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My PN58C8000 just arrived. Nice television with great black levels. However, the 2010 model still buzzzzzzzzzssss. There is just no way around it I guess. My LG PK750 also creates a buzzing sound. I would get a Panasonic, but I prefer Samsung's PQ. Panasonic also does not have anything comparable at this time in this size.

thanks for your review, if you can please write more about the set ...
can you post some pictures to ? thank you ..

It seems that some users are not regarding the fact that in store lightning can afect the sets performance - especially plasmas .... Store ligtning does not reproduces your home lightining ...
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I contacted Samsung via live chat and was informed that if a customer accesses the service menu it voids your warranty.
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How exactly would they know if you ever accessed the service menu?
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Don't calibrators need to access the service menu?
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I contacted Samsung via live chat and was informed that if a customer accesses the service menu it voids your warranty.

Well what did you expect they would tell you?
This is a standard reply.
If anything went wrong with your set the first thing you would do is reverse
any changes and "keep mum" about it.
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My PN58C8000 just arrived. Nice television with great black levels. However, the 2010 model still buzzzzzzzzzssss. There is just no way around it I guess. My LG PK750 also creates a buzzing sound. I would get a Panasonic, but I prefer Samsung's PQ. Panasonic also does not have anything comparable at this time in this size.

Can you please tell me if the base / stand of your PN58C8000 black or silver? Thanks!
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I'm debating whether to return my un55c8000 and get the pn58c8000. Any advice? I love the pq on the LED but I do have clouding and have struggled with the settings. Anyone know what the amazon return policy is on tvs? I thought it was 30 days.
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How exactly would they know if you ever accessed the service menu?

Not sure. I dont think they have anyway to really check this unless they went in and saw that you had changed the model or if your view time was reset
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Don't calibrators need to access the service menu?

This was actually a question i asked. According to the rep i spoke with, only authorized samsung service techs are allowed to enter the service menu.
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Well what did you expect they would tell you?
This is a standard reply.
If anything went wrong with your set the first thing you would do is reverse
any changes and "keep mum" about it.

Yeah, i understand that. I do worry about your view hours being reset on the TV though when you make these changes. i guess you could just say you dont know anything about that and they really couldnt prove anything.

I just know that i dont want something to happen and the 5 year extended warranty i bought is useless.
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Well it seems like every retailer is getting the 58C8000's in, hopefully Crutchfield will follow suit.. Can anyone post Day and Night viewing pictures of their set.


I talked to my Crutchfield guy today and he's showing that the pn58c8000 is scheduled to be in their warehouse April 30th. He did say it could be a day or two earlier or later though, depending on how well things go.
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Well guys, I picked up a PN58C6400 here in Canada. Got it from East Hamilton Radio yesterday. I could have got the 6400 yesterday or waited until Friday for the 8000.

My reasoning is that I don't really care much about 3D, I am not a fan of seeing them in the theater, and I dont really care about wearing glasses on my face while I watch TV or a movie.

Another reason is that the 6400 was only $2450, and the 8000 is going to run about $3600 when they come in on friday. $1000 for a feature I am not going to really use doesnt make much sense to me.

I really like the set. Yes it does have a minor buzz, but its just the capacitors doing their thing. I will get used to it, im sure.

I am coming from using a LN52A650, had it for 2 years, great TV. Getting used to a plasma might take a little while. But I think the overall image quality is much better than the LCD.

If anyone has any questions let me know, I will post a full review later.
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Well guys, I picked up a PN58C6400 here in Canada. Got it from East Hamilton Radio yesterday. I could have got the 6400 yesterday or waited until Friday for the 8000.

My reasoning is that I don't really care much about 3D, I am not a fan of seeing them in the theater, and I dont really care about wearing glasses on my face while I watch TV or a movie.

Another reason is that the 6400 was only $2450, and the 8000 is going to run about $3600 when they come in on friday. $1000 for a feature I am not going to really use doesnt make much sense to me.

I really like the set. Yes it does have a minor buzz, but its just the capacitors doing their thing. I will get used to it, im sure.

I am coming from using a LN52A650, had it for 2 years, great TV. Getting used to a plasma might take a little while. But I think the overall image quality is much better than the LCD.

If anyone has any questions let me know, I will post a full review later.

Check if you can change the model to C7000 or C8000 in the service menu.
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I'm debating whether to return my un55c8000 and get the pn58c8000. Any advice? I love the pq on the LED but I do have clouding and have struggled with the settings.

I would, plasma is still better in overall picture quality
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Well, my thoughts on the 50" from a number of stores and conditions vs. Panny...... (I ordered the 58" Sammy - see below and PM me for deal if you want)

Panasonic vs. Samsung.

Wow this is really hard. I think, in the end, both will be great. Samsung wins in form factor by far - the WAF is 100% buy it NOW When I saw the 3D under GOOD conditions SAME MOVIE both were amazing.....

But seeing the Samsung in 3D MODE in BAD conditions (50" BB, non magnolia) there was so much ghosting - painful.

Sounds like the Panasonic is more "out of the box" easy to get good 3D. The Samsung takes more work from teh official threads and seems like bright light will ruin the 3D effect.

Under low light I pulled the HDMI out of each of them. They were both nearly black. I could tell the Panny was better after staring at them. At the same time, I love my well tuned Mits DLP (TI ver 4) and the black and contrast are so much better that it is staggering. So in some ways we are all arguing over the "best" but this is so good..... kinda makes me care more about usability, HDMI-CEC, form factor than 1/2 as black as near black

Finally, the GLARE seemed so little on the Samsung I am confused what people are talking about. I saw it first in BB, middle of store, ENORMOUS lights. No problem.

