Originally Posted by Rino13
The TV i thought i had targeted was the pn63c8000. Went to BB today to look around, asked the sales person if they had a pnxxc7000 or 8000 on display that i can see. He tells me not yet. Of course I walk around and i see it sitting on a display out in the middle of the store.(gotta love the best buy guys lol ) It had a samsung demo looping on it not in 3D. I have to tell you I was so disapointed how bad it looked. I have no idea how it was set up, but man it looked so bad. Picture washed out, blacks looked grey.Tried to access the menu but it was locked for some reason. Had the sales guy get the remote still couldnt access the menu he said the samsung rep might of locked up the menu so people dont mess with the settings. But judging from what I saw there not sure why he would want to lock those settings. I was soooooooooo disapointed. Went back to look at the Panny VT20 i had him put it on 2d and i have to tell that picture looked awsome. Now they also had pn58b860 on display and that tv looked great. Could the new samsung plasmas went backwards ??? I really want to know what settings that Samsung TV was on. Back to the drawing board cause now i really dont know what to get. I was gonna go with the samsung cause of the 2d to 3d conversion. But if the picture gonna be that inferior to a panny 65VT25 gonna have to sacrifice that. any feedback on what i saw today ?..I am really poed. I am hoping that tv i saw was just adjusted wrong or something was wrong with it.
I wouldn't be to swayed by what you see on the floor at Best Buy.
First, it had obviously just been set up since the sales person didn't even know they had it on the floor.
Second, the menu was locked and you have no idea how it was set up. It might have been a defective set that somebody hadn't had the time to deal with yet.
Third, the lighting in the Best Buys I've seen is hardly conducive for making critical judgments about any particular sets suitability for home viewing.
And fourth, there have been quite a few excellent reviews of these sets by folks who have them in their homes.
I think it's important for folks who seem to get upset about such things, that they slow down, take some time to wait for the sets to be out for a while, and then make an informed decision based on multiple reviews by actual owners, maybe a few reviews by professional reviewers, and multiple trips to local retailers where they can spend some time twiddling with each set to find out exactly how it responds to twiddling.
For those who just can't wait, it seems to me that we've gotten enough information at this point to make an informed guess at which set might work best for us. Buy from somebody with a good return policy and then relax, spend some time reading the downloadable .pdf manual while you wait, and then have fun when your new set arrives.
If you spend any time reading the Panasonic threads you will see that folks who have gotten those sets are reporting just as many (if not more) issues as we are seeing with the Samsung sets. Buzzing, floating blacks, rising black levels, sets not turning on....... etc.
If having the absolutely lowest black level is a deal breaker, then I suggest folks look at something other than this series of Samsung sets. All reports that I've read to this point seem to indicate that the black levels of these sets are not as low as the Panasonic sets.
I had a PN50C7000 briefly and found the picture to be gorgeous. My Blu-ray player hadn't arrived yet, so I only had a chance to check out network TV. However, I got to watch a bit of 1080i broadcast material and the level of detail was excellent, and the black levels (with a 75 watt bulb set up as bias lighting) looked fantastic.
Unfortunately the unit was defective out of the box, something having to do with the touch buttons on the TV itself being stuck, which caused it to change sources randomly, overlay the menu, and occasionally turn off.
So, I've boxed it up and am patiently waiting for a new one to arrive. I had the opportunity to get a full refund and get any other set I wanted, but after seeing how beautiful the picture was I decided I wanted this one, again.
By the way, my set was absolutely silent..... I mean no hint of a buzz even with my ear next to it. I unplugged the fridge and listened closely. It also seemed to run quite cool. The back never got even close to warm, even over the vents. I ran some setup slides and checked the screen, very uniform and no dead pixels. Oh well.
So, for those of you who are agonizing over whether these sets will be the ones to make your dreams come true....... I honestly suggest waiting and letting the dust settle before buying anything. That way you can be a bit more sure of getting exactly the set you want.
For the rest of you, I say go ahead and jump in, the water's fine...... just make sure your retailer has a good return policy for the occasional DOA.
Just my 4 cents worth