be gaming quite a bit on it, what do you gamers think of it?

Gorgeous for gaming. ME2 looks killer! Nice deep blacks and nice color. This input lag pple speak of, ive not noticed it during gameplay. Maybe when you start up the console about 1-3 seconds for the tv to connect with it. But nothing that is hindering during gameplay that's noticable to my trained eye. The screen during games is constantly changing anyway- so there isnt enough time to get any IR. The only time I notice IR is during the dashboard on the xbox or ps3. But as long as you do a simple-short color wash after each session, your good to go!

I've been playing Halo: Reach and it looks great. Although Bungie is experimenting with Motion Blur. It's a bit overdone. I thought it was my tv; however after doing some research, everyone's complaining about it. So that was a relief to hear. It's a game issue and NOT the tv.

I've had the TV for a month and i have no issues what so ever. Woot! I enjoy the tv more and more. I wish i would have gotten the 60" though!

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bortch does the TV have a dedicated game mode?
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maybe in the service menu? there isn't one in the normal menus.

I never noticed how big of problem 2:3 pulldown is until I watched this BSG with proper 24p.


didn't find it yet... but as there is an option to RESET the time used, there has to be a option to display it, I think

will keep on looking
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bortch does the TV have a dedicated game mode?


It has, but I won't use it, as I don't like the colors.
The Euro Version has a THX scheme, which gives splendid colors for my untrained I, I use it for everything without problems.

But I'm not the ego-shooter or tekken-like gamer... Final Fantasy and GodOfWar play beautifully on it

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people have to realize that panasonic lg and other plasma brands if they try to make a kuro like tv they would have to spend a lot of money to make it and they will sell it vey pricey and this can cause the end of plasma.they are trying to competed with lcd but not to the point to make a tv extremly over pricey.because even the panasonic with the raise on black levels lcd or led is not going to out perfom plasma in black levels.
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does anybody know what the AD button does thats on the bottom of the remote.
i have a euro 50pk550
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does anybody know what the AD button does thats on the bottom of the remote.
i have a euro 50pk550

Manual says "speech recognition", but I got no idea how it works, and which models support that feature
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Some of you folks are confused. Let's set the record straight.

The 9G Kuros have consistently measured around ~0.001 fL. It is tough to get accurate measurements at or below 0.001 fL. If the LG measurement is around 0.012 - 0.014, then the 9G Kuro measures at least 12-14 times deeper blacks, not this 1.5 - 4x number that some people are carelessly throwing out. I say at least, because the actual figure might be below 0.001, but there is a slight variation depending on the model, the panel, and the meters.

Furthermore, the PK550 costs significantly more than 30% of what a 50 inch 9G Kuro costs, nor is it "88% as good".

Perhaps the PK550 represents a good value, for some, but people need to come back to reality and realize that it is not in the same league as the 9G Kuros.


Measuring below 0.05 fL is anyhow a tricky business and you need expensive laboratory equipment to do it accurately.
I have a twoandhalf year old Kuro PDP-428XD uphere which measures the same as my new 50pk550 with a Sekonic L-758 Cine Digitalmaster, ie. around 0.015.
I admit this is at the edge of this meter and so not accurate. But it gives an indication and visually the sreens perform the same on blacks. LG is of course the resolution winner.

As Pioneer used Sharp panels in those days, I wonder why Sharps products did not display likewise blacklevels. For excellent video I consider good linearity over the total luminance range more important than a spot level measurement. That why I choose then for Pioneer and now for the new LG.
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after reading through the post here i pulled the trigger on a pk550 at hhgreg will be bringing it home thursday to hook up and complete my HT build.will let y'all know if there is any pixel or buzzing problems.cant wait to hook it up and break it in.
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Furthermore, the PK550 costs significantly more than 30% of what a 50 inch 9G Kuro costs, nor is it "88% as good".

I wonder if this refers to one of my above posts on Chad B's TV rankings (qv).

I was analyzing Chad B's published opinion, not offering my own. But if there's any "confusion" involved it is surely Documaker's.

Comparing overall scores. 43 (LG PK550) is 87.7755ish % of 49 (9G Elite Kuro). That's about 88%.

