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Hey all,

I am about to buy a new Plasma. The companies are still pretty weak on their specs on many 2010 models.

I am really interested in 24fps, but am having a difficult time with finding any that do this.

I am looking at Pana G25, Sammy C540 or C6400, and LG PK550.

Any suggestions on the 24fps thing? If none of these do it what does. I really don't want to pay for a 3D model.
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I know for sure the Sammy will, I have last years model and it does 24 fps.

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they all support 24hz

Panasonic gets really bad flickering when using it though
Samsung's black levels go to complete garbage(at least they did last year)
LG I have no idea as I've never owned an LG tv but people say it works very well
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In all honesty how essential is the 24fps? I mean i've been watching movies on my Panasonics from 2004, and they don't have 24fps.. I'll be monkey's uncle if I've ever been able to tell notice any missing frames. Is it really nescessary?
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Hey all,
I am about to buy a new Plasma. The companies are still pretty weak on their specs on many 2010 models.

I am really interested in 24fps, but am having a difficult time with finding any that do this.

I am looking at Pana G25, Sammy C540 or C6400, and LG PK550.

Any suggestions on the 24fps thing? If none of these do it what does. I really don't want to pay for a 3D model.

According to my research, this is the rundown:
G25 - does 2:2 pulldown, 48 Hz which many people find flickery
C540 - no 24p (Cinema Smooth), but the 590 has it (at 4:4)
C6400 - assuming it is like the C6500, no 24p (which is baffling)
PK550 - does 3:3 pulldown, 72 Hz, same as the Pioneers

To get 96Hz, I believe you need to get a VT or a C8000 [or C590, as stated above]

All in all, disappointing.
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According to my research, this is the rundown:
G25 - does 2:2 pulldown, 48 Hz which many people find flickery
C540 - no 24p (Cinema Smooth), but the 590 has it
C6400 - assuming it is like the C6500, no 24p (which is baffling)
PK550 - does 3:3 pulldown, 72 Hz, same as the Pioneers

To get 96Hz, I believe you need to get a VT or a C8000.

All in all, disappointing.

You state that the C540 does not do 24p, how is it that my B540 does? I don't think that they would not carry that feature over.

I can post pics if needed for proof.

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You state that the C540 does not do 24p, how is it that my B540 does? I don't think that they would not carry that feature over.

I can post pics if needed for proof.

the c540
like the b540 does have cinema smooth but you have to adjust the service ment to get it(and even then it's unusable IMO cuz it makes already mediocre black levels even worse)
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I don't have cinema smooth turned on, at least I don't think I do.

I can't read Korean at all, but when I play either my BD or HD player the TV displays 24 fps, compared to the 60 during regular cable viewing.

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It might be telling you the source feed rather than what it's doing. Actually that is probably the case if it says 24fps because fps means frame-rate, not frequency i.e. hz.
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It might be telling you the source feed rather than what it's doing. Actually that is probably the case if it says 24fps because fps means frame-rate, not frequency i.e. hz.

If the source is 24p, and if the TV could not display 24p, I would not be able to watch any movies than. Or am I wrong?

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You state that the C540 does not do 24p, how is it that my B540 does? I don't think that they would not carry that feature over.

I can post pics if needed for proof.

I totally believe you; it appears that they have removed it for the C540, though, and force you to get the C590 if you want it. Even more strange, it seems to be missing from the C7000 (us version anyway). I would love to be proven wrong on this.
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the c540
like the b540 does have cinema smooth but you have to adjust the service ment to get it(and even then it's unusable IMO cuz it makes already mediocre black levels even worse)

yes, this is true, but out of the box, the answer is no. According to Vorhese, Sammy told him that accessing the service menu voids your warranty, so some might not want to do this.
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If the source is 24p, and if the TV could not display 24p, I would not be able to watch any movies than. Or am I wrong?

If you feed it 24p I believe it will just do 3:2 pulldown to get 60Hz. You can have your BD player do that as well.
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This is really sad. It seems plasma is saving all their goodies for 3D plasmas. I especially would have thought stepping up from the C540 to the C6400 would have done it. What is the big difference then if there is one PQ wise. I was also pretty sure that last years B5XX series didn't do 24p, but that is beside the point. I have always said I would never buy an LG - saw way too many get returned with defects, but I am feeling like the PK550 is looking pretty decent. Don't know if I can make the jump though. I would really like to find something similar to last years B850, but Samsung doesn't seem to have anything. What the heck is going on this year!?
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I am looking at getting a new HDTV some time, don't know when though. This year probably.

I was originally looking at a 40" Samsung LCD, but after doing extensive research on the new LCDs and Plasma's I have come to the conclusion that I want a Plasma, I love watching movies and Plasmas are the way to go in that department.

Anyway, I have been looking at two different 50" plasmas. The LG 50PK550 and the Samsung PN50C590. The LG is $1098 here while the Samsung is $1399. (All in Canadian dollars)

It seems like the LG 50PK550 is a great tv with excellent value for money. Reviews are mostly favorable, though some are negative which is to be expected, people like the picture quality, the colors, black levels etc. I haven't seen any real reviews on the Samsung PN50C590, but the thing that worries me about the Samsung is the Cinema Smooth, someone told me on here that is was fixed, but it seems like the majority of people are saying it isn't. So essentially it has a 24p mode but it is broken. (If it is indeed not fixed) The 24p mode on the LG is working perfectly according to reviews. The black levels on the LG are supposed to be excellent as well.

