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"Secondly, the reps at these things are idiots. If you really want to know something you have to trap one of their engineers in the corner of a strip club half drunk and see if he is willing to talk about a new driving system for these panels".

Funniest thing I have read on here in a while, you made me laugh out loud at my desk.
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Bring on the 65" VT30. I'm in when it arrives.

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Room aesthetics and wife approval factor are also considerations. Also, the type of content you watch plays in. someone who watches a lot of CNN does not want a five foot tall anchor head sitting a few feet from their nose;

The fact that you "cant imagine" why people don't want what you want says a lot though.

The acreen itself is 2-1/2 ft high so the anchor might be 2' at best not 5'. Also it's hidden behind sliding walnut panels in a cabinet so the aesthetics are great.
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The acreen itself is 2-1/2 ft high so the anchor might be 2' at best not 5'. Also it's hidden behind sliding walnut panels in a cabinet so the aesthetics are great.

I'm pretty sure jmpage2 was over exaggerating when he was talking about the height of the anchor, no need to get all technical about it. Also, not everyone has the same aesthetic environment as you do, which I believe is the point jmpage2 was trying to make. What works best for you may not always work best for someone else.

I share the sentiment jmpage2 expressed in the last sentence of his post...

Anyway these new Panasonics look pretty nice but I'm secretly hoping that the improvements aren't too significant since I just picked up a G20. Selfish, I know.
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Although the new pannys may be slightly different, what are the dimensions (ht and width) on the 65". I may make a cut out to check on the size for my location.
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I'm pretty sure jmpage2 was over exaggerating when he was talking about the height of the anchor, no need to get all technical about it. Also, not everyone has the same aesthetic environment as you do, which I believe is the point jmpage2 was trying to make. What works best for you may not always work best for someone else.

I share the sentiment jmpage2 expressed in the last sentence of his post...

Anyway these new Panasonics look pretty nice but I'm secretly hoping that the improvements aren't too significant since I just picked up a G20. Selfish, I know.

Lol. Like people never get 'all technical' in the AVS forums!

As for screen size, at 55" you've already got a 4' x 2-1/2' TV affecting the room aesthetics anyway, so the 60" and 65" plasmas, which are 19% and 39% larger in screen area respectively, will not increase the impact that much in my opinion. (Sorry - getting technical again).

But, yes, of course it's all matter of personal taste.
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Although the new pannys may be slightly different, what are the dimensions (ht and width) on the 65". I may make a cut out to check on the size for my location.

37"h x 61"w without stand (screen is 32 x 57")
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Lol. Like people never get 'all technical' in the AVS forums!

As for screen size, at 55" you've already got a 4' x 2-1/2' TV affecting the room aesthetics anyway, so the 60" and 65" plasmas, which are 19% and 39% larger in screen area respectively, will not increase the impact that much in my opinion. (Sorry - getting technical again).

But, yes, of course it's all matter of personal taste.

There's nothing wrong with getting technical when the context calls for it but sarcastically responding to a comment that is clearly hyperbolic rhetoric in an overly technical manner is a little lowbrow, in my humble opinion.

For some people even a 55" TV is too large. In your first comment you made it sound like anyone who is satisfied with anything smaller than 60" has something wrong with their brain.

Anyway, I'm glad that your TV suits your needs. I'm sure it is a very nice set.
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So are the high end models gonna to compare to the Kuro this year?
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So are the high end models gonna to compare to the Kuro this year?

If Panasonic can fix their black level issues and the numbers being tossed around here hold up then they will be close but still not there. Of course just having great blacks doesn't mean that gamma, grayscale linearity, and color will also be as good as the Kuro.

The 101 is soooo very nice!!!
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Would someone mind describing the issue that the 2010 Panasonics have displaying 24p material that I have seen referenced in this thread? I did a search and the threads I found did not seem to be conclusive about an issue.
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Would someone mind describing the issue that the 2010 Panasonics have displaying 24p material that I have seen referenced in this thread? I did a search and the threads I found did not seem to be conclusive about an issue.

The main thread where the false contouring issue is discussed is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1264097

Applies only to Panasonic VT types with 96Hz mode.

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The main thread where the false contouring issue is discussed is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1264097

Applies only to Panasonic VT types with 96Hz mode.

Thank you!
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Would someone mind describing the issue that the 2010 Panasonics have displaying 24p material that I have seen referenced in this thread? I did a search and the threads I found did not seem to be conclusive about an issue.

The issue is not the 24P but the use of the 24P with a low refresh rate. The low end models have a refresh rate too low (48 Hz) or not a multiple of 24 (60 Hz) and causes some motion flickering. The high end models use 96Hz , multiple of 24, and don't show the same flickering. Most people use the 60Hz refresh rate and turn off the 24P to avoid the problem .

To better understand it, change your PC monitor refresh rate to 48Hz and see what happens.