These overall scores represent "how good" the TV is in Chad B's opinion. Surely that's uncontroversial.

So in Chad B's opinion, the PK550 is about 88% as good as the Kuro.

Is that so hard to follow?

As for whether the PK550 is "in the same league" as the Kuro, who knows what the heck that means. Perhaps to be "in the same league" as the Kuro in Chad B's opinion, a TV has to be 95% as good? 96%? Who's to say? More to the point, who would assert such a thing and who cares? Not me.

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bortch does the TV have a dedicated game mode?

i dont think its really a dedicated game mode, just a picture setting it seems. the colors do look different so it may disable some processing, tho its really not noticable (to me) in terms of lag reduction.

@ the poster asking about games on this tv: i've played uncharted 2, the 2 newest ratchet and clank games, assassins creed, and a few demos also, (gow3/call of duty waw) all play fine to me when i press fire its basically instantaneous (once again, imo) but i'm not really a hardcore gamer and i'm coming from a 25" crt so thats saying something good about this set in terms of lag.

*edit* i'm still within the breakin period and have kept gaming sessions under two hours. like previous posters have mentioned, any ir i experienced was cleared away within a few minutes using the color wash feature. i use it periodically during the sessions and all is well

you may notice lag if your a hardcore fps junkie lol happy hunting!

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people have to realize that panasonic lg and other plasma brands if they try to make a kuro like tv they would have to spend a lot of money to make it and they will sell it vey pricey and this can cause the end of plasma.they are trying to competed with lcd but not to the point to make a tv extremly over pricey.because even the panasonic with the raise on black levels lcd or led is not going to out perfom plasma in black levels.

or maybe they are just trying to milk ppl out more money even though panasonic or whoever may have the technology to produce deep blacks at today's prices. Look at samsung, what i have seen on most of them in this forum is that their black levels are worse than 2009's black levels. Maybe that tells me the focus on 3D is really high, or maybe they know most consumers aren't all that interested in black levels. People in this forum and everywhere else are still buying them. If we want deep blacks, lets all make a promise not to buy plasma's for six months (we all must be synchronized on this one).

you have people like me, who just want something that will be much better than what he had before (an LCD, Toshiba 40XV645U with glorious amounts of flashlighting that put a person on the screen always in the spotlight--> very annoying).

i am patiently waiting to pick up a 50pk550
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you right doc kuro is a good set if you like paying excessive price for things or getting screwed out of your money ps the price i paid for my 50pk550 is more like 5 times cheaper than kuro well you kuro fans are in a league the league of getting suckered out of your money league lol ps the pk550 is brigther than the kuro not sure about the darkness of the black have seen both and both have great pic so why argue the tvs just admit they not worth the price of them lol

i wound up paying for a new 60" kuro... and it cost me the same as what the 60pk950 is selling for. are you saying that everyone who buys a pk950 will be a sucker too? i realize that you are happy with your tv... but jeez, pump the brakes a bit. a 50" elite has been going for 2x a 50pk550 if you live in the right area and 3x in all other parts of the country. certainly not this 5x number you are throwing around.

you're not sure of the darkness on a kuro? you must not be much of a videophile, that much is sure. all you have to do is look at the ANSI for the LG pk series compared to a XX20FD and you'll realize the difference between the sets - ~2,000 vs. ~14,600. effectively 7x the performance for the same cost when comparing the 950 to the xx20fd.

the LG 2010 plasmas are great sets, but let's not get carried away with brash claims and resort to name calling.

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i wound up paying for a new 60" kuro... and it cost me the same as what the 60pk950 is selling for. .

Lucky you ... I guess in the US there are more Kuros kicking around. Cheapest price I could find in Canada for the 6020 was $3699 (Cdn) and that was from a dodgy retailer so I said Pass. $4000 was more typical. I'd prob. have been willing to pay up to $3000 though not without hesitation.

Wonder what next year's Panasonic 65VT35 will be going for, prob. $4099 (msrp) or thereabouts.