Coming from a LCD I'm sure I would be blown away by any Plasma. Picking a new TV is a nightmare sometimes.
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I am looking at getting a new HDTV some time, don't know when though. This year probably.

I was originally looking at a 40" Samsung LCD, but after doing extensive research on the new LCDs and Plasma's I have come to the conclusion that I want a Plasma, I love watching movies and Plasmas are the way to go in that department.

Anyway, I have been looking at two different 50" plasmas. The LG 50PK550 and the Samsung PN50C590. The LG is $1098 here while the Samsung is $1399. (All in Canadian dollars)

It seems like the LG 50PK550 is a great tv with excellent value for money. Reviews are mostly favorable, though some are negative which is to be expected, people like the picture quality, the colors, black levels etc. I haven't seen any real reviews on the Samsung PN50C590, but the thing that worries me about the Samsung is the Cinema Smooth, someone told me on here that is was fixed, but it seems like the majority of people are saying it isn't. So essentially it has a 24p mode but it is broken. (If it is indeed not fixed) The 24p mode on the LG is working perfectly according to reviews. The black levels on the LG are supposed to be excellent as well.

Coming from a LCD I'm sure I would be blown away by any Plasma. Picking a new TV is a nightmare sometimes.

honestly I'd get the 50pk550

The biggest problem it has that it's like amirror
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honestly I'd get the 50pk550

The biggest problem it has that it's like amirror

I take it you have one?

If you do, how's the black levels?
How's the 24p mode?
How is the picture quality? The colors?
How does motion, fast and slow look? (I never really seen fast motion in action on Plasmas, mainly because I don't have one and just look at them in stores sometimes)

The LG 50PK550 just seems like an excellent value and the price is right.
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I take it you have one?

If you do, how's the black levels?
How's the 24p mode?
How is the picture quality? The colors?
How does motion, fast and slow look? (I never really seen fast motion in action on Plasmas, mainly because I don't have one and just look at them in stores sometimes)

The LG 50PK550 just seems like an excellent value and the price is right.

I don't have one

I'm probably going to buy one tomorrow

I bought a c750 LCD that's going back.
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the LG 50PK550 doe NOT have 24p mode. LP 50PK750 does.

None of the Panasonic models have it, except for their top tier line which is 2 grand and over.

I've heard with plasmas them motion is so good that 24p mode is hard to be noticed. I do not know myself.
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the LG 50PK550 doe NOT have 24p mode. LP 50PK750 does.

None of the Panasonic models have it, except for their top tier line which is 2 grand and over.

I've heard with plasmas them motion is so good that 24p mode is hard to be noticed. I do not know myself.

According to the Cleveland plasma review the pk550 does have 24p support and handles it very well.


Also panasonic's g10/g25 do...... But it is 48hz and flickers like mad
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I have the Samsung B850

It handles 24p as a 850 and when I changed it to the 860

Picture quality is fine but I dont see much difference.

The biggest problem I have and read that others too have experienced the same problem is

When 24p is engaged on BD player and cinema smooth is on.........the lip sync is pathetic. I have to turn up the delay on my reciever very high just to try to correct it.

note: HDMI running to receiver then to TV

If anyone has found a fix for this......please let me know thks.
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I might just bring in a bluray to check out on these TV's. What is the hot scene(s) these days for checking for judder during panning and also checking contasts and black levels.

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PS - is there any other anti LG people like me that are finding the 550 a good option, but affraid to go down that road.
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PS - is there any other anti LG people like me that are finding the 550 a good option, but affraid to go down that road.

I would totally go down that road if only the 550 had internet services. Why anti-LG?
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When 24p is engaged on BD player and cinema smooth is on.........the lip sync is pathetic. I have to turn up the delay on my reciever very high just to try to correct it.

note: HDMI running to receiver then to TV

If anyone has found a fix for this......please let me know thks.

Isn't the delay fix from your AVR sufficient?
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The Pioneers' Film Mode correctly does 1080p/24 @ 72hz using 3:3 pulldown, and I honestly think it looks overly smooth. I have it turned off. 96hz would probably drive me up the wall.
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The Pioneers' Film Mode correctly does 1080p/24 @ 72hz using 3:3 pulldown, and I honestly think it looks overly smooth.

you know, I was thinking that too when watching BSG bluray the other day, but I leave it like it is because that's how it's supposed to be seen I guess
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Americans are used to 3:2 pulldown. That's why 24p looks smoother that 60Hz TV. PAL countries have had 1:1 (25p at 50Hz) for quite a while, albeit slightly faster playback.

I'm not sure why people think 24p at either 48, 72, or 96Hz looks "weird". I can definitely tell the difference between 1:1 and 3:2 - it looks much better - more realistic motion.

As long as it isn't mixing frames (interpolation), you're getting an image much closer to the theatrical experience.
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I would totally go down that road if only the 550 had internet services. Why anti-LG?

I am anti LG because I used to sell all TV's for 6 years at a major electronics store and never saw so many deffective sets right out of the box. Also we rarely had any tV's come in damaged during shipping, BUT tons of LG's. Also after the fact I have seen so many come back during and after manufactor warranty. Their other HT products like DVD and bluray players always seem to be a ticking time bomb. I think their LCD's or pretty bad too, but have always found their plasmas to be decent in PQ, just not reliable. So I am having a hard time getting past that, but if my movies are going to look the most filmic on there I might have to cave in.
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I don't have one

I'm probably going to buy one tomorrow

I bought a c750 LCD that's going back.

I would really like to know what was wrong in your opinion of the c750. I need a 2nd TV to back up the plasma. I was looking at the c750 because of the history of past models.

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