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post #6391 of 7937 Old 01-21-2011, 11:28 PM
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So I had an old 56" Samsung DLP that had a lot of problems. Luckily, Samsung ECR is letting me replace it.

My options are:
LN55C630 for $0
PN58C6500 for $500

So I can have a slightly smaller LCD for free, or a slightly bigger Plasma (with more features) for $500.

I don't want a maintenance nightmare like my DLP, so I'm wary of the buzzing on the Plasma. I also already have a PS3 with Netflix, so not sure if I need the apps on the 6500.

On the other hand, I mostly use my TV for gaming, and I've heard that Plasma is better for gaming.

Any comments or opinions on what I should go for?

Stick with the free. The only reason I'd consider the plasma in the choice is size. If it were me. I'd get the LCD and spend the possible 500 on other things.
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Want to say I am loving my new TV.

The only thing I have noticed though, is when running the break in slides there seems to be some uniformity issues when displaying the lighter colored slides white, light grey, light blue, etc... There is what I could only descibe as almost a subtle plaid pattern to it. There are horizontal bands that run across the entire width of the screen (some maybe 5" tall) that are a little darker, and then the same thing vertically but they are much thinner bands.

I don't see anything when viewing normal programming. The white slides look almost 'dirty' because of variations.

It is brand new and I haven't calibrated yet. I am sure once the grey scale is adjusted properly it will certainly look better, but not sure that will alleviate this very uniform lack of uniformity. Is this a plasma thing, or is this a potential issue with my panel. Has anyone else noticed anything similar?

I am using the 120 slides from the link below. I don't think it is an issue with the slides.
I've been through two PN63C7000s and they both exhibited uniformity problems on all-white and light-colored content. Both sets had horizontal banding with varying shades of gray. However, my second TV is noticeably worse than the first, largely due to a bright band along the top edge that I can clearly see during light scenes.

Does anyone else have uniformity problems on all-white or light-colored content?

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Does anyone else have uniformity problems on all-white or light-colored content?
Horizontal lines is quite common. Have seen some comments about those specially in 50" models, i have them too.

Newer seen post about your kind of top band. I think its time for you to exchange again.
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Why does it matter if you only see this when it's all white. Jesus. Only at AVS would you use content you never use to define or find problems with a set.
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Why does it matter if you only see this when it's all white. Jesus. Only at AVS would you use content you never use to define or find problems with a set.

LOL,,,totally agree
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LOL,,,totally agree

Same here. That's one reason I never ran the break-in slides. Besides wasting all those hours of TV operating time, I think they mess with your mind.

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Why does it matter if you only see this when it's all white. Jesus. Only at AVS would you use content you never use to define or find problems with a set.

Please allow me to clarify what I meant by "all-white and light-colored content" and "light scenes". I can see the bright band at the top regardless of source as long as the scene is lighter than about 50% grey and somewhat uniform. That means virtually any daytime sky, snow, ice, light walls, etc..

I gather from the responses so far that most do not see a bright band from time-to-time while watching regular content, so mine is likely an anomaly.

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Please allow me to clarify what I meant by "all-white and light-colored content" and "light scenes". I can see the bright band at the top regardless of source as long as the scene is lighter than about 50% grey and somewhat uniform. That means virtually any daytime sky, snow, ice, light walls, etc..

I gather from the responses so far that most do not see a bright band from time-to-time while watching regular content, so mine is likely an anomaly.

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im with you peter. i exchanged this set 3 times because of that horizontal banding problem. and i tell you what. it shouldnt be noticable during lighter scenes. your not nitpicking......when i first saw those horizontal bands i was devastated. if i dont see that on any cheaper sets why the hell is it noticable on a top of the line plasma. im on my 3rd set and it was different on all 3 sets. its on all of them. on my 3rd set i broke in the plasma slowly. this is so far the least noticable banding that ive had. it is extremely frustrating i know. dont let anyone chime in and tell you different.
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im with you peter. i exchanged this set 3 times because of that horizontal banding problem. and i tell you what. it shouldnt be noticable during lighter scenes. your not nitpicking......when i first saw those horizontal bands i was devastated. if i dont see that on any cheaper sets why the hell is it noticable on a top of the line plasma. im on my 3rd set and it was different on all 3 sets. its on all of them. on my 3rd set i broke in the plasma slowly. this is so far the least noticable banding that ive had. it is extremely frustrating i know. dont let anyone chime in and tell you different.