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Manual says "speech recognition", but I got no idea how it works, and which models support that feature


AD Switches the Audio Description On or Off.
found it in the english manual.still not sure what it excactly does
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Lucky you ... I guess in the US there are more Kuros kicking around. Cheapest price I could find in Canada for the 6020 was $3699 (Cdn) and that was from a dodgy retailer so I said Pass. $4000 was more typical. I'd prob. have been willing to pay up to $3000 though not without hesitation.

Wonder what next year's Panasonic 65VT35 will be going for, prob. $4099 (msrp) or thereabouts.

i would have bought an LG if i didn't find a kuro. just got lucky, as you said. here in TX there are still a bunch of pio's floating around at best buy.

i think panasonic is allowing themselves too long a leash on their msrp's...

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Lucky you ... I guess in the US there are more Kuros kicking around. Cheapest price I could find in Canada for the 6020 was $3699 (Cdn) and that was from a dodgy retailer so I said Pass. $4000 was more typical. I'd prob. have been willing to pay up to $3000 though not without hesitation.

Wonder what next year's Panasonic 65VT35 will be going for, prob. $4099 (msrp) or thereabouts.

if you're in ontario 2001 Audio Video sells the 6020 for $3700 too(they have it listed at $4k but the guy said they can easily do $3700)
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i wound up paying for a new 60" kuro... and it cost me the same as what the 60pk950 is selling for. are you saying that everyone who buys a pk950 will be a sucker too? i realize that you are happy with your tv... but jeez, pump the brakes a bit. a 50" elite has been going for 2x a 50pk550 if you live in the right area and 3x in all other parts of the country. certainly not this 5x number you are throwing around.

you're not sure of the darkness on a kuro? you must not be much of a videophile, that much is sure. all you have to do is look at the ANSI for the LG pk series compared to a XX20FD and you'll realize the difference between the sets - ~2,000 vs. ~14,600. effectively 7x the performance for the same cost when comparing the 950 to the xx20fd.

the LG 2010 plasmas are great sets, but let's not get carried away with brash claims and resort to name calling.

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read what i said I said 5x what I paid for 50pk550 which I got for 756 from sears because I had a lot of discounts and had a 20 percent off coupon from my bank wasnt putting down either set. if you want to talk about kuro go to the proper thread this thread is 60/50pk550 thread I see this in every thread on certain tv people start posting about kuros granted they are good tvs but why argue about how good they are on every thread about different tvs
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PS3 happens to almost the same as the kuro but survived When the PS3 originally debuted in 2006, early estimates put the manufacturing cost per unit at around $805 per console, which lost Sony between $225 and $305 per unit sold. It isn’t uncommon for consoles to sell at a loss as manufacturers make up the difference through game prices and additional components like controllers, while waiting for the component pricing to inevitably drop, but the costs were higher than anticipated. By comparison, the Xbox 360, which sold at a loss of around $100 per unit when it debuted, quickly began to see a profit of $75per console within a year and a half of the its release.

In February, the Wall Street Journal broke down Sony’s fiscal reports for the third quarter and found that the Playstation 3 was still losing about $18 per unit..

Pioneer may have the best tech, but people aren't going to buy at an exorbitant price. ESPECIALLY in this economy. OK, put a $1000 premium on those deepest blacks, but they were asking three times as much as a Panasonic or Samsung for the same size. They could have cleaned up if they wanted to, but they wanted to be perceived as the primo-top-of-the-line manufacturer of plasmas by going for the Marantz and McIntosh crowd and look where that got them. Sad

that's why Technologies has to go hand in hand with the consumers.
sad case that kuro did not survive for not lowering prices.
There are millions of consumers who are not interested in black levels. only in the price.
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I'm really impressed with all the great comments about the PK550 so far, but the only consistent drawback (if any) seems to be the glare of the screen. I'll have mine in a basement room, but it can still get pretty bright at times so I was wondering how the glares compare for the two models I'm considering:

-LK 60PK550
-Samsung 58PNC550

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences on how the glares compare for each model? Or any other comparisons between the two models for that matter? Both are about the same price range usually, so those are the 2 I'm primarily looking at.

