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On the c8000, the Motion Judder Cancellation is very very obvious when enabled. It gives the soap opera effect. With it turned off, the C8000 is still incredible smooth, but with the normal, natural look. There is no custom setting. Only standard and smooth. Both are obvious.

If the c7000 has this enabled automatically it would be a huge mistake.

The set that I saw didn't have the soap opera look. Trust me I can't stand lcds because of ity
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I agree.....I think it is just like last years plasma in that cinema-smooth auto kicks in when it is fed a 24hz signal like a blu-ray. What I saw on the set last night at my bb was definitely cinema-smooth and/pr de-judder processing, because I could swear I saw interpolation of frames by the tv, the way you see it on the lcd sets with de-judder. Everybody in the movie was moving way to fluently to be 3:2 pulldown. I have a pn63b590 from last year with cinema-smooth and I can tell when it is engaged or not. I also have a un55b8000 from last year, and the pn50c7000 looked more like the led when de-judder is cranked to 8. If the 63c7000 has the same features, I will be getting it instead of the 8000

7000 doesn't have cinema smooth or motion judder canceller. If you look in the user manual for the 8000, there is a specific film mode setting for cinema smooth, not there in the 7000. 7000 uses 3:2 pull-down. Motion judder isn't there at all.
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If the 6500 ends up having cinema smooth then that would be completely weird for the 7000 not to and if they don't end up having it then that would make the c8000 the only version to have It which would make no sense whatsoever
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Now I'm worried.. I have the C7000 coming soon and I dont want to be stuck into the Soap Opera effect
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Now I'm worried.. I have the C7000 coming soon and I dont want to be stuck into the Soap Opera effect

I don't think any TV would force you to watch Soap Opera Effect. If it's there at all, there will be an option for it ON or OFF.
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Now I'm worried.. I have the C7000 coming soon and I dont want to be stuck into the Soap Opera effect

i would say dont worry about it
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I don't think any TV would force you to watch Soap Opera Effect. If it's there at all, there will be an option for it ON or OFF.

just curious what is that option usually titled when looking in the menu?

nevermind, I found it on post #31.
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7000 doesn't have cinema smooth or motion judder canceller. If you look in the user manual for the 8000, there is a specific film mode setting for cinema smooth, not there in the 7000. 7000 uses 3:2 pull-down. Motion judder isn't there at all.

Yeah, I know that the c7000's dont have either on them, I had a chance to play in the menus and search for something like that while a 24hz signal was being fed to it. I completely baffled me! But having a plasma with cinema-smooth and an edge-lit lcd, both samsung, I know what they look like, and the c7000 looked like it had de-judder engaged some how. Maybe these new panels they have are making motion look ultra-smooth, I dont know, but I was standing 5ft away and I could no detect any judder.
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Yeah, I know that the c7000's dont have either on them, I had a chance to play in the menus and search for something like that while a 24hz signal was being fed to it. I completely baffled me! But having a plasma with cinema-smooth and an edge-lit lcd, both samsung, I know what they look like, and the c7000 looked like it had de-judder engaged some how. Maybe these new panels they have are making motion look ultra-smooth, I dont know, but I was standing 5ft away and I could no detect any judder.

how do you know a 24hz signal was being fed to it? last night i talked to chris on the phone from cleveland plasma and he told me that when chad came in to test the tv he used 60hz to play 1080/24 and that the motion was pretty smooth even though it was at 60hz
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how do you know a 24hz signal was being fed to it? last night i talked to chris on the phone from cleveland plasma and he told me that when chad came in to test the tv he used 60hz to play 1080/24 and that the motion was pretty smooth even though it was at 60hz

The remote was attached to the tv and I pushed the info button. It said 1080p @ 24hz. I also made sure it was being played by the blu-ray player at 24fps.
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gotcha, i guess ill find out when i get mine lol
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You could have come over and watched. Not sure chad has to right two reviews.
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You could have come over and watched. Not sure chad has to right two reviews.

Sammy and an LG?

ANy general comments that he made about them?
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Or any thoughts you had on them?
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You could have come over and watched. Not sure chad has to right two reviews.

What were the black levels like?
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how do you know a 24hz signal was being fed to it? last night i talked to chris on the phone from cleveland plasma and he told me that when chad came in to test the tv he used 60hz to play 1080/24 and that the motion was pretty smooth even though it was at 60hz

There was a miscommunication there. I used 1080p/24. What we meant was that all of the tv's in the comparison seemed to handle 24P at 60 instead of a multiple of 24. The G25 had the 48Hz option but I don't use it because of the flicker.

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There was a miscommunication there. I used 1080p/24. What we meant was that all of the tv's in the comparison seemed to handle 24P at 60 instead of a multiple of 24. The G25 had the 48Hz option but I don't use it because of the flicker.

Hey Chad, not to rush you or anything but anyword on the C7000? Thoughts, ideas, issues, etc, etc??

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There was a miscommunication there. I used 1080p/24. What we meant was that all of the tv's in the comparison seemed to handle 24P at 60 instead of a multiple of 24. The G25 had the 48Hz option but I don't use it because of the flicker.

oh gotcha, so how does the c7000 handle 1080p/24, does it handle it smoothly or do you notice any type of judder or anything
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From what I saw there was very slight jutter that most would never catch.

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What were the black levels like?

They where good, but the panasonic and LG where a little better. We actually had a 60PK750, TC-P42G25, and PN50C7000 all in a row. I can firmly say, I am sure chad would agree, the PN50C7000 was the best 3D TV, lol.
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i was thinking about the 750 but when i saw it at the store the screen was a complete mirror while the c7000 was the complete opposite, also i notice a lot more judder on the 750 than the c7000 but that was probably just the feed plus apparently the 550 and 750 have a lot more input lag according to the people from this forum that got them
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the pn50c7000 was the best 3d tv, lol.


I agree: both the PK550 and the G25 are the bad 3D tv
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I agree: both the PK550 and the G25 are the bad 3D tv

Yep, chad and I had our Samsung glasses on and trying to watch 3D on the G25 and PK750 with "0" luck, lol. ( Just kidding as we know these are not 3D Tv's. )

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Yep, chad and I had our Samsung glasses on and trying to watch 3D on the G25 and PK750 with "0" luck, lol.

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They are all excellent sets guys, Samsung, LG, or Panasonic Plasma's rock. Just a matter or what a person wants.

Which one comes closest to matching a 9g Kuro on overall performance? Still kicking myself for not buying a 60 inch when they were available and reasonable!
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Yep, chad and I had our Samsung glasses on and trying to watch 3D on the G25 and PK750 with "0" luck, lol. ( Just kidding as we know these are not 3D Tv's. )

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They are all excellent sets guys, Samsung, LG, or Panasonic Plasma's rock. Just a matter or what a person wants.

they all have their pros and cons, thats definitely for sure, i went with the c7000 because i felt it had the least cons
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They where good, but the panasonic and LG where a little better. We actually had a 60PK750, TC-P42G25, and PN50C7000 all in a row. I can firmly say, I am sure chad would agree, the PN50C7000 was the best 3D TV, lol.

With the black level rise on the G25, I wonder how long that will last? I'm very interested in the measurements he took. How would you compare the 3D to the LED sets? I'm hoping it looked better with less ghosting.
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what were the black levels like?

lg where a little better.

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They where good, but the panasonic and LG where a little better. We actually had a 60PK750, TC-P42G25, and PN50C7000 all in a row. I can firmly say, I am sure chad would agree, the PN50C7000 was the best 3D TV, lol.

Sorry for the off-topic, but does the 60 inch LG have better blacks than 50PK550?
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