Actually a major retail/online in Chicago with a great Rep has incredible pre-order prices (shipping in the next few weeks) on the PLASMA 54 and 58"+Blue-ray (high end one) + 2 glasses. THIS IS NOT for price discussion. If people want to PM me fine. I had to pay tax (no shipping of course from this place) since I live in Chicago.

Buying big items I WANT to get it from a good place.
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The PN50C6500 will be in Crutchfield and OneCall next Wed. Price is $1450. I assume this is the C7000 panel without 3D. I am starting to lean toward this unit as I fear the 3D inclusion on the 7000 hurts the 2D performance.
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I am so damn confused lol how can the C7000/C8000 be viewed so diffrently between people. One person says picture is amazing excellent black levels. Next post will be someone saying how bad and washed out the picture is lol. Everytime i decide and have my mind made up on the pn63c8000 over the panny 65vt25 someone posts how bad and washed out the picture is. I have seen the panny in person that looked great. have not been able to see the samsung yet. Someone please make some sense !!lol
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Well guys, I picked up a PN58C6400 here in Canada. Got it from East Hamilton Radio yesterday. I could have got the 6400 yesterday or waited until Friday for the 8000.

My reasoning is that I don't really care much about 3D, I am not a fan of seeing them in the theater, and I dont really care about wearing glasses on my face while I watch TV or a movie.

Another reason is that the 6400 was only $2450, and the 8000 is going to run about $3600 when they come in on friday. $1000 for a feature I am not going to really use doesnt make much sense to me.

I really like the set. Yes it does have a minor buzz, but its just the capacitors doing their thing. I will get used to it, im sure.

I am coming from using a LN52A650, had it for 2 years, great TV. Getting used to a plasma might take a little while. But I think the overall image quality is much better than the LCD.

If anyone has any questions let me know, I will post a full review later.

6400 is a Canada-only model? Looking forward to your review. Any info on the cinema smooth in particular would be interesting.
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The PN50C6500 will be in Crutchfield and OneCall next Wed. Price is $1450. I assume this is the C7000 panel without 3D. I am starting to lean toward this unit as I fear the 3D inclusion on the 7000 hurts the 2D performance.

Fingers crossed that it can achieve blacks at least as good as the 09 B series.
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Only 3D settings on the BDPlayer is the size of the TV.

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I've had my pn50c7000 for a little over a week now (delivered on 4/12), and I have to say that it's been fantastic. I got it to replace a pn50b860 I bought in January that decided to stop working after a month and half. While I loved the PQ of my 860, I have to say that thus far the PQ and black level of the c7000 have been just as good if not better than my 860. Of course, I'm no expert, but after reading these forums for a while I've been scrutinizing every little detail, and I've been really happy with what I've seen. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to test out the 3d since I didn't get the blu-ray or glasses.
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Check if you can change the model to C7000 or C8000 in the service menu.

Yes you can change it from the PC6400 in the service menu to the PC6500 as well as the PC7000 and the PC8000.

I changed it to the PC8000, rebooted, and I got no options for the REAL BLACK option as well as any 3D options.
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So its been a couple more days of playing with all the settings, and 3D isn't any better. I went to my local BB today and looked at their 3D LED setup just to make sure I knew what it was supposed to look like. It looked fine, not the same weird crossed eyed feeling at home.

Just to make sure, I checked their cables. They were not 1.4, just some plain 1.3's. For the heck of it, I bought a Audioquest "forest" $50 HDMI cable. With my new cable in hand I connected the player to HDMI1 and started the movie. No change in PQ. Guess I can rule out the expensive cables .

I've made sure the firmware is updated on the TV and the Player, and don't know whats wrong. Tomorrow, I'm going to swap the BDPlayer out and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, I might return the TV if they have more in stock.

Do you think its worth a call to Samsung?

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So its been a couple more days of playing with all the settings, and 3D isn't any better. I went to my local BB today and looked at their 3D LED setup just to make sure I knew what it was supposed to look like. It looked fine, not the same weird crossed eyed feeling at home.

Just to make sure, I checked their cables. They were not 1.4, just some plain 1.3's. For the heck of it, I bought a Audioquest "forest" $50 HDMI cable. With my new cable in hand I connected the player to HDMI1 and started the movie. No change in PQ. Guess I can rule out the expensive cables .

I've made sure the firmware is updated on the TV and the Player, and don't know whats wrong. Tomorrow, I'm going to swap the BDPlayer out and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, I might return the TV if they have more in stock.

Do you think its worth a call to Samsung?


Or do you think I should try taking the glasses to BB and ruling those out?

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I would, plasma is still better in overall picture quality

I have a very bright room. Is the c8000 plasma bright enough? I haven't seen one in person. Also does it have as much glare as the LED c8000. My glare is significant and worse than my 4 year old panny plasma.
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Or do you think I should try taking the glasses to BB and ruling those out?

IF you can, bring the glasses as a first, least hassle way to rule it out.

Then exchange the BD player.

THEN the tv.


Something doesn't sound right. Did you say if the 2d to 3d conversion works on normal programming / movies? If it does, then I'd prob say it's the player.

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IF you can, bring the glasses as a first, least hassle way to rule it out.

Then exchange the BD player.

THEN the tv.


Something doesn't sound right. Did you say if the 2d to 3d conversion works on normal programming / movies? If it does, then I'd prob say it's the player.

The 2D\\3D conversion seems Ok. I'll update later, off to BB to exchange the player, and will take glasses too.

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It's worth repeating: are you sure you didn't accidentally invert the left and right images in the "3D Picture Correction" setting? Having this orientation backwards will totally screw up the 3D picture.
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Has anyone seen any c8000 reviews anywhere?

Also can people start posting some pics of the c8000 please?

I am curious how the glare is handled by these sets. I am very concerned considering I have a sky light that shines down in my living room.

Thanks!!!
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