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I'm debating which TV to get. I currently have a 42" LG60 and am wanting something better for blu ray - particularly shadow detail and black level. I'm the noob that went in to buy my current TV, saw BB's "calibrated" vs "non-calibrated" examples and wanted the non-calibrated image. I've learned since then, and now find most of the images BB displays quite replusive. I've done my own calibrations on the current TV and it looks pretty good, but it's time for bigger and better... I apologize for being the noob here, but I really need the help and come here for legit answers from people who know far more than me.

I watch a large amount of sports and blu-ray. 58" is the largest my better half will allow us to get, so I'm limited and cannot go 65" . I will have the TV professionally ISF calibrated (not by BB, obviously). I want the best END PICTURE possible. While I may not notice some flaws, I don't want my videophile friends walking away saying "it looks pretty good, but..."

That said: Which TV do I get between these two? From what I've found, the calibrated image is fairly similar between the two. The main difference seems to be 24p playback. I'm running a single HDMI feed into my TV from a Denon AVR590 receiver, which is receiving a HDMI feed from a Samsung BD-P1500 (and other things, but my main concern is the blu ray playback). This outputs at 1080/24p. I've heard that a decent blu-ray player will essentially do a progressive scan which can minimize the jutter and hitching of the s1's "24p" playback with 3:2 pulldown @60Hz. I don't know how accurate this is.

Bottom line: with my setup, how noticeable will the differences in image quality and film accuracy be between the two TV's? I can get the s1 for a really good deal and the V10 for a fair amount more (I can't find one currently for as good of a deal looking at % off regular price). Both are within my price range, although if the differences are detectable only w/ equipment but not the naked eye, I'd rather save the money and go S1. Thoughts and opinions please?!?
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the sweet taste of saving some money will wear out much quicker than knowing that you chose the better of the two sets. V10 would be my vote if you only are chosing between those two.


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When the Panasonic 58 V25 becomes available soon, you might be able to get a really good price on the 58 V10. If you can check the sound quality of each from its built-in speakers, that might help you, unless you are going to use HT for sound all the time.

I agree with the poster who says that given your knowledge base, you are probably better off with the V10 for the extra 25 cents a day.
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Thanks for the quick responses - Are there any other plasmas I'm missing for about the same price that might be better? How long until the V25's come out?

I'm not concerned about speakers - all my audio goes through the HT.
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You should be able to get a better price for the 58V10 if you buy online. Check out Cleveland Plasma with the ad near the top of the page. You know the old saying: You gotta shop around.
If you're a little anal about picture quality and watch your TV in a dark room you're better off with the V10. That is if the black level threads have you freaked out. If not, save some bucks with the S1.

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First of all welcome to the forum. As I'm sure you've noticed there's a ton of info here. Ive owned the 58 S1 for 5 months now and vie been very happy with it. Prior to this I owned an 06 Panny and I found the S1 to be a significant upgrade in every way

So out of the box the S1 has a green push in the grey scale. Luckily this can be dialed out via the service menu either by you or a certified tech. There are a ton of settings available in the S1 owners thread so if you get the S1 be sure to check that out. I haven't seen the V10 in a home environment but I think the biggest difference between the sets from a videophiles percpective are the available presets (THX) and picture adjustment options. I've read calibrators say that the warm color temperature on the S1 has a pretty accurate greyscale once calibrated but your stuck with the color decoding which could be better on the S1. It's not something I notice but it's good to know the possible issues. I'm not positive this is something you can adjust on the V10 but people seem to be very happy with THX mode for movie watching. I don't have this option

As far as black levels I don't think you'll see much of a difference. I'm sure you've read about the rising blacks and in that thread there are a ton of measurements on all of the 12g models. The variations were more dependent on screen size and not on model. The 58" 12g Pannys start at around .005 ftl and end up at .012 ftl judging by the graph available in the aforementioned thread. That said I'm very happy with my S1s black levels.

The last major difference I believe as you mentioned is the support for even cadence on 24p material. I actually send the content from blu-Ray movies to my S1 in the native format and let the S1 do the pull down. I honestly don't notice the kidder and believe it's overblown. But there is support for it for a reason and only you can decide how much your willing to pay for it

In summary, if you want the best of the best for last years model the V10 is the way to go. That being said, the S1 is an amazing value and can equal the V10 in the areas that I find important. And I also agree with the previous poster about getting them cheaper. I got my set for the same price you are being quoted 5 months ago

I hope I was of some help
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So out of the box the S1 has a green push in the grey scale. Luckily this can be dialed out via the service menu either by you or a certified tech. There are a ton of settings available in the S1 owners thread so if you get the S1 be sure to check that out. I haven't seen the V10 in a home environment but I think the biggest difference between the sets from a videophiles percpective are the available presets (THX) and picture adjustment options. I've read calibrators say that the warm color temperature on the S1 has a pretty accurate greyscale once calibrated but your stuck with the color decoding which could be better on the S1. It's not something I notice but it's good to know the possible issues. I'm not positive this is something you can adjust on the V10 but people seem to be very happy with THX mode for movie watching. I don't have this option

Does anybody know if the THX mode calibrates to a better image than what the S1 is capable of?
How noticeable is the 24p hitching? I ask because BB doesn't let me play w/ video settings enough to be able to test it there, and they don't have either of these models in - neither does anybody else around. I'd have to be ordering whatever I decide to get.
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Does anybody know if the THX mode calibrates to a better image than what the S1 is capable of?
How noticeable is the 24p hitching? I ask because BB doesn't let me play w/ video settings enough to be able to test it there, and they don't have either of these models in - neither does anybody else around. I'd have to be ordering whatever I decide to get.

I think my decision ultimately boils down to 24p, and I have to rely on what others think since I don't have any stores locally where I can go compare it and see the difference for myself.

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I think my decision ultimately boils down to 24p, and I have to rely on what others think since I don't have any stores locally where I can go compare it and see the difference for myself.

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I know you probably want someone elses opinion at this point but since no one is chiming in I can expand on 3:2 pulldown. Maybe it's because ive been watching 60 hz displays at home my whole life but i can say for certain I don't notice judder. Maybe it's obvious on the credits but I usually shut the movie off at that point. Obviously your seeing the 24p support on most LCD's now but that is due to their awful handling of motion. As of now plasma is the best in this department regardless of the refresh rate

That being said, it doesn't mean YOU won't notice it. There are many folks here that do so maybe doing a search on the topic would be helpful. Also, it might give you some insight if you could find a store that would let you demo the feature even if its not the same models.
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I love my 58v10. I can't say that I notice a huge difference in 24p or 32 pulldown, but I have it on 24p all the time for blu-ray.

You can get one for under 2k right now from vann's and I'm sure some other places. That is crazy cheap for this tv. Unless a 58s1 saves you 6 or 7 hundred I would (and did) opt for the v10.
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Unless a 58s1 saves you 6 or 7 hundred I would (and did) opt for the v10.

But see it currently does.. check prices on the 58S1. At that point you could get a 65S1 for $200 more than what you paid for the 58V10.
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After using my PK550 with proper 24p playback, I would never buy a TV that doesn't properly support it.
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