What do you mean by break in your set slowly? My set comes in next week and I want to make sure I break it in slowly.

What are some good setting to have it on for the first 100 hours? I plan on using the cnet settings after the first 100 hours. I am going to break it in with slides while I sleep and/or while I am at work.

Also if I am having a friend come over within the first 100 hours to watch a movie, can I put it on the cnet settings and then switch back after he leaves?
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What is your experience watching football on these Samsung plasmas?

I have a C7000 (with service mode to C8000 change), and football does not look terribly good. It depends on the camera and action: for example, when a player is knocked out of bounds and is jogging back to the field, the camera will often zoom in slightly on that player - and everthing in the background pixelates.

Other scenarios do the same thing to some degree. Overall, I prefer my older 60hz LCD for football. I watch both TV's with Time Warner cable directly plugged in. I have briefly tested with a cable box, and I thought it might have been better....but not 100% sure.

Any modes or settings that will significantly improve this problem? Note, MJC does not help.
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for all the people who want to get PVR, Cinema Smooth or update the model number on their Samsung Plasma PNxxC6500 , PSxxC6500, PNxxC7000, PSxxC7000, PNxxC6400, PSxxC6900, PN50C6500 , PN58C6500, PS50C6500, PS58C6500, PN50C7000, PN58C7000, PN63C7000, PS50C7000, PS58C7000, PS63C7000, PN50C6400, PN58C6400, PS50C6900

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I've been through two PN63C7000s and they both exhibited uniformity problems on all-white and light-colored content. Both sets had horizontal banding with varying shades of gray. However, my second TV is noticeably worse than the first, largely due to a bright band along the top edge that I can clearly see during light scenes.

Does anyone else have uniformity problems on all-white or light-colored content?

Ty,
Peter

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Sigh, I must confess after running the break in pictures I noticed immediately horizontal bands across my screen during the white and light grey colors. I don't know what to do. One part of me says to return it but when watching regular TV you don't notice it at all. I noticed it from the get go, I just got the 6400 on boxing day.
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Why does it matter if you only see this when it's all white. Jesus. Only at AVS would you use content you never use to define or find problems with a set.

I can live with mine but in that picture the big top line is too much in my book, so I would exhange the set.

Its not just the 'content you never use' its actually worse in winter sports (downhill for example) compared to break-in slides.
Also the horizontal lines can be seen in darker scenes in 3D mode. Its like a faint curtain in the 3D space.
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for all the people who want to get PVR, Cinema Smooth or update the model number on their Samsung Plasma PNxxC6500 , PSxxC6500, PNxxC7000, PSxxC7000, PNxxC6400, PSxxC6900, PN50C6500 , PN58C6500, PS50C6500, PS58C6500, PN50C7000, PN58C7000, PN63C7000, PS50C7000, PS58C7000, PS63C7000, PN50C6400, PN58C6400, PS50C6900

I have posted the procedure here, everyone can access a hidden menu by going into Hotel Mode

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What is PVR, and what is Hotel mode.
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What is PVR, and what is Hotel mode.

Don't know about PVR. It might be "Personal Video Recorder." As for hotel mode. It's a set up you can do to the tv that when you power the set on. It will always go to a certain input and channel on power up.
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It's funny you guys are talking about this. I bought an lx479500 from frys a week before christmas for $1099. After tax it was $1310. Then we paid another $170 for a pair of lg glasses. So we were looking at $1480.

We watched a christmas carol and despicable me and weren't that impressed. We have the tv angled at a corner of our room with a 3 person couch and a 2 person couch on both walls. If you weren't sitting in the seats that were nearest to the other couch directly across from the tv, the viewing angles were pretty bad, my fiancee even used the word blurry. There was some definite cross-talk and ghosting going on too. The screen was also extremely reflective. We have a Panasonic plasma and it was much more reflective.

We returned it and are hoping the pn58c8000 we got for about $500 more is worth it. The combination of 2d to 3d conversion, an extra 11 inches, 4 shrek 3d blurays, and better pq should offset the $500 and additional couple bucks I'd save on an energy bill each month.