Thanks for the help!
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Bad news. My set has devloped a buzz that is heard over the ht speakers on bright senes. I hope sears is easy to exhange with!
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Some of you folks are confused. Let's set the record straight.

The 9G Kuros have consistently measured around ~0.001 fL. It is tough to get accurate measurements at or below 0.001 fL. If the LG measurement is around 0.012 - 0.014, then the 9G Kuro measures at least 12-14 times deeper blacks, not this 1.5 - 4x number that some people are carelessly throwing out. I say at least, because the actual figure might be below 0.001, but there is a slight variation depending on the model, the panel, and the meters.

Furthermore, the PK550 costs significantly more than 30% of what a 50 inch 9G Kuro costs, nor is it "88% as good".

Perhaps the PK550 represents a good value, for some, but people need to come back to reality and realize that it is not in the same league as the 9G Kuros.

You should post some sites that measured them that low and also be sure they were using fL as the unit of measurement. ChadB rates the 550 only 3 points below the non-elite 6020 Pioneer, so it would appear that the 550 is an exceptional value for most consumers. ( near top level PQ at bargain prices )
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I'll be taking back my Panasonic 50S14 in a couple of hours and picking up an LG 50PK550. I'll be sure to post impressions in the near future.

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read what i said I said 5x what I paid for 50pk550 which I got for 756 from sears because I had a lot of discounts and had a 20 percent off coupon from my bank wasnt putting down either set. if you want to talk about kuro go to the proper thread this thread is 60/50pk550 thread I see this in every thread on certain tv people start posting about kuros granted they are good tvs but why argue about how good they are on every thread about different tvs

oh, so comparing two sets is not allowed in this forum?

im happy YOU were able to get it for 756. not everyone else is. i think a lot of people would be very happy if you could share those same discounts with them. still.... 750*5=3750!! that's a hell of a lot more than i paid.

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I'm really impressed with all the great comments about the PK550 so far, but the only consistent drawback (if any) seems to be the glare of the screen. I'll have mine in a basement room, but it can still get pretty bright at times so I was wondering how the glares compare for the two models I'm considering:

-LK 60PK550
-Samsung 58PNC550

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences on how the glares compare for each model? Or any other comparisons between the two models for that matter? Both are about the same price range usually, so those are the 2 I'm primarily looking at.

Thanks for the help!

I have the 60" in a bright room, and don't find any glare unbearable. I don't notice it if there is one. I had the 860 and the 650 and the G20, the g20 did very well, so did the 860. The 650 was good but a notch below. I love this tv out of the bunch, so far....
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ChadB rates the 550 only 3 points below the non-elite 6020 Pioneer, so it would appear that the 550 is an exceptional value for most consumers. ( near top level PQ at bargain prices )

Yes, that seems clear (not just Chad btw, German forums have confirmed those black readings).

LG just need to learn how to do a decent anti-glare coating, maybe deal with the IR a little, and fix the software on the higher end models (US 750+, European 550+). Do that, and they've got a killer product. Maybe produce an expensive top end model to compete with the vt25, get the black levels down to 0.05 or so.
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Yes, that seems clear (not just Chad btw, German forums have confirmed those black readings).

LG just need to learn how to do a decent anti-glare coating, maybe deal with the IR a little, and fix the software on the higher end models (US 750+, European 550+). Do that, and they've got a killer product. Maybe produce an expensive top end model to compete with the vt25, get the black levels down to 0.05 or so.

I am tempted to buy a 60 inch 550 and compare its performance to my 3 year old Panny 58 inch Panny 60u. The Sams Club model might be the best bet since I would have 90 days to play with it. It might blow away my Panny and then again I may think it's not much improvement..hard to tell when comparing at a store.
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I am tempted to buy a 60 inch 550 and compare its performance to my 3 year old Panny 58 inch Panny 60u. The Sams Club model might be the best bet since I would have 90 days to play with it. It might blow away my Panny and then again I may think it's not much improvement..hard to tell when comparing at a store.

I wish I had room for a 60" tv

I would have bought the 60pk550 today at costco


50" is pushing the boundaries of my space already though

I with LG had a 46pk550
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