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The issue is not the 24P but the use of the 24P with a low refresh rate. The low end models have a refresh rate too low (48 Hz) or not a multiple of 24 (60 Hz) and causes some motion flickering. The high end models use 96Hz , multiple of 24, and don't show the same flickering. Most people use the 60Hz refresh rate and turn off the 24P to avoid the problem .

To better understand it, change your PC monitor refresh rate to 48Hz and see what happens.

Understood. I was wondering if there was an actual issue with TV itself. Since 96 Hz is just a frame multiplication of 24, I couldn't understand why there would be any issues with it.
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The issue is not the 24P but the use of the 24P with a low refresh rate. The low end models have a refresh rate too low (48 Hz) or not a multiple of 24 (60 Hz) and causes some motion flickering. The high end models use 96Hz , multiple of 24, and don't show the same flickering. Most people use the 60Hz refresh rate and turn off the 24P to avoid the problem .

To better understand it, change your PC monitor refresh rate to 48Hz and see what happens.

No there is a issue with 24p and 96 Hz. see the thread i made above. with 24p and 48 Hz you do not have as much contouring. Flicker makes it unwatchable though.
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For those who thought Darth Vader would announce something about the new Panasonic plasmas, it was just the Star Wars saga in Blu-Ray.

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So are the high end models gonna to compare to the Kuro this year?

No, probably still a factor of 5 to 10 away from the Kuro 101/500M in black level, and that is if they have fixed the rising blacks issue. Maybe in 2012 or 2013.

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No there is a issue with 24p and 96 Hz. see the thread i made above. with 24p and 48 Hz you do not have as much contouring. Flicker makes it unwatchable though.

My 65V10 process 24P flawlessly at 96 Hz. Professional reviews show the same. The 24P doesn't please everybody, though. Some people prefers the smooth soap opera picture. Which display do you have ? I will take a look tonight and see if I notice any "contouring" but to my eyes the picture has been almost perfect. I only use the THX mode and I remember seeing some posts suggesting the game mode process the picture differently. Which mode do you use ?

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it was just the Star Wars saga in Blu-Ray.


...and let me guess... Lucas'-I've-gone-mad-so-I'll-make-the-films-worse versions? Rather than the originals?
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...and let me guess... Lucas'-I've-gone-mad-so-I'll-make-the-films-worse versions? Rather than the originals?

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ie: The stupid new versions of the original three films where Lucas decided to put lots of CGI creatures in tripping over? Or to add scenes and new music in that don't work as well as the original.

Anyway, we are off topic
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Is CES today open only to journalists? I'm anxious to hear first impressions of people who've had a chance to see the image of the new plasmas, like last year's dark-room comparison of blacks between the 2009 V10 and the 2010 VT25.
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No, probably still a factor of 5 to 10 away from the Kuro 101/500M in black level, and that is if they have fixed the rising blacks issue. Maybe in 2012 or 2013.

What do you think the VT30 MLL is?

If we take .002 fL (which is a fair guess I think), it would be a factor of 4 away from the 101/500m (.0005) and a factor of 2 from the rest of the 9G's (.001).

Of course, if the MLL is identical to the VT25, then it really would be almost an order of magnitude higher than the 500m/101.
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ie: The stupid new versions of the original three films where Lucas decided to put lots of CGI creatures in tripping over? Or to add scenes and new music in that don't work as well as the original.

Anyway, we are off topic

For years Lucas has said the origional theatrical releases will never again see the light of day. Nothing I have seen says this release will be any different.

The last time the origional theatrical releases were issued in any quality format was on Laser Disc. I don't think they ever made it to DVD. You may be able to find them on Super VHS but I've never seen it. Just rumors about it.

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No more 58", we'll loose 3".

or gain 2 with the 60
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Interesting tweets from Katzmaier.

- No info yet from panny on whether mll rise, floating black issues have changed on 2011 models. But Kuro cell tech was not used on vt30, fwiw

- Panny gt30 and st30 do indeed use the same panel. Only pq diff is THX. Vt30's panel is different/better, but cr and mll still not disclosed.

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or gain 2 with the 60

Not unless you choose another company, as of now, panny is only releasing a 65" or 55" in the VT series.
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No. The S series was available last year in March, not the VT series.

Actually, the S series was a little before that, it was ~20 Feb. While the VT25 didn't arrive until ~25 May, the 50VT20 (BB exclusive) did arrive in March, ~15 March, that is.
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Interesting tweets from Katzmaier.

- No info yet from panny on whether mll rise, floating black issues have changed on 2011 models. But Kuro cell tech was not used on vt30, fwiw

- Panny gt30 and st30 do indeed use the same panel. Only pq diff is THX. Vt30's panel is different/better, but cr and mll still not disclosed.

http://twitter.com/katzmaiercnet

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