By the way, it was interesting to see them refund us $1310 after tax, and then put a "reduced price" sticker of $3350 on the tv.

I bought the C8000 because it was the best tv with 2d to 3d conversion.

Notice how the PQ top 5 hdtvs are plasmas...
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/?...ody;revCatWrap

Here's the overall top 10... The top 2 are still plasmas
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-high-de...ent;contentNav

Interesting...the 3rd place TV in the overall rankings is a Vizio LED

Those can be purchased significantly lower than retail at places like Walmart and Costco...and typically hundreds lower than a Samsung of equal features

Sounds like you got a heck of a price on the 9500...I have seen 8500's for that price...but not the 9500

And to add to that...sounds like you got the C8000 for $1500 to 1600...with the 3D bundle

I paid that...and thought I got a great deal back in November...and didn't get the 3D bundle


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Anyone thinking about buying... This is the best bundle price I have seen yet on this...

PN58C7000 for just $1599 with Shrek 3d kit and bluray player

https://www.paulstv.com/Plasma-Telev...-PN58C7000.asp
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And to add to that...sounds like you got the C8000 for $1500 to 1600...with the 3D bundle

I got the PN58C8000 bundle for $1999...
Now that I have found the PN58C7000 for $400 less at $1599, it makes me pretty mad but since I live in Arizona and there are 6 windows that beam down on my tv I really do need the real black filter. Other thing is it would technically be $1760 for the PN58C7000 because Paul's TV charges tax to AZ and CA.

Warren, what did you do as far as calibration and would you do anything differently?
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What do you mean by break in your set slowly? My set comes in next week and I want to make sure I break it in slowly.

What are some good setting to have it on for the first 100 hours? I plan on using the cnet settings after the first 100 hours. I am going to break it in with slides while I sleep and/or while I am at work.

Also if I am having a friend come over within the first 100 hours to watch a movie, can I put it on the cnet settings and then switch back after he leaves?

i did cell light 10, contrast 30, brightness 50, sharpness 20, black filter low, ever feature set to off. also made sure all content filled screen. i didnt do any of this on first set and it was the worst. i would say putting settings up for a couple hours when your buddy comes over wouldnt hurt. i also ran the white scrolling bar every other day for an hour.
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just picked up a 50c7000. how do i check my manufacture date and firm version?

thanks
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My sister has a 6 month old 50C7000 that I helped her select and set up. It has performed flawlessly; great PQ, no buzz. Unfortunately, her 7 year old son threw a toy car at it and now it has a small crack in the glass screen. Can glass screen be replaced or repaired? Or will Samsung replace TV under one year manufacturers warranty? The crack would not be that noticeable but the TV displays a big white circle to highlight the area of damage. Still making payments on a damaged TV. How do you reach mgmt level customer service at Samsung? What should we do?
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My sister has a 6 month old 50C7000 that I helped her select and set up. It has performed flawlessly; great PQ, no buzz. Unfortunately, her 7 year old son threw a toy car at it and now it has a small crack in the glass screen. Can glass screen be replaced or repaired? Or will Samsung replace TV under one year manufacturers warranty? The crack would not be that noticeable but the TV displays a big white circle to highlight the area of damage. Still making payments on a damaged TV. How do you reach mgmt level customer service at Samsung? What should we do?

My guess is that it won't be covered under manufacturer's warranty because getting a toy car thrown at it shouldn't be covered under a manufacturer's warranty. Manufacturer's warranties usually cover things that aren't caused by misuse.
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My sister has a 6 month old 50C7000 that I helped her select and set up. It has performed flawlessly; great PQ, no buzz. Unfortunately, her 7 year old son threw a toy car at it and now it has a small crack in the glass screen. Can glass screen be replaced or repaired? Or will Samsung replace TV under one year manufacturers warranty? The crack would not be that noticeable but the TV displays a big white circle to highlight the area of damage. Still making payments on a damaged TV. How do you reach mgmt level customer service at Samsung? What should we do?

Your screwed. You can get the set fixed. But it's going to cost you a ton of money. You'd be better of just getting the set all over again.
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just picked up a 50c7000. how do i check my manufacture date and firm version?

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manufacture date is on the back of the TV
Firmware version can be seen by looking in the Network connections menu
If the TV needs an upgrade it will prompt you...but it also show the firmware version the TV currently has


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Your screwed. You can get the set fixed. But it's going to cost you a ton of money. You'd be better of just getting the set all over again.

Yikes..I agree with that one you are pretty much going to have to look at it or buy a new TV

She might be able to claim it on her homeowner's insurance?

Its a stretch...but worth a call


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My sister has a 6 month old 50C7000 that I helped her select and set up. It has performed flawlessly; great PQ, no buzz. Unfortunately, her 7 year old son threw a toy car at it and now it has a small crack in the glass screen. Can glass screen be replaced or repaired? Or will Samsung replace TV under one year manufacturers warranty? The crack would not be that noticeable but the TV displays a big white circle to highlight the area of damage. Still making payments on a damaged TV. How do you reach mgmt level customer service at Samsung? What should we do?

ouch.......that hurts just reading that. i have an 8 year old handicapped special needs child. he has been known to send things flying around. broke a lcd screen last year. i am always worrying. i think your screwed with the warranty through samsung. best buy warranty doesnt even cover physical damage.
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I got the PN58C8000 bundle for $1999...
Now that I have found the PN58C7000 for $400 less at $1599, it makes me pretty mad but since I live in Arizona and there are 6 windows that beam down on my tv I really do need the real black filter. Other thing is it would technically be $1760 for the PN58C7000 because Paul's TV charges tax to AZ and CA.

Warren, what did you do as far as calibration and would you do anything differently?

I have not had the TV professionally calibrated
I use the movie mode...with some tweaked settings and the TV looks great to me
I bought the TV for $1547( delivered)...it was an "open box" online item
No bundled items. I bought 3 pairs of glasses( including Monsters vs Aliens) and the Samsung player with 2 HDMI outputs for about $400

When the Tv arrived I could not ever tell it had been out of the box...excluding the fact that the remote had batteries installed in it already

I had an older Samsung plasma....the 5884...and like you I have windows at one end of my family room and it created some pretty bad glare at certain times of the day

This TV is WAY better at glare reduction than the older TV
In fact this TV is better in every way than the 3 year old I had..and I paid at least 25% less for the C8000 than I did for the 5884


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Know we're out of luck on this and not happy. Probably costs too much to replace glass vs purchase new TV. Although I like plasma, I'm thinking LCD/LED may be safer, more childproof option here. Are these screens glass as well? I know some LEDs are, but I don't think all LCDs are. Now considering Sammy 55C630, Sony 55EX500, Sammy UN55C6300, or LG 55LE5300. Or if stay with plasma, for $1499 should we get a new 50C7000 or put it towards a new 50D6500 with the one more inch of screen?
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Know we're out of luck on this and not happy. Probably costs too much to replace glass vs purchase new TV. Although I like plasma, I'm thinking LCD/LED may be safer, more childproof option here. Are these screens glass as well? I know some LEDs are, but I don't think all LCDs are. Now considering Sammy 55C630, Sony 55EX500, Sammy UN55C6300, or LG 55LE5300. Or if stay with plasma, for $1499 should we get a new 50C7000 or put it towards a new 50D6500 with the one more inch of screen?

Unless you live somewhere where Paul's TV taxes. Why not spend an extra 100 bucks and get the pn58c7000 for $1599 delivered with shrek bundle kit and bluray player?

The 50D6500 won't come out for another few months and who knows how much it is going to cost.
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Know we're out of luck on this and not happy. Probably costs too much to replace glass vs purchase new TV. Although I like plasma, I'm thinking LCD/LED may be safer, more childproof option here. Are these screens glass as well? I know some LEDs are, but I don't think all LCDs are. Now considering Sammy 55C630, Sony 55EX500, Sammy UN55C6300, or LG 55LE5300. Or if stay with plasma, for $1499 should we get a new 50C7000 or put it towards a new 50D6500 with the one more inch of screen?


Honestly its probably 6 of one and half a dozen of the other
An LCD screen will probably be more break or crack resistant...however its going to scratch easier

I have a friend who had a similar situations to yours a couple of years ago where his wife stepped away for a bit...meanwhile his two boys though they would play "etch a sketch" on the TV.....put several serious scratches on the panel

Could you claim this on your homeowner's insurance?


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