Originally Posted by dandaroy
You see, the problem is that I understand there is no perfect TV.
Right now, I have the 52b750.
Nice TV. Almost bought one once.
I love the picture, but motion artifacts bother me especially some motion smear that happens on certain circumstances, but I do see it several occasions when I watch a movie. Also hockey looks bad.
What settings are you using with AMP, if any at all? One of the presets or custom? How about when you are watching movies?
I have got a exchange offer from BB, but I am debating what I should do. I definitely do not want to get another TV and realize it is harder to live with than this one. If the motion smear was not present with b750, I would be fine.
Could you be a little more specific in describing exactly what this motion smear consists of?
The following issues bother me about LEDs
1. Flashlighting / clouding (I know this would bug me as much as the motion smear)
Well, the B8500 locally-dimmed doesn't really have issues with flashlighting. Mine had zero, and I don't hear anyone else that owns an 8500 complaining about flashlights. It is possible to see some clouding on an 8500, however. Some people (a minority?) say they see clouding (but not all the time, only on certain scenes), and some claim they don't see any at all, except for perhaps when switching inputs. Sometimes they show up more noticeably after the panel heats up, after you have had it on for a while. Settings will have some effect, either exacerbating or minimizing it, and there is simply a variance in panels. Sometimes it's simply the luck of the draw. Some people luck out and get panels with no clouding, others are not so fortunate. People say that the precision dimming which is used on the C6800 and C8000 models seems to help with eliminating or at least minimizing flashlighting. I can say that I have seen pretty annoying flashlighting on the C7000 model in the store. But when I turned the backlight down to a more reasonable level it helped. It still didn't go away fully. Turning down the backlight only made it better, so the flashlighting was not as blatant.
2. I am not confident that I would not have some or the same motion issues with a LED.
That all depends on the settings. For movies, if you are seeing all kinds of artifacts, you should go into AMP 'Custom' and turn the judder setting all the way down to zero. Try a blur setting of 7-8. If you still are bothered by artifacts after setting blur no higher than 7-8, and judder at zero, then there is a problem. Are these movies you are watching over cable/sat, or via Blu ray? That could make a difference.
With plasma the things I am worried about):
2. If the picture is going to have the same sharpness as the high end LCD/LEDs (I have seen the VT series and seems like it will, but the c8000 seemed a bit softer, but I can't be sure since I was not able to play with the settings much)
I found the 2009 Samsung plasmas to be plenty sharp, but then I am not up to speed on the 2010s yet. It was the 2009 Pannys that seemed a bit softer to me. I suppose a plasma might not look as sharp if you are very close to the screen, but from regular viewing distances this should not be an issue. Don't forget that size is a factor. The larger the size of the display the less sharp it will appear given the same distance, because the pixels will be larger. After all, 1080p = 2.1 million pixels (6 million sub-pixels), and if you must squeeze 2 million pixels in a 20 inch puter moniter, the pixels and the spacing between pixels will have to be a lot smaller than on say a 58 inch display. So 50 inch plasmas tend to look sharper than say a 65 inch plasma from the same distance. Artifacts in the signal are more easily noticeable the larger the screen as well. So just make sure when you are evaluating the sharpness of displays, that you are comparing similar sized models, to make it fair. Don't compare a 63 inch C8000 to a 50 inch VT25 and expect the same sharpness, or vice versa.
3. If they will lose all the pop and deep blacks in a not so dim room during daytime.
This is inevitable. The blacks will lighten up on any plasma if you have two windows in front of your display. The B750 LCD will look much blacker during the day, and so would any Samsung LED. With the blinds closed it will be closer, but the LCD or LED should still look deeper, because you said that even with the blinds closed light still manages to fill the room. This is how it is in my living room.
4. Banding & flicker (I have only read about them, but have not experienced it to know if it will be bothersome).
Don't have much to say here, except that this is a possibility, and I can't say whether or not you are the type that will be sensitive to these possible issues or not.
I am leaning towards a 54vt25 or a c8000 plasma, but I am still quite uncertain.
Both of those will have nice blacks in the dark, and no flashlighting, clouding or off-axis issues. Since you said much of your viewing will be in the evening after dark, you should probably give either of these a shot.
About LEDs if I knew any model that would be solid in terms of motion performance I would not have an issue.
If you were not happy with the motion on the B750, which if I remember correctly made use of a high-end 240hz 2ms panel, I wouldn't hold out much hope that the motion on an LED would work any better. I had no issues with motion on my B8500, so it really depends on what settings you were using. It's all about the settings on Samsung's AMP. If they are not optimal, the motion will look totally whacked. With judder on zero, and blur on 7-10, the motion should like fine.
I should also point out that CNET pointed out that with their C8000 LED test sample, with judder turned down all the way to zero, it still employed some smoothing, and did not leave the proper 24p film cadence. If true, this is a big no-no. Samsung just couldn't leave well enough alone. It worked just fine last year. If one turned the judder down to zero, you would get the exact same cadence as a plasma, including the blurriness on slow pans. There was no smoothing introduced from frame interpolation, just simple repeating